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BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Moey posted:

Anyone run an iSCSI or NFS VMFS datastore at home?

Ironing out my home storage upgrade, and was thinking about going with a NAS and serving up some all flash storage for VMs + some SMB large spinning disks for regular shared file storage.

I am working in a small network cabinet that has 13" of depth from the front of the rails to the back.

For off the shelf I am thinking a QNAP TS-932X.

For whitebox, I can figure out the hardware, but unsure what OS would be best to serve up the VMFS datastores.

Any thoughts?

I would investigate which manefacturer is working on implementing NFSv4.2 because it has sparse file support, IO_ADVISE, and application data holes, all three of which are very important for VMDK storage on NFS.

Also, be aware that some iSCSI daemons implementation are better than others.

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# ? May 16, 2024 12:59

Moey: Oct 22, 2010; I LIKE TO MOVE IT

D. Ebdrup posted:

I would investigate which manefacturer is working on implementing NFSv4.2 because it has sparse file support, IO_ADVISE, and application data holes, all three of which are very important for VMDK storage on NFS.

Also, be aware that some iSCSI daemons implementation are better than others.

Damnit. You know I was looking for a yes or know response, right?

# ? Jul 14, 2020 08:36

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Moey posted:

Damnit. You know I was looking for a yes or know response, right?

I know, yes.

# ? Jul 14, 2020 08:38

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Moey posted:

Anyone run an iSCSI or NFS VMFS datastore at home?

Ironing out my home storage upgrade, and was thinking about going with a NAS and serving up some all flash storage for VMs + some SMB large spinning disks for regular shared file storage.

I am working in a small network cabinet that has 13" of depth from the front of the rails to the back.

For off the shelf I am thinking a QNAP TS-932X.

For whitebox, I can figure out the hardware, but unsure what OSiSC would be best to serve up the VMFS datastores.

Any thoughts?

Yup. Using freeNAS to host iSCSI VM repository for Xen

# ? Jul 14, 2020 14:40

Moey: Oct 22, 2010; I LIKE TO MOVE IT

Jeez, I had a few typos in there last night.

With freeNAS, are you serving up spinning disks or SSDs?

# ? Jul 14, 2020 14:57

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Moey posted:

Jeez, I had a few typos in there last night.

With freeNAS, are you serving up spinning disks or SSDs?

Spinning disks, 16x 900GB SAS 10ks in a ZFS array. I'm building out a SSD only array right now.

# ? Jul 14, 2020 17:06

GnarlyCharlie4u: Sep 23, 2007; I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

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IOwnCalculus posted:

At that price I would expect "new" "refurbs", not actual new. I have a few of the former, they've been good so far.

You know I thought the same thing but the same ebay seller has actual refurbs with 60 day warranty for $10 less so...
I'm gonna check it out in CrystalDisk and if there's like 1000 hours on it or something I'll be returning it since the listing clearly states "new".

I was just wondering if those HGST helium drives had any weird problems or firmware issues to be aware of.
It seems like a reasonably good deal and while two 8tb disks won't be as fast or flexible as an array of four 3tb disks, it's more storage and cheaper for drives that look like they've been handled at least a little better than the average eBay drive.

Thanks for the input.

e: I just looked again and it states the condition as new but then says 'like new' under the description :shrug:

# ? Jul 14, 2020 17:53

IOwnCalculus: Apr 2, 2003

I don't know if it's just me but my SAS drives report far less info to smartctl than my SAS drives do. Results of a "smartctl -iA" to SATA and SAS HGST 8TB drives:

SATA:

code:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     HGST Ultrastar He8
Device Model:     HGST HUH728080ALE604
Serial Number:    420420420
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 23bca0eee
Add. Product Id:  DELL(tm)
Firmware Version: A4DEGP04
User Capacity:    8,001,563,222,016 bytes [8.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Tue Jul 14 09:57:21 2020 MST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   100   100   016    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0004   133   133   000    Old_age   Offline      -       108
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   157   157   024    Pre-fail  Always       -       376 (Average 461)
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       50
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   005    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0004   128   128   000    Old_age   Offline      -       18
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   095   095   000    Old_age   Always       -       38523
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       48
 22 Helium_Level            0x0023   100   100   025    Pre-fail  Always       -       100
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1587
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1587
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   214   214   000    Old_age   Always       -       28 (Min/Max 21/49)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
223 Load_Retry_Count        0x000a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       273061200717
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       2126372816341

SAS:

code:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Vendor:               HGST
Product:              HUH728080AL4200
Revision:             AT11
Compliance:           SPC-4
User Capacity:        8,001,563,222,016 bytes [8.00 TB]
Logical block size:   4096 bytes
LU is fully provisioned
Rotation Rate:        7200 rpm
Form Factor:          3.5 inches
Logical Unit id:      0x5000cca2696969
Serial number:        69696969
Device type:          disk
Transport protocol:   SAS (SPL-3)
Local Time is:        Tue Jul 14 09:58:44 2020 MST
SMART support is:     Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is:     Enabled
Temperature Warning:  Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
Current Drive Temperature:     32 C
Drive Trip Temperature:        85 C

Manufactured in week 11 of year 2016
Specified cycle count over device lifetime:  50000
Accumulated start-stop cycles:  18
Specified load-unload count over device lifetime:  600000
Accumulated load-unload cycles:  1155
Elements in grown defect list: 0

Vendor (Seagate) cache information
  Blocks sent to initiator = 4008680898953216

# ? Jul 14, 2020 18:05

Raymond T. Racing: Jun 11, 2019

IOwnCalculus posted:

I don't know if it's just me but my SAS drives report far less info to smartctl than my SAS drives do. Results of a "smartctl -iA" to SATA and SAS HGST 8TB drives:

SATA:

code:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     HGST Ultrastar He8
Device Model:     HGST HUH728080ALE604
Serial Number:    420420420
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 23bca0eee
Add. Product Id:  DELL(tm)
Firmware Version: A4DEGP04
User Capacity:    8,001,563,222,016 bytes [8.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Tue Jul 14 09:57:21 2020 MST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   100   100   016    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0004   133   133   000    Old_age   Offline      -       108
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   157   157   024    Pre-fail  Always       -       376 (Average 461)
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       50
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   005    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0004   128   128   000    Old_age   Offline      -       18
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   095   095   000    Old_age   Always       -       38523
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       48
 22 Helium_Level            0x0023   100   100   025    Pre-fail  Always       -       100
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1587
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1587
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   214   214   000    Old_age   Always       -       28 (Min/Max 21/49)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
223 Load_Retry_Count        0x000a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       273061200717
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       2126372816341

SAS:

code:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Vendor:               HGST
Product:              HUH728080AL4200
Revision:             AT11
Compliance:           SPC-4
User Capacity:        8,001,563,222,016 bytes [8.00 TB]
Logical block size:   4096 bytes
LU is fully provisioned
Rotation Rate:        7200 rpm
Form Factor:          3.5 inches
Logical Unit id:      0x5000cca2696969
Serial number:        69696969
Device type:          disk
Transport protocol:   SAS (SPL-3)
Local Time is:        Tue Jul 14 09:58:44 2020 MST
SMART support is:     Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is:     Enabled
Temperature Warning:  Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
Current Drive Temperature:     32 C
Drive Trip Temperature:        85 C

Manufactured in week 11 of year 2016
Specified cycle count over device lifetime:  50000
Accumulated start-stop cycles:  18
Specified load-unload count over device lifetime:  600000
Accumulated load-unload cycles:  1155
Elements in grown defect list: 0

Vendor (Seagate) cache information
  Blocks sent to initiator = 4008680898953216

Yup, that's normal.

# ? Jul 14, 2020 18:19

ThermoPhysical: Dec 26, 2007

I'm looking to replace a 1.5 TB drive that's been in use for 5 years continuously. I'm pondering going with:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H2RR55Q/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Would this be a good drive to go with? Budget isn't very big, I'd say around $60-70 or so. 2TB is generally what I would prefer.
Bonus if it's on Amazon as I can get that drive tomorrow via Prime.

Thank you!

# ? Jul 14, 2020 19:24

Trabant: Nov 26, 2011; All systems nominal.

Hello thread. I'm looking for a sanity check re: storage, thought you might be able to help.

Short version: I'd like to expand the storage on my PC, but I'm out of drive bays so I'm thinking an external solution might help. If I don't particularly care about RAID (I'm relying on Backblaze for backup and it's worked fine so far), and I have just one computer on the network.

So... I don't actually need a NAS, do I? Surely just a multi-bay external enclosure is what I'm really after? Either that or buy larger drives and replace the existing ones.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 00:19

DrDork: Dec 29, 2003; commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Trabant posted:

So... I don't actually need a NAS, do I? Surely just a multi-bay external enclosure is what I'm really after? Either that or buy larger drives and replace the existing ones.

You are correct. You don't need a NAS if you have no intention/need to access you files when your computer is off (for example, streaming them via Plex to a TV or accessing them from outside your home via VPN or whatever). If all you want is more storage for your PC, I'd see about replacing a smaller drive first, and if that's not economical, then consider an external enclosure.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 00:51

GnarlyCharlie4u: Sep 23, 2007; I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

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What's the most secure method of making a NAS accessible via the internet in TYOOL 2020? I"m sure the answers will differ based on the product, but I'm more generally curious.
For example I've used SSH on FreeNAS and port forwarded my router to the NAS so I can browse wiles with WinSCP or just map them as SMB shares.
What's more preferable to that? OpenVPN? I don't really see that as an advantage.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 04:55

rufius: Feb 27, 2011; Clear alcohols are for rich women on diets.

GnarlyCharlie4u posted:

What's the most secure method of making a NAS accessible via the internet in TYOOL 2020? I"m sure the answers will differ based on the product, but I'm more generally curious.
For example I've used SSH on FreeNAS and port forwarded my router to the NAS so I can browse wiles with WinSCP or just map them as SMB shares.
What's more preferable to that? OpenVPN? I don't really see that as an advantage.

OpenVPN would be fine for securing though perf is poor if you have a good internet connection. I have Gigabit so that�s my point of reference.

I have a WireGuard VPN setup that all my devices have profiles for. I use that to do phone backup of photos and videos as well as accessing things off the NAS.

I generally don�t expose SSH directly to the internet but that�s a personal preference. Mostly, WireGuard has better perf if you�re doing significant file transfer.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 05:18

THF13: Sep 26, 2007; Keep an adversary in the dark about what you're capable of, and he has to assume the worst.

You could run an instance of Nextcloud with a reverse proxy out in front for access to files.

For getting to the NAS itself via smb/ssh or its management page I would still use a VPN rather than exposing either to the internet.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 05:41

Trabant: Nov 26, 2011; All systems nominal.

DrDork posted:

You are correct. You don't need a NAS if you have no intention/need to access you files when your computer is off (for example, streaming them via Plex to a TV or accessing them from outside your home via VPN or whatever). If all you want is more storage for your PC, I'd see about replacing a smaller drive first, and if that's not economical, then consider an external enclosure.

Thanks!

# ? Jul 15, 2020 05:43

GnarlyCharlie4u: Sep 23, 2007; I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

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rufius posted:

OpenVPN would be fine for securing though perf is poor if you have a good internet connection. I have Gigabit so that�s my point of reference.

I have a WireGuard VPN setup that all my devices have profiles for. I use that to do phone backup of photos and videos as well as accessing things off the NAS.

I generally don�t expose SSH directly to the internet but that�s a personal preference. Mostly, WireGuard has better perf if you�re doing significant file transfer.

I'm not and really I'm just looking for something convenient so I can get to files from any computer. OpenVPN would still require me to download the client and all my traffic would be tunneled which is not only slightly inconvenient, but might also raise some eyebrows at work.
But the reason I ask is because I would also rather not expose SSH to the internet. Synology seems to have a decent solution for this but I'm unsure of the tech behind it. Like how is it accomplished?

If I were going to replicate with FreeNAS should I use HTTPS via SSL and something like Let's Encrypt for a CA?

e:

THF13 posted:

You could run an instance of Nextcloud with a reverse proxy out in front for access to files.

For getting to the NAS itself via smb/ssh or its management page I would still use a VPN rather than exposing either to the internet.

noted. Thanks.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 06:12

rufius: Feb 27, 2011; Clear alcohols are for rich women on diets.

GnarlyCharlie4u posted:

I'm not and really I'm just looking for something convenient so I can get to files from any computer. OpenVPN would still require me to download the client and all my traffic would be tunneled which is not only slightly inconvenient, but might also raise some eyebrows at work.
But the reason I ask is because I would also rather not expose SSH to the internet. Synology seems to have a decent solution for this but I'm unsure of the tech behind it. Like how is it accomplished?

If I were going to replicate with FreeNAS should I use HTTPS via SSL and something like Let's Encrypt for a CA?

What kind of files are you wanting to access. Generically, NextCloud is good for a lot of things. If it�s media, Plex does a good job in my experience. I expose my Plex instance though it�s locked to limited users.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 06:19

corgski: Feb 6, 2007; Silly goose, you're here forever.

GnarlyCharlie4u posted:

But the reason I ask is because I would also rather not expose SSH to the internet.

Is port knocking not a thing people do anymore? Or if you�ll be connecting remotely from a known IP you could set the firewall up to drop any connection attempt from other IPs.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 06:33

Hadlock: Nov 9, 2004

GnarlyCharlie4u posted:

What's the most secure method of making a NAS accessible via the internet in TYOOL 2020?

rufius posted:

I have a WireGuard VPN setup that all my devices have profiles for. I use that to do phone backup of photos and videos as well as accessing things off the NAS.

Wireguard is going to be the standard going forward; it's baked into the linux kernel which is as close to a chosen winner as you're gonna get. If I were gonna design a personal VPN these days that would be my baseline.

OpenVPN probably has more google-able troubleshooting stuff right now to get you up and running, but if this is a long term thing, definitely look at wireguard.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 06:47

Rexxed: May 1, 2010; Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

I hope it's cool to keep posting HD deals in here. I like coupons and deals but I rarely just browse it looking for sales and as far as I can tell we're all fiending for big bytes.

Anyway, Amazon's got the 12TB WD Elements for $175.49 right now and claims it will end the sale in just over 22 hours. I guess if they run out it may be sooner:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B/

# ? Jul 15, 2020 09:42

Ihmemies: Oct 6, 2012

Rexxed posted:

I hope it's cool to keep posting HD deals in here. I like coupons and deals but I rarely just browse it looking for sales and as far as I can tell we're all fiending for big bytes.

Anyway, Amazon's got the 12TB WD Elements for $175.49 right now and claims it will end the sale in just over 22 hours. I guess if they run out it may be sooner:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07X4V2M3B/

Apparently the same deal is for Amazon.de where the price is 194� for me. Ends in 12h 40min.

I have considered making a server/nas:
- 4x 8TB shucked wd elements
- samsung 250gb 960 evo m.2
- ASRock B550M Pro4, mATX
- 2x8gb ecc like Kingston Server Premier, DDR4 2666MHz, ECC, CL19, 1.20V
- seasonic 550w focus gx-550
- fractal node 804

- freenas
- ZFS mirrored vdev ("raid 10" = fast rebuild, fast in general, easy to add storage)
- cloud backblaze b2 ($5/tb/mo hosting, $10/tb download)
- offline backup (replication) to external hdd

BUT what CPU to use? Ryzens seem to be a good value. I don't want some piddly CPU which chugs under any load. I tought about Ryzen 3400G because it has system idle under 30W -> could get around 50W total usage with 4 HDD's (500kWh/a which is around 60� here in Finland): https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_3400g_review,4.html

The problem is.. cheap AMD APU's don't support ECC! AMD please!!

So what to do. I want power, speed, storage (if possible). Budget is around 600-700� for NAS hardware (equal to 5 slot synology/qnap pricing) and 600� for storage. 600� gets 16TB. Of course that deal would give 24TB for 780�. 50% increase in storage for 30% increase in price. Could go further with the 24TB and avoid buying a SAS card (unless of course the B550 is poo poo).

Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Jul 15, 2020

# ? Jul 15, 2020 10:23

EpicCodeMonkey: Feb 19, 2011

Whelp, tonight my own old Synology DS415+ died (the Atom C2000 bug we discussed a few pages ago).

I can confirm that the 100ohm resistor fix does work on already failed hardware, which is nice. The hardest part is getting access to the unpopulated header on the board to solder it on - the whole thing is very much not designed to come apart and go back together easily. Twenty second fix, plus an hour to pull it all apart and put it back together.

Good thing I had all my electronics equipment in storage, including the right resistor. Wasn't looking forward to waiting around for parts during the pandemic.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 12:43

Munkeymon: Aug 14, 2003; Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.

GnarlyCharlie4u posted:

all my traffic would be tunneled

Doesn't have to https://openvpn.net/for/split-tunneling-with-access-server/

If you just want to get to your totally legal backup copies of your music, Plex is very good, btw

# ? Jul 15, 2020 13:58

rufius: Feb 27, 2011; Clear alcohols are for rich women on diets.

Munkeymon posted:

Doesn't have to https://openvpn.net/for/split-tunneling-with-access-server/

If you just want to get to your totally legal backup copies of your music, Plex is very good, btw

Re: Plex - and if you didn�t know, Plexamp is a thing and it�s quite nice.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 14:18

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Munkeymon posted:

Doesn't have to https://openvpn.net/for/split-tunneling-with-access-server/

If you just want to get to your totally legal backup copies of your music, Plex is very good, btw

This is what I run. All your internet bound traffic is still out your normal route, any internal stuff goes over the VPN.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 14:58

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

Unraid question, which I'm guessing is on their wiki somewhere, but don't know the exact phrasing to search for.

My current unraid has an 8 TB parity drive, a few other smaller disks, and the smallest disk is 2TB. If I grabbed one of those 12 TB drives on sale from Amazon, I'd have to remove the smallest drive in order to put it in the array. Before removing the 2 TB drive, would I have to go to \\tower\disk<2TB disk #>, and move all of this data over to one of the disks with 2TB of space available? How do I get the data off that specific drive, but still keep it in the array?

I've done this a few times, but it's been 3-4 years since I've expanded my array, so I can't remember.

# ? Jul 15, 2020 19:47

Rexxed: May 1, 2010; Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Newegg's got some sale pricing on a bunch of WD Elements models:
8TB WD Elements $128.99 w/ "FNTSTECH76" https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-8tb/p/N82E16822234349
10TB WD Elements $159.99 w/ "FNTSTECH75" https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-10tb/p/N82E16822234350
12TB WD Elements $175.99 https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-12tb/p/N82E16822234406
14TB WD Elements $219.99 w/ "FNTSTECH78" https://www.newegg.com/wd-elements-14tb-black/p/N82E16822234411

# ? Jul 15, 2020 23:28

Matt Zerella: Oct 7, 2002; Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

Unraid question, which I'm guessing is on their wiki somewhere, but don't know the exact phrasing to search for.

My current unraid has an 8 TB parity drive, a few other smaller disks, and the smallest disk is 2TB. If I grabbed one of those 12 TB drives on sale from Amazon, I'd have to remove the smallest drive in order to put it in the array. Before removing the 2 TB drive, would I have to go to \\tower\disk<2TB disk #>, and move all of this data over to one of the disks with 2TB of space available? How do I get the data off that specific drive, but still keep it in the array?

I've done this a few times, but it's been 3-4 years since I've expanded my array, so I can't remember.

Wait, why not replace your parity drive with the 12tb and replace the 2 tb with the 8?

Also shouldn't you just be able to assign the 8tb to the 2TB spot and it'll rebuild the data for you?

# ? Jul 15, 2020 23:44

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

Matt Zerella posted:

Wait, why not replace your parity drive with the 12tb and replace the 2 tb with the 8?

Also shouldn't you just be able to assign the 8tb to the 2TB spot and it'll rebuild the data for you?

I think I worded that post oddly. I'm removing the smallest disk, moving the 8TB to where the smallest disk was, and putting a new parity drive in.

Anyway, I found the wiki that explains the 3-drive dance:
https://wiki.unraid.net/The_parity_swap_procedure
I didn't realize that unraid had an option to copy parity from my old parity drive to my new one. That makes it super easy.

Now to decide whether to get 1 drive or 2...

# ? Jul 16, 2020 00:06

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

Rexxed posted:

Newegg's got some sale pricing on a bunch of WD Elements models:
8TB WD Elements $128.99 w/ "FNTSTECH76" https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-8tb/p/N82E16822234349
10TB WD Elements $159.99 w/ "FNTSTECH75" https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-10tb/p/N82E16822234350
12TB WD Elements $175.99 https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-12tb/p/N82E16822234406
14TB WD Elements $219.99 w/ "FNTSTECH78" https://www.newegg.com/wd-elements-14tb-black/p/N82E16822234411

drat, the 14s are gone already.

e: 5% cash back on the 12TB on Amazon if you use their Chase Prime CC.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 00:11

Chilled Milk: Jun 22, 2003; No one here is alone,
satellites in every home

Rexxed posted:

Newegg's got some sale pricing on a bunch of WD Elements models:
8TB WD Elements $128.99 w/ "FNTSTECH76" https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-8tb/p/N82E16822234349
10TB WD Elements $159.99 w/ "FNTSTECH75" https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-10tb/p/N82E16822234350
12TB WD Elements $175.99 https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-12tb/p/N82E16822234406
14TB WD Elements $219.99 w/ "FNTSTECH78" https://www.newegg.com/wd-elements-14tb-black/p/N82E16822234411

Dang, 14's are gone. Another one of my 5TB Reds is slowly dying, been gradually replacing them with shucked 14's but sales on those are unsurprisingly rarer than the 8-12s.

Edit: they're backordered, but Best Buy has the 14TB EasyStore for just $10 more. Given my situation I'm getting one and praying for a better sale down the line
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-14tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6390390.p?skuId=6390390

Chilled Milk fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jul 16, 2020

# ? Jul 16, 2020 00:19

Kia Soul Enthusias: May 9, 2004; zoom-zoom; Toilet Rascal

Rexxed posted:

Newegg's got some sale pricing on a bunch of WD Elements models:
8TB WD Elements $128.99 w/ "FNTSTECH76" https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-8tb/p/N82E16822234349
10TB WD Elements $159.99 w/ "FNTSTECH75" https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-10tb/p/N82E16822234350
12TB WD Elements $175.99 https://www.newegg.com/black-wd-elements-12tb/p/N82E16822234406
14TB WD Elements $219.99 w/ "FNTSTECH78" https://www.newegg.com/wd-elements-14tb-black/p/N82E16822234411

What kind of drive is inside the 10TB?

# ? Jul 16, 2020 00:25

Raymond T. Racing: Jun 11, 2019

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

I think I worded that post oddly. I'm removing the smallest disk, moving the 8TB to where the smallest disk was, and putting a new parity drive in.

Anyway, I found the wiki that explains the 3-drive dance:
https://wiki.unraid.net/The_parity_swap_procedure
I didn't realize that unraid had an option to copy parity from my old parity drive to my new one. That makes it super easy.

Now to decide whether to get 1 drive or 2...

The plugin Unbalance in Community Apps lets you do this sort of thing easily, by letting it scatter a drive to other drives.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 03:05

GnarlyCharlie4u: Sep 23, 2007; I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

rufius posted:

What kind of files are you wanting to access. Generically, NextCloud is good for a lot of things. If it’s media, Plex does a good job in my experience. I expose my Plex instance though it’s locked to limited users.

Not so much media. Possibly camera recordings but hopefully not. Maybe some pictures, but mostly just projects/repos, install files, and documents that I don't want to go through the trouble of trying to put into the cloud and sort out from there.
I can't really find a use case for plex at work. I'm too loving busy to be watching movies and I'm on skype all day so I can't exactly stream music either.

corgski posted:

Is port knocking not a thing people do anymore? Or if you�ll be connecting remotely from a known IP you could set the firewall up to drop any connection attempt from other IPs.

It most certainly is.
I'd just whitelist my remote connection's IP. If it changes I just add a new rule via my unifi cloudkey.

Hadlock posted:

Wireguard is going to be the standard going forward; it's baked into the linux kernel which is as close to a chosen winner as you're gonna get. If I were gonna design a personal VPN these days that would be my baseline.

OpenVPN probably has more google-able troubleshooting stuff right now to get you up and running, but if this is a long term thing, definitely look at wireguard.

Good to know. I'll look into it.

Munkeymon posted:

Doesn't have to https://openvpn.net/for/split-tunneling-with-access-server/

If you just want to get to your totally legal backup copies of your music, Plex is very good, btw

Plex is great, although I've never exposed mine to the internet. I'm aware of split tunneling though I've never implemented it.
It would work if I were at like Starbucks or something, but the whole VPN from inside my office network, and installing the client software, is apparently a no-no. So the whole VPN route might just be dead in the water anyway.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 05:04

Rexxed: May 1, 2010; Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

Charles posted:

What kind of drive is inside the 10TB?

Most of them are white label WD disks that are very similar to wd reds.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 05:43

HalloKitty: Sep 30, 2005; Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Rexxed posted:

Most of them are white label WD disks that are very similar to wd reds.

Better than

# ? Jul 16, 2020 06:37

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

Buff Hardback posted:

The plugin Unbalance in Community Apps lets you do this sort of thing easily, by letting it scatter a drive to other drives.

Oh sweet. I�ll check it out. Thanks!

# ? Jul 16, 2020 08:09

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HalloKitty posted:

Better than

Shorter warranty, but basically the same drive in 8TB+. It's absolutely worth shucking drives from a coat perspective, but don't make it seem like they're better without explaining the whole SMR issue that only affects the smaller drives.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 11:53

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# ? May 16, 2024 12:59

Smashing Link: Jul 8, 2003; I'll keep chucking bombs at you til you fall off that ledge!; Grimey Drawer

Well it turns out Synology is continuing to act like Good Guys and replacing my 1515+ that was a few months out of warranty. It is the 2nd one they have replaced for me.

# ? Jul 16, 2020 15:43

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