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Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!
Ok brand new to the game. What is tagged and cursed?

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LGD
Sep 25, 2004

Dr. Clockwork posted:

Ok brand new to the game. What is tagged and cursed?

its an AI setting you can enable for offline games, where instead of the scavs passively wandering around until they get aggroed you're "tagged" so they know where you are in a general sense and move across the map towards you (and "cursed" so more scavs spawn in)

there are some circumstances online where it has been/can be activated (i.e. Battlestate enabled it for all hatchet-runners for a while before toning it down b/c it was being abused to farm scavs, but I think it still frequently triggers, just not 100%), and some occasions where scav behavior will strongly resemble it - (with the caveat that this is all ime and variable) scavs spread aggro to one another and get nastier when on alert, and you can absolutely end up in circumstances where a bunch of scavs spawn in and essentially all decide to aggressively come for you(r current location)

also its tarkov, so some sort of atypically aggressive scav spawn is absolutely not out of the question

otoh it absolutely could be someone hacking

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

Dr. Clockwork posted:

Ok brand new to the game. What is tagged and cursed?

If you kill enough scavs, occasionally you will get marked as an enemy by them, and they will start to spawn in and beeline towards you. If you've ever felt like you entered a horde mode game, you've been tagged and cursed.

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!
Huh, didn't realize that was a thing that could happen in an online game. I suppose that's a possibility. I've read that Tarkov does have a radar/ESP cheating issue and always hate to jump straight to "he was hacking" when I die in any game, but this was super weird.

causticBeet
Mar 2, 2010

BIG VINCE COMIN FOR YOU
Tarkov has cheating issues but honestly after like 3-4 wipes I can name like.... 3 situations where I am 100% confident that I was killed by a hacker. It’s not as widespread as people make it seem.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

ive had one situation where ive been 99.99999% sure it was a hacker but i dont play labs or reserve much

animist
Aug 28, 2018
I once saw a dude with an altyn hovering 50 feet in the air on customs, I took a few potshots and he turned and headshot me from 200 meters

otherwise no major hacker experiences

ThePineapple
Oct 19, 2009
For what it's worth, the one and only situation where I was 100% certain I was killed by a hacker was on reserve, and the hacker was a player scav.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
Pretty sure I got killed by a player scav hacker on night reserve the other day. I spawned in, checked my inventory, then died in a hail of bullets as soon as I started moving. 12 seconds total in raid.

So a scav either got their hands on a silenced weapon with a thermal or they were hacking. Either are possible.

idiotsavant
Jun 4, 2000
I’ve died from hackers a couple times and have definitely been radared before as well - all times on Shoreline I think. Spawned swamp as a pmc with normal loadout, went to a thick bush to check inventory, dude comes running full tilt directly at my bush and unloads on me without hesitation. The hackers were pretty obvious, too - one person dies out of nowhere 2 minutes into the raid, then a dude literally appears in front of me and I’m instantly dead from “head, eyes”.

There was also a super suspect moment where we ran into Oli from the Emercon spawn using SJ6 and there were already dudes set and waiting in the OLI offices for us. It’s a drag that BSGs security has been so garbage, because it sucks when you doubt that poo poo is happening legitimately.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I posted a video a few pages back where a hacker killed me and my friend lol. According to the hackers who post about it, they're in almost all raids so

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

Umbreon posted:

You've been demonstrating all thread that you have no idea how RMT works in addition to apparently thinking I made up an FIR idea now. Do yourself a huge favor and relax and breathe before you post again.

so you're telling me- that RMTers don't transfer assets through items, but instead find items in raid and give it to a dummy account to sell to do- what exactly? they invite the buyer to the raid to give him items?

do you know how unpractical and pointless this is when you can just give them a docs case full of btc and call it a day?

like man, you haven't thought your fake knowledge through more than a pure guess, i can tell you RMTers use dummy accounts and don't push more than 5 million roubles through them at a time, and don't do more than 10 mil every 24 hours, and 50 a week. they don't hack teleport FiR items to them or actually play the game, they buy from other in bulk cheaper via the transfer methods i mentioned, and then resell for a lot more. I've sold to plenty of resellers many times, and have yet to be banned or have them be banned by just giving away high value items.

1001 Arabian dicks fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jul 14, 2020

Lemon
May 22, 2003

holy crap I actually found a graphics card in one of the OLI office computers

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!
So is the player count persistent in a given raid or do people still spawn in throughout? If I come across like 6 pmc bodies in crossroads does that mean at most it’s me plus 5 others? Or did six guys dying just make room for fresh recruits to pop in?

Umbreon
May 21, 2011

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

so you're telling me- that RMTers don't transfer assets through items, but instead find items in raid and give it to a dummy account to sell to do- what exactly? they invite the buyer to the raid to give him items?

do you know how unpractical and pointless this is when you can just give them a docs case full of btc and call it a day?

like man, you haven't thought your fake knowledge through more than a pure guess, i can tell you RMTers use dummy accounts and don't push more than 5 million roubles through them at a time, and don't do more than 10 mil every 24 hours, and 50 a week. they don't hack teleport FiR items to them or actually play the game, they buy from other in bulk cheaper via the transfer methods i mentioned, and then resell for a lot more. I've sold to plenty of resellers many times, and have yet to be banned or have them be banned by just giving away high value items.

They do both of those things you listed in the top of your post, except they don't give it to a dummy account, they just give it directly to the buyer in raid so that the buyer can extract and sell all the items to vendors and get the amount of money they paid for. A docs case full of BTC was indeed one of the methods used, up until BSG put caps on how many of different kinds of high value items you can hold or pick up in a raid(which means that if the buyer tries to pick up that docs case full of BTC, it won't work)

Could you explain what you mean by buying and reselling? You can't sell non FIR items on the FM and you can only bring in a limited amount of rubles into each raid. No matter what, the assets that they're buying and reselling have to come from somewhere, and they sure as hell aren't going to be doing that from just buying items at normal prices from regular players.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

pmc count is persistent for each raid and new pmcs wont spawn in after the first couple of minutes (late spawns). player scavs can spawn indefinitely while there is still a pmc in the raid, once all pmcs have extracted no more new player scavs can spawn in even if other player scavs are still in the raid.

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

bro do you even have any idea how impractical it is to do what you're saying, escort a guy through a raid in 15 minutes or so, for only a million or so (mostly less) on average?

people don't do penny trades for rmt, especially not when it could take hours.

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
that's soooo small brain, no one does that.

Dr. Clockwork
Sep 9, 2011

I'LL PUT MY SCIENCE IN ALL OF YOU!
This is probably a dumb question, but is there no such thing as Scav solidarity? I think 9 out of 10 of my Scav runs, I've been killed by another player Scav.

I need to just throw myself into games more so I can get past the fear of getting ganked because this is a gank simulator so far. Level 10 seems so far away.

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

Dr. Clockwork posted:

This is probably a dumb question, but is there no such thing as Scav solidarity? I think 9 out of 10 of my Scav runs, I've been killed by another player Scav.

I need to just throw myself into games more so I can get past the fear of getting ganked because this is a gank simulator so far. Level 10 seems so far away.

Congratulations, you've discovered that player scavs are your worst enemy and you should kill them on sight. Player scavs are the most dangerous enemy in the game whether you're a player scav yourself or you're a PMC, imo. On very rare occasions you can wiggle yourself into cooperating with another player scav but I found that wiggling got me killed so often I just stopped doing it.

They're supposedly going to implement some kind of karma system at some point to promote cooperation, but who knows when that'll be finished. Until then just kill player scavs the moment you recognize them. Try to avoid killing regular NPC scavs unless you can help it or you really want/need their poo poo. It'll aggro other scavs if they're around and you'll reveal your position.

Umbreon
May 21, 2011

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

bro do you even have any idea how impractical it is to do what you're saying, escort a guy through a raid in 15 minutes or so, for only a million or so (mostly less) on average?

people don't do penny trades for rmt, especially not when it could take hours.

Are you actually going to answer anything or provide any evidence towards your case whatsoever or are you just going to keep doing this

Lemon
May 22, 2003

So far I think I've had a slightly better experience of scav solidarity, but not by a huge amount, maybe 3 or 4 runs out of 10 the wiggle will work and we'll both go on our way. I can understand why people don't trust other player scavs though and if you suddenly run into them in a dark corner I can see why they would start blasting.

Sometimes it doesn't seem to make much sense though, like just now I was in OLI, making my way around the back to hoover up what I could. There was another scav that I didn't spot until he started shooting at me, he hosed me up real bad but I managed to take him down. I found on his body some water filters, a can of fuel, a couple of motors and a regular labs keycard. All potentially pretty valuable items depending on his level and all his space was completely packed, about as good a scav run as you could expect. Sure, maybe I might have been walking around with a LEDX or something but the chances are so low that it seemed a completely pointless risk for him to take when he could have just let me pass by.

Or maybe he was scared of losing his loot and didn't want to risk me killing him if I did spot him first? So it seemed pretty pointless on his part but at the same time I can see why :shrug:

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

on my scav runs im going to blast anyone i come across that im not 100% sure is ai. doing the scav wiggle at me is a death sentence.

the oli guy you mightve just been in his way and he didnt want to risk waiting for you to engage, or possibly was there looking for specific item spawns in oli that you mightve looted already

Lemon
May 22, 2003

Stux posted:

on my scav runs im going to blast anyone i come across that im not 100% sure is ai. doing the scav wiggle at me is a death sentence.

the oli guy you mightve just been in his way and he didnt want to risk waiting for you to engage, or possibly was there looking for specific item spawns in oli that you mightve looted already

I think the former isn't likely as I was already past him and heading away, but maybe I was heading down the route he wanted to take. Like I say, I can understand why people do it, just for that guy the risk didn't seem worth it.

Out of interest, why d'you kill player scavs?

I'm not saying I don't btw, if I haven't picked up anything worth keeping or if I need a backpack then I can get bloodthirsty.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

i think every single time ive had someone do the wiggle dance with me and ive gone along with it its ended with me being shot

Lemon
May 22, 2003

ha, that sucks. I don't get a huge amount of uptake on the wiggle, but I've never had it betrayed when it does happen.

InevitableCheese
Jul 10, 2015

quite a pickle you've got there
This past weekend the wiggle worked for me twice, both in cases where our player scav group was spawned pretty far from each other on interchange.

“Is that you?”

*both wiggle*

“No that’s not me I’m in Oli”

I usually don’t do it myself, especially solo, but I’ll let a dude slide every now and then.

The Clap
Sep 21, 2006

currently training to kill God
They've released 12.7 patch notes - https://forum.escapefromtarkov.com/topic/134413-patch-0127-preliminary-patch-notes/.

Lots of really exciting stuff in here. Several skills have been reworked, Customs expansion, Shoreline scav boss, grenade launcher and new shotgun, AP .366 ammo, 6 new stimulants including one called "M.U.L.E" which I believe is designed to help you carry stuff while overweight. This is gonna be a good one I think.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

the scav ai changes lol

Mae
Aug 1, 2010

Supesudandi wa, kukan-nai no dandidesu

85 hp torso is a big change, that changes a lot of bullet breakpoints (rip m80)

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

I got a bad feeling about those scav changes

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012
Shoot all scavs. Shoot em all, all the time. Noone is safe now. Scavs moving loot is gonna be hillarous tho.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

Kikas posted:

Shoot all scavs. Shoot em all, all the time. Noone is safe now. Scavs moving loot is gonna be hillarous tho.

lol I just realized scavs are going to steal bushed items

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business
New scav boss sounds awful.

I love it.

New ammo for the 1911 makes me happy, opens the door for guns like the Vector and my personal CS 1.6 gun of choice, the UMP

I hope they add more low level gun options. Starting fresh is always frustrating to me because the guns just suck so much. Whenever I get my hands on an ADAR or Vepr I feel like I can actually do something besides run scared and rat it up harder than usual.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

you: ahh i need an adar or vepr i cant kill anyone otherwise!!

me: haha smg goes brrr

causticBeet
Mar 2, 2010

BIG VINCE COMIN FOR YOU
“Bots can pick up items now”

Uhhh does this mean scavs will now be hoovering up loot? If so lol this is going to be hilariously broken 100% guaranteed

Tarandis
Jun 16, 2012

causticBeet posted:

“Bots can pick up items now”

Uhhh does this mean scavs will now be hoovering up loot? If so lol this is going to be hilariously broken 100% guaranteed

I'm excited for the bug where they can loot stuff off your still living body.

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

If an AI scav loots your body and the game ends do you get back on insurance?


Pretty hype for 12.7 to be honest

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

Nobody has mentioned the grenade launcher yet. Can't wait to see how that goes.

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hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Ice Fist posted:

Nobody has mentioned the grenade launcher yet. Can't wait to see how that goes.

its gonna own so hard

if these nerds thought it was hard to dodge sniper fire when they exfil wait til they have to dodge artillery

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