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FlamingLiberal posted:It's been awhile since I've watched the movie, but isn't there some implication that the meteor that wipes out Buenos Aires was random and not an actual attack as well? everyone knows buenos aires was an inside job
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The biggest hint we're losing the fight with the bugs: they never actually specify anything in that final propaganda reel, they just say "we got the brain bug, now we're gonna learn their secrets", tells you to join up, says we need soldiers, shows our protagonists as the now fully-fascist propaganda figures they have become, and tells you they'll keep fighting, won't you? and then it's credits. The whole last tiny bit is Earth screaming that they're not owned, taking a tiny victory and spinning the entire war on it, while begging for people to join up, reminding them service equals citizenship, and pretending the tide has turned when they managed to take one planet. Even within the fictional movie, they have no other victories to crow over. The planet's hosed.
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Seams posted:I always got the sense that the purpose of the war in the movie wasn’t to win or lose in any meaningful sense, but just to keep going. iirc that was basically how it was presented in the book, which is much closer to a direct analogy for the middle east forever wars
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Seams posted:I always got the sense that the purpose of the war in the movie wasn’t to win or lose in any meaningful sense, but just to keep going. it's...it's this guys. Like, we're absolutely 'losing' the war but the deeper point is 'win' and 'lose' mean nothing to the people actually in charge. Rico literally gives the exact same speech he got to the kids coming in, it...it's a cycle, guys. It's not that deep of a story. Also yea no poo poo the guy's lying about having magic powers, he explicitly does nothing but say that a wild animal they shot and shoved in a net is 'scared'.
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The bugs have no (or limited) FTL capabilities but somehow launch a rock from near Klendathu to hit Buenos Aires (noticeably: not London, Hong Kong, NYC or Washington DC) with pinpoint accuracy, through earths' defense grid. They only do it once, instead of peppering the planet with stones. Earth responds with a recruitment drive and offensive, rather than doubling down on defense. Propaganda goes into full swing and teenagers start signing up for service straight out of school. Buenos Aires was an inside job.
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If you believe the federation in the movie to be analogous to the Nazis then you can assume that they're losing from our historical context. The age of the recruits in the reinforcements backs this up, as does the bugs with their superior numbers and ostensibly more primitive technology (the Russians in the analogy). I do think the war is depicted more as a seemingly endless one though, which fits better as an analogy for contemporary conflicts and as criticism of fascism / the military-industrial complex.
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sexpig by night posted:it's...it's this guys. Like, we're absolutely 'losing' the war but the deeper point is 'win' and 'lose' mean nothing to the people actually in charge. Rico literally gives the exact same speech he got to the kids coming in, it...it's a cycle, guys. It's not that deep of a story. honestly baffled that any adult could watch the movie and miss this.
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Starship troopers owns and I like it more than robocop
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https://twitter.com/ElBartoArmy/status/1283115888489766912?s=20
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Lambert posted:Did no one read the actual book? Jesus Chroist. Did you? The book and the movie are... very different animals. No skinnies, no power armor, a lot of the names are the same and it's about an interstellar war... but yeah.
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hooman posted:Did you? The book and the movie are... very different animals. I watched the amazing Predestination movie, also by Heinlein, decided to finally read some of his work and the short story it was based on was pretty goofy. also a lot of his books seem to be extremely horny.
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hooman posted:Did you? The book and the movie are... very different animals. i just read on the wiki page that aasif mandvi (from the daily show) criticized the casting of casper van dien as johnny rico as “whitewashing” the book character’s filipino heritage lol
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littleorv posted:Starship troopers owns and I like it more than robocop it owned when i was a dumb teenager who enjoyed the mindless violence and the titty scene, and it owns even more now knowing what the film symbolizes and satirizes I don't see how it's a Germany in the last days when the Red Army is bearing down on Berlin, it seems more like just a hyper-charged version of Iraq. The meteor wasn't sent by the bugs, that was just a coincidence that was hopped on (Earth's incompetent defense system against the asteroids, compare that with America's incompetent intelligence apparatus that completely failed to act to prevent 9/11) to drum up a reason to go on a war for conquest. Are we sure Verhoeven didn't travel back in time to before Iraq to write the movie? Shipon fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jul 15, 2020 |
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GORKA IS BACK BABY   Bring back James Adomian for Calls from Gorka part..4? 5?
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I was six or seven when Starship Troopers was released in theaters and for some reason I was convinced it was going to be the greatest movie of all time. I’m not sure where I would have seen previews for it, if it ran commercials on Nickelodeon or how I got so into it. I had a little Johnny Rico action figure with his huge chunky battle rifle. My personality at this point was probably very “fancy lad” as all I had done since my parents split up was read books and play video games. A lot of that historic fiction and young adult fiction tends to glorify war and my fascination with a USAF Thunderbirds VHS made me want to join the Air Force and fly fighter jets. Then I saw Starship Troopers. My mom covered my eyes in the shower scenes, which were novel for me but I don’t think I’d even sniffed puberty yet. We made it through the gruesome basic training where a guys head explodes from friendly fire and I started to feel sick. It’s still hilarious and very 90’s that my mom made sure to cover my eyes for the titties but let me watch all of the violence until I couldn’t stomach it. Then the first horrifying bug attack, where our heroes are massively outgunned and are impaled. The space force is wildly naive and gets horribly blown up. Then I remember getting to the planetary assault and seeing the fire bug gore and limbs melting and I couldn’t make it any further. Time to cry and/or throw up. I started causing a scene and made my mom take me out of the theater. That’s the only movie I’ve ever walked out of, and it was a long and embarrassing walk out of the theater past every single person. To this day the feelings of shame, cowardice, fear, and sexual curiosity are all still vivid and I think I owe that movie credit for showing a kid how gross and stupid and horrifyingly biological warfare is. Chapo mentioned how joyless and non heroic the action scenes are, how erotic yet sterile the shower scene is, and I could never explain it that way as a kid but it definitely hosed me up. Probably irresponsible of my parents to bring little kids to that movie, but oh well. Great episode, great movie, I’m doing my part. space uncle fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Jul 15, 2020 |
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crepeface posted:I watched the amazing Predestination movie, also by Heinlein, decided to finally read some of his work and the short story it was based on was pretty goofy. also a lot of his books seem to be extremely horny. Yes, Heinlan certainly had some "views" on women and sex. Looking at you "A stranger in a strange land".
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The scene where the guy gets his head blown off during training basically scarred me as a kid. Didn't have a problem with all the dismemberment and stuff but for whatever reason that bit freaked me out.
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The training death is hosed up because it's in what's supposed to be a pretty safe sequence and the guy is instantly killed in a very realistic way. Like it's not even over the top violent, the guy's head just suddenly has a chunk blown out of it and he's gone.
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Trying to compare the book to the film in earnest means you definitely don't get the film. Also wasn't Sullivan like the first person to publicly call Weiss an "unhinged Zionist"? Why do we think they would work together just because they are both lovely?
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Show me the lie
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I now I realise I had conflated these two into the same person.
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they're both irredeemable narcissists who thrive on negative attention?
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Lambert posted:Did no one read the actual book? Jesus Chroist. Verhoven didn't
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Bust Rodd posted:Also wasn't Sullivan like the first person to publicly call Weiss an "unhinged Zionist"? Why do we think they would work together just because they are both lovely? Yeah which is why the new project is going to end in a supernova of hilarious drama. 
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The rear end-blaster bugs are starship poopers.
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Pharmaskittle posted:The training death is hosed up because it's in what's supposed to be a pretty safe sequence and the guy is instantly killed in a very realistic way. Like it's not even over the top violent, the guy's head just suddenly has a chunk blown out of it and he's gone. Yeah. That scene is one of the reasons I haven't given it a rewatch in forever.
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Bust Rodd posted:Trying to compare the book to the film in earnest means you definitely don't get the film. Guarantee that they're going for a "team of rivals" vibe, where the fact that they hate each other is supposed to lend credibility to their output. They'll tell us that they represent the full spectrum of intellectual thought, with Shapiro on the right and Sullivan on the left and Weiss as the beleaguered centrist who rises above it all. God willing, we'll get a few reading series segments out of it l.
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yorkinshire posted:The rear end-blaster bugs are starship poopers. I still love the Tremor series. https://youtu.be/yH6ZMqPqGg8
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T. Bombastus posted:I'm sure Weiss can get Sullivan onboard once she explains that the Palestinian has evolved to prefer a position of servitude. I’m so sick of the loving team of rivals thing (not the way you’re using it) that Libs fetishize. Lincoln picked people that he ran against, not people from the other party. Like if Bernie won and put Warren in charge of going after Wall Street and Klobuchar in charge of beating the staff, THAT would be a team of rivals, not reaching out to GWB and being happy that Cheney is ‘on your side’.
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Digital Jedi posted:I still love the Tremor series. The first one is a classic and I have a lot of nostalgia for the 2nd and 3rd. https://youtu.be/KNoyStVjWFE
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yorkinshire posted:The first one is a classic and I have a lot of nostalgia for the 2nd and 3rd. The pan over to MORE GUNS always makes me laugh my rear end off. Also I love the transition from the dropped gun to a miniature of the dropped gun as it pans over to the monster. If you haven’t, check out the RLM re:view of it.
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The North Tower posted:I’m so sick of the loving team of rivals thing (not the way you’re using it) that Libs fetishize. Lincoln picked people that he ran against, not people from the other party. Like if Bernie won and put Warren in charge of going after Wall Street and Klobuchar in charge of beating the staff, THAT would be a team of rivals, not reaching out to GWB and being happy that Cheney is ‘on your side’. The fact that the author herself misudnerstood the point of he rown book will never cese to amuse me.
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MonsieurChoc posted:The fact that the author herself misudnerstood the point of he rown book will never cese to amuse me. Chapo's said it before, but Liberals can't identify their enemies. Conservatives know who they're against. Socialist know who they're against. Liberals think that everyone is a potential friend if they say the right magic words.
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someone dug up a video of Matt wherein he talks about how he hates tradcaths and thinks the world would be a better place if they were all dead. the tradcaths are very agitated. half of them are very mad at him, the other half are praying for his soul.
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space uncle posted:
I saw a trailer for Starship Troopers before another movie, maybe Men in Black or Mars Attacks? one of my favorite movies at the time was Aliens, so my parents immediately knew they weren't getting out of me seeing it. I was one of the kids that saw some of his first titties in the shower scene. one of my friends went with me and my dad, and the intensity of the violence in the movie was definitely beyond anything we'd seen before. the biggest effect it had on my friend and I was agreeing with my father that we wouldn't tell either of our mothers about the movie lol It mostly just worked as a straight forward action film for me the first time, the propaganda parts worked as propaganda on young me.
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