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The Little Death posted:The yellow slug rebel was great. It reminded me of the cold open of a Rick and Morty episode in a good way.
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Jul 14, 2020 15:45
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2house2fly posted:Surely it isn't the most derided Star Wars movie any more. I mean, episode 9 has only been out like 7 months, but... Episode 9 is clearly the worst Star War, but it's a Disney Star War which makes it disposable in the same way an Ant Man or a Doctor Strange movie is. Good or bad, AoTC struck with people in a way that blockbusters rarely do anymore.
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Jul 14, 2020 16:22
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punishedkissinger posted:yeah Attack of the Clones has at least some interesting elements even if its a mess with serious pacing issues. was there anything good in Skywalker at all? The visuals, and to a far, far, FAR lesser extent than other films, the music, because even if it's ill-fitting and nonsensical, it's still John Williams
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Jul 14, 2020 16:43
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Detective No. 27 posted:Episode 9 is clearly the worst Star War, but it's a Disney Star War which makes it disposable in the same way an Ant Man or a Doctor Strange movie is. I think a big part of it is that it's got the big clones vs droids battle scenes, which the franchise doesn't really have any direct equivalent to, and makes a great launching point for every imaginable war story. (see seen in the various Clone Wars cartoons) And it also has Anakin and Padme's hilariously bad romantic scenes.
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Jul 14, 2020 17:08
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It's a perfect case study in the difference between the Lucas and Disney films. Even if you think AotC was a terrible movie, it still created new storytelling opportunities and a whole universe of interesting things to be your mental (or if your a kid actual) playground. Conversely the Sequels didn't just fail to do that, they outright did the opposite. Every sequel shut down any possible tangent or direction for people to take the universe. Everything is closed off and pre-determined. TFA alone destroyed the ability to tell any story of consequence after RotJ. The Mandalorian only squeaks past by being set more or less outside the universe and being extremely small scale.
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Jul 14, 2020 17:14
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Ghost Leviathan posted:AoTC goes Boom Absolutely. AoTC is when the prequel EU got cool. Books, comics, games, and everything else set in the PT was suddenly really good. Much of that same PT media surrounding TPM was really blaaahh at the time and decidedly uncool. All of that definitely started with the big rear end ground battle and the sudden ridiculously high stakes. I liked IX. I was entertained, and the packed theater at the debut was loud and appreciative (as are the audience ratings) so I feel like Disney had 'something' more there than people may think. After VIII being so good, I appreciated IX being so big, dumb, and watchable. And since its not the purported end of the whole franchise like ROTS was at the time, I'm willing to be way more patient with some wank. Maybe the next one will be better? 
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Jul 14, 2020 18:28
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AOTC has much more modern pacing and Tpm is still kind of stuck in interminable speilbergian scenes which modern audiences can’t really take
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Jul 14, 2020 18:35
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I'd love more stories set early on in the 19-year gap between RotS and ANH Also want more Obi-Wan and Anakin during the ten years between TPM and AotC - the one comic mini-series we got eons ago was great
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Jul 14, 2020 18:39
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Definitely wishing for more star wars. That's my no. 1 request
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Jul 14, 2020 18:42
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Hux's "I'M THE SPY" was at least fun. That's one of the things that makes TLJ a decent film in isolation but a terrible middle part of a trilogy. After Hux gets treated as comic relief right the way through TLJ he's not a credible villain anymore, so he has to be replaced by Not-Hux (although I think Grant nails what JJ was looking for originally - there's the sneering superiority that the Imperial Officers had mixed with just a hint of fervent belief, but he's never spitting or shouting).
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Jul 14, 2020 18:47
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Hugo Weaving was an early rumor for Hux (along with possibly Benedict Cumberbatch and Michael Fassbender), but I think that Domhnall Gleeson is a better fit for the motif of kids playing with their parents' toys that's running through TFA.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:01
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Robot Style posted:Hugo Weaving was an early rumor for Hux (along with possibly Benedict Cumberbatch and Michael Fassbender), but I think that Domhnall Gleeson is a better fit for the motif of kids playing with their parents' toys that's running through TFA. Yeah, I think the TFA performance is perfectly valid and Gleeson does exactly what is asked of him, it's just that there's tons of inconsistency throughout the trilogy as to what that character is supposed to be. (I also think all of the performances compare unfavourably against the dispassionate evil of the Imperial officers in the OT, who contrast nicely with the emotional/cackling evil of Vader/The Emperor). e: \/\/ okay, perhaps 'professionally evil' is the right word. Tarkin is the most obviously evil but he doesn't take any glee in blowing up Alderaan, he does it because he wants to make a point and he just doesn't care about the innocent deaths. In Empire and Return all we really see of the Imperial Navy is the kind of behaviour you'd expect to see in any professional military, they're just tiptoeing around this psychopath who keeps strangling people. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Jul 14, 2020 19:21
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The officers in the ot are not all dispassionately evil and are humanized on some occasions
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Jul 14, 2020 19:22
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Alchenar posted:That's one of the things that makes TLJ a decent film in isolation but a terrible middle part of a trilogy. After Hux gets treated as comic relief right the way through TLJ he's not a credible villain anymore, so he has to be replaced by Not-Hux (although I think Grant nails what JJ was looking for originally - there's the sneering superiority that the Imperial Officers had mixed with just a hint of fervent belief, but he's never spitting or shouting). I remember the captain of the dreadnought at the start had that perfect sneer right when it's blowing up, but that whole sequence is brought down by how it makes zero sense in the context of the rest of the movie, because we all know the problems it has with stakes. Alchenar posted:Yeah, I think the TFA performance is perfectly valid and Gleeson does exactly what is asked of him, it's just that there's tons of inconsistency throughout the trilogy as to what that character is supposed to be. That's not really a unique problem with the trilogy's characters, mind.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:29
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I remember the captain of the dreadnought at the start had that perfect sneer right when it's blowing up, but that whole sequence is brought down by how it makes zero sense in the context of the rest of the movie, because we all know the problems it has with stakes. Mark Lewis Jones is also a good actor. I do not understand why the Dreadnought is lit like a submarine. They lit it up as a submarine. Why? e: they also have submarine periscopes. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Jul 14, 2020 19:40
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To differentiate it from the other ship.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:41
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I still think the resistance should have been fighting the republic. All of the First Order and Sheevcorp ships have massive dong cannons I don't get why that was the recurring thing
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Jul 14, 2020 19:42
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If this trilogy were a tent, it would blow away.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:48
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punishedkissinger posted:yeah Attack of the Clones has at least some interesting elements even if its a mess with serious pacing issues Just clip out the frolicking scene in the meadow by the waterfalls. That improves the whole movie by more than you'd expect.
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Jul 14, 2020 19:55
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mllaneza posted:Just clip out the frolicking scene in the meadow by the waterfalls. That improves the whole movie by more than you'd expect. And truncate the thread of Anakin's political thought?
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Jul 14, 2020 19:57
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Ingmar terdman posted:All of the First Order and Sheevcorp ships have massive dong cannons I don't get why that was the recurring thing It's tradition for Star Wars Remember how Artoo keeps jacking into any open port he can find?
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Which version tho
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Detective No. 27 posted:Episode 9 is clearly the worst Star War, but it's a Disney Star War which makes it disposable in the same way an Ant Man or a Doctor Strange movie is. I don't know, I feel like the first Ant-Man movie had a lot of good qualities, like interesting fight scenes where the characters actually use their powers and a divorced dad who doe snot get back together with his ex-wife. And Doctor Strange felt like a movie where the filmmakers wanted to go weirder but were constrained by Marvel (and it later came out in interviews that that's true). There's much blander and boringer Marvel movies to choose for these comparisons.
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Jul 14, 2020 22:59
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I am thoroughly unsurprised that new shows take place in interesting periods of Star Wars history avoiding the larger socio-political situation because boy howdy did the sequel films poo poo up using anything post RotJ
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Jul 15, 2020 07:15
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It's really amazing that the MCU was apparently more coherently planned out- and it's pretty clear how much they were making poo poo up as they went along- than the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
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Jul 15, 2020 07:20
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Even just the basic decision of telling everyone "Hey, the big villain we're building up to is Thanos, everyone got that?" showed more planning than the sequel trilogy had.
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Blood Boils posted:Which version tho
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's really amazing that the MCU was apparently more coherently planned out- and it's pretty clear how much they were making poo poo up as they went along- than the Star Wars sequel trilogy. They took a lot more time to do it though. And they cheat a bit - the vast majority of the MCU films have no connection to each other, other than an odd line of dialogue and an occasional cameo. Iron Man is 2008, The Avengers is 2012, Then Age of Ultron 2015, they've been setting up Thanos and the Infinity Stones since The Avengers but only in a way that doesn't commit them to anything other than 'there's a macguffin and a bad guy' for eight years, then only with Civil War in 2016 does Phase 3 start a rapid arch of actually connected films that lead up to a finale. It is very well done, but they had the advantage of being able to spend almost a decade pumping out films based largely on pre-existing material in order to find out what audiences liked. e: it is interesting that Disney tried to replicate this in Star Wars, but it didn't work and audiences rapidly got exhausted of the Spin Off films. Notwithstanding the popularity of the TV-Series.
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And even then, what little they do establish about Thanos in the teasers before his big appearance is basically disregarded. 'To fight them is to court death' or whatever.
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Pretty good posted:"23 years after release", so the bad one. Wasn't ESB probably the least edited of the three movies though (aside from reshooting the Palpatine scene with Ian McDiarmid in place of the original actor which I'm personally fine with and changing Boba Fett's voice to match the prequels which I'm less fine with)? Unless there's something I'm forgetting that is. Larryb fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Jul 15, 2020 |
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Jul 15, 2020 10:13
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SNOKE was the best, I want a SNOKE trilogy. maybe two, one to explain what he was doing before TFA, then a second trilogy composed of TFA from SNOKE's pov, a whole movie of what SNOKE was doing between tfa and tlj, and then finally TLJ from SNOKE's pov SNOKE SNOKE SNOKE SNOKE
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Jul 15, 2020 10:18
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Vim Fuego posted:SNOKE was the best, I want a SNOKE trilogy. maybe two, one to explain what he was doing before TFA, then a second trilogy composed of TFA from SNOKE's pov, a whole movie of what SNOKE was doing between tfa and tlj, and then finally TLJ from SNOKE's pov SNOKE: Did you say "Snoke?"
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Jul 15, 2020 10:25
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Snoke and Sheev, just hangin' out in the spooky Sith arena.
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Jul 15, 2020 10:47
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Larryb posted:Wasn't ESB probably the least edited of the three movies though (aside from reshooting the Palpatine scene with Ian McDiarmid in place of the original actor which I'm personally fine with and changing Boba Fett's voice to match the prequels which I'm less fine with)? Unless there's something I'm forgetting that is.
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Jul 15, 2020 10:54
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Having established Force Projection is a thing in TLJ, they could have least have made it so that Snoke was always actually Palpatine puppeteering the body from afar rather than some undefined creation of incredible power. Because if you can just clone up incredibly powerful dark side users at will then it's really important not to think about the implications of that at all
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Jul 15, 2020 12:44
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I think that Disney thought they could adapt Star Wars like they did Marvel, but it was a mistake to think so. The Marvel movies actually rely on the fact that most of the characters being used had more or less fallen out of popular imagination before being brought back, and that they came from comic books. The listicle generation industry that the Marvel movies created was part of what helped fuel hype for later films, and relied on mining the much less well known source material for clues as to what this version of the characters might do/face. They almost had a map layed out for them ahead of time, and it was easy to find new characters to exploit for b-tier movies to keep the hype going. With star Wars, they explicitly threw out all the EU stuff. The EU material was different than old marvel canon because the pretense is that it is all one universe. Unlike with comic books, where reboots are common and people accept the idea that movies are about the archetypal characters in a new setting, with Star Wars everything has to fit within continuity if you leave it in canon. So they jetissoned all the extra garbage to make handling the setting easier, but that only left them with the bounds of the original trilogy as existing canon. And disney cannot think outside of the bounds of the media properties they acquire. Disney stays within canon to keep brand integrity, which leaves them nowhere to go with Star Wars. Teasing speculation hooks doesn't work in a trilogy that are supposed to be tightly woven direct sequels to one another, instead of just loosely following the arc the comics set previously, with audiences . and the side movies all have to referrence beloved characters who's story arcs are already played out, in time periods after when these origin movies will be set. Dynamics to work with just aren't the same and that's where they flubbed it. (I think the Mandalorian and the high republic stuff is them realizing they need to move away from this idea with star wars)
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Vim Fuego posted:SNOKE was the best, I want a SNOKE trilogy. maybe two, one to explain what he was doing before TFA, then a second trilogy composed of TFA from SNOKE's pov, a whole movie of what SNOKE was doing between tfa and tlj, and then finally TLJ from SNOKE's pov Snoke? Snoke?! SNOOOOOOOOOOOOOKE
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Hrngh. Colonel. I'm trying to lead the First Order. But I'm dummy tall.
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