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untzthatshit posted:I had a run recently where I ran into that event where it adds purge to a card, and I chose a Steward as usual forgetting that I had the daisy artifact that makes cards with purge have consume instead. There's some potential in that combo for sure... I’ve gotten that with the skull, then cloned it. Pretty fun
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untzthatshit posted:I had a run recently where I ran into that event where it adds purge to a card, and I chose a Steward as usual forgetting that I had the daisy artifact that makes cards with purge have consume instead. There's some potential in that combo for sure... It's only +20/+20. The spell railspike is +20 power and makes it zero cost as well. Getting the Daisy and then removing the consume means you get 1 cost and +20 power but it's eating both upgrade slots so maybe a wash. The monster one would be better if it also gave 0 cost, so the best use case is probably an unupgraded multihit spell. On that note, however, it's good to point out that all event upgrades ignore upgrade slots, so use them on fully upgraded stuff as often as possible. This also applies to Automatic Railspikes and Spikedriver Colony: Upgrade them before you start making copies! Those upgrades will also be applied to all copies made and still there after the whole set gets upgraded. I have a bit of a process now where I only look at the shop, not buy anything yet, then check caverns. This helps make event choices towards what can be immediately improved better than just which shop is immediately available.
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Jul 16, 2020 21:22
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Melting Remnants’ new and improved Harvest champion is the best tank in the game, yowza
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Meanwhile Onehorn's Tome is dumpster tier now. That nerf would make sense if it was 3 energy, tops.
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Jul 16, 2020 21:56
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Today's challenge is weird. Purge on death with Melting?
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Jul 16, 2020 21:58
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Ranzear posted:Meanwhile Onehorn's Tome is dumpster tier now. That nerf would make sense if it was 3 energy, tops. What was the nerf? I thought it went from 5 to 6 cost.
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Jul 16, 2020 22:32
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Ranzear posted:Meanwhile Onehorn's Tome is dumpster tier now. That nerf would make sense if it was 3 energy, tops. Yeah, it probably had too high of a win rate entirely due to how great it is with Volatile Gauge. Same with the 4 and 10+ energy hellhorned units. It was already fairly priced, Gauge was nerfed, they should have left it alone, or perhaps they didn't consider how it performed outside of those decks.
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Jul 16, 2020 22:34
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Honestly one of the biggest drawbacks of this game is that there are so many cards that can only be reasonably played with Volatile Gauge. In StS the only cards you had that cost more than 3 energy were Meteor Strike (which generates energy), Eviscerate (which lowers its cost when you discard cards), and Sands of Time (Which lowers in cost every turn). Meanwhile in Monster Train there are 6 cards priced at 4+ energy, with one being 10 base and now two at 6 base which means you can't really take them at all before Daedalus and also you run into serious issues ever playing them if they're things like Consumer of Crowns or Shadowseige
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Jul 16, 2020 22:44
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Zore posted:Honestly one of the biggest drawbacks of this game is that there are so many cards that can only be reasonably played with Volatile Gauge. Also Omniscience and Blood for Blood. But Omni, like Eviscerate, lowers to 3 cost when upgraded and BfB lowers in cost when you lose HP. So there is only one card - Meteor Strike - that cannot reasonably be played regardless of your relics.
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Jul 16, 2020 22:50
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 I am admittedly bad at this game but this was such a dumb run. Park Rector, Lady, and my multistrike Draff at the bottom so they can comfortably kill everything. Stick Tycoon and the other two Draff's on the second floor so they can take care of anything that survives the bottom floor. This also let me collect stupid amounts of gold since the Draff's dying activated Tycoon's effect. Everytime they died they just came back with another 10 attack plus the extra from anything they killed. Easily the most busted run I've had yet in this game.
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Jul 16, 2020 23:16
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Is there a schedule for when beta will become live?
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Jul 16, 2020 23:29
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I finally beat the 2nd covenant, I did an umbra hell horned team making my penumbra go the monstrous tree and stacking on Immortal Trade over and over again so the Seraph kept trying to kill him but I continued to regain health faster than I wss losing it. I love this game
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Jedit posted:What was the nerf? I thought it went from 5 to 6 cost. Still 5 cost, but now applies "Fragile", the unit will die if it loses any health. I assume stacking armor prevents 'health loss', but now there's too much external support for the card to still cost 5. It could cost 4 as an uncommon. Contrast with Furnace Tap, which costs 2 and also gives rage 3 and by the time you're ready to play it the emberdrain isn't a huge downside. Hell, Emberdrain is an irrelevant mechanic if you just get a bunch of Perils of Production and draw, which IMO is the best way to play Umbra because gorge scales so slowly. Immortal Trade is so nice in this setup too. And ... what the poo poo? Perils of Production gives 3 ember now instead of just 2. What a hilariously unnecessary buff on a common. This is now the only way to play Umbra.
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Gauge nerf was probably needed, but man is it a bit of a trap now. I didn't quite realize that it had changed from 0-3 cost to 1-3 cost and it nearly cost me my run, as I was running a build with double incant + two sap totems (yes, applying 4 sap per spell is, well, nuts), and was running a combination of good + lovely spells. I didn't catch that all of a sudden my lovely spells started costing a lot, and while my good spells were often cheaper, it was a bit of a kick in the teeth. I get the logic - you can further reduce spell costs via upgrading, and since those spell cost reductions stack with gauge it's very strong (+ the card draw is amazing), but without those cost reductions it gets very dicey to use.
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Ranzear posted:And ... what the poo poo? Perils of Production gives 3 ember now instead of just 2. What a hilariously unnecessary buff on a common. This is now the only way to play Umbra.  DL lol, yup... 500+ damage from rage with trample was loving unstoppable even against purifying Seraph. I didn't even get or need Furnace Tap.
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Umbra primary feels totally busted now in almost every combination, but I can't figure out anything I don't hate for Melted - they seem like they'd be incredibly strong alone, but every partner faction is just junking up my deck. I don't want to heal, morsels are useless to me now, etc. Stygian is probably the least offensive but it still doesn't feel great.
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Gotta say I'm not a fan of the sweeping emberdrain unit with 130 health.
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Yeah that's a combo I've always figured needed a toning down. It's bad enough that you'd need a Swift unit for it to not be guaranteed to apply the effect, but then it has a fuckton of health, more than any regular unit can put out let alone sweep units. I don't even know how to see them coming yet, else I'd actually plan ahead for once and make sure I have Resin Removal or something, or just be playing something like that Umbra deck above and just ignore it.
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Jul 17, 2020 04:39
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I think they only show up for the seraph that puts curses in your deck. I guess the idea is there's a synergy between choking your mana and making you spend mana to play curses.
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That's a Fel variant, not a Seraph variant. Seraph is only buff stripping, sap, or spell consume. They aren't in that Fel variant. I think they're in the second-to-last battle. So yeah, those guys just sneak up on you.
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Those guys should have a status that the opposite of quick so they attack LAST in a round, so heavy hitters have a chance of taking him down first. Though putting 3 keywords on a single guy would be pretty crazy.
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Jul 17, 2020 05:04
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When the spell consume Seraph does his “cry” that throws one of those three health guys on a floor, iirc he also adds a couple of negative cards to your deck
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I don't think I've run into Spell Consume Seraph in like ten runs. You're probably right.
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Yeah, spell consume seraph puts blight shards in your deck, I guess the combo there is that drawing more cruft makes it harder to not consume your valuable spells . But I'm pretty sure it's buff/debuff remover seraph who comes with emberwings.
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consume seraph -> blights sap seraph -> shadewings (15x2 light enemies) purge seraph -> pyrewings (drain sweepers)
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To be faaaair... Any run I have that gets to Seraph either completely facerolls him and I don't even notice the mechanics, or is a complete loving clown fiesta because he's hard countering me and I will lose with him either having still more than 2000hp or less than 100hp (confirmation bias I'm sure.) I'll definitely acknowledge that paying attention to what mechanics are coming up would help my winrate, but they just don't loving matter at all on most of my good ones that it's almost more fun to just ignore them and go for the broken poo poo. Meanwhile I watch NorthernLion play this after he reached A15 on all Spire characters and his conservative plays are what gently caress him over every single time. Recently he had a maximized and damage added multihit animus and the opportunity to dupe it and for some reason just didn't. 160+ damage a round and like 80hp and I think he duped the Formless Child trying to play some shenanigans with it when just being aggressive and doubling up on his best card easily could have carried him. He definitely had 6 capacity on all floors and I think his middle floor was just empty for the last two battles of the game. quote:On your first turn, you are guaranteed to draw your champion + at least one banner unit (so no imps, cuttlehexes and other "support" units like morsels etc), the rest of your hand is random draw. After your first turn, if you have any banner units left in your deck, you are guaranteed to draw at least one per turn. Once you've drawn all your banner units, all draws are randomized. This is some useful info from his comments. I figured it was something like this on at least turn one. Ranzear fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Jul 17, 2020 |
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The new reform-focused Rector Flicker is fun as hell. I spent this run parking him on the top floor and sending in glass cannons to die and be reformed. Late battles consisted of the Legion of Wax murdering everything while losing at least its first form, then me reforming or Formless Childing it and tossing it on another floor, each time enhancing Legion with two holdover Waxen Spikes (I had the X+3 artifact) to give it ridiculous amounts of attack (since the child waxes inherit "enhancements," which Waxen Spikes provides). Whenever my Memories of the Melted came around (gain 1 ember for each friendly death this fight; I'd removed its consume), I could use a super Waxen Spike that would give like 80+ attack. Before the final battle, I bought the artifact that summons four random units to the middle floor, which ended up being one of the Legions and several of my support units. I decided to use the Waxen Spikes on that floor each turn (since I had two, I could increase the burning timer comfortably) and just let the other Legion continually reform itself on the bottom floor. Seraph nearly died from flying past the middle floor and getting smacked around. I was looking forward to that floor finishing him off, but he got so worn down before the final wave that he succumbed to Legion on the bottom floor, as it had gotten beefy as hell from the constant reforms. As a bonus, I had the artifact that restores Pyre health when you play a consume card, so I could restore 10-20 health each battle. Easily the most fun I've had with a Remnant deck so far.
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Ranzear posted:Still 5 cost, but now applies "Fragile", the unit will die if it loses any health. Emberdrain on your own cards often isn't relevant anyway, if you play them on units that are about to die. The nerf to Tome seems a bit much (although Remnant won't mind), but buffing Perils is absurd. It was already probably the best common in the game because you could almost always play it on a Morsel that was about to be consumed and get 2 ember for free.
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Ember drain enemies are absolute bullshit
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Bruceski posted:Today's challenge is weird. Purge on death with Melting? Endless counters purge. Not sure about reform, didn't try that kind of rector.
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Yeah understanding draw priority is essential, it's the one kind of broken mechanic in the game that keeps it working. Draw priority is why upgrading train stewards with the multihit damage shield train steward buff relic doesn't work as well as it should - draw priority does not apply to train stewards so your largestoned train steward can be on the bottom of your deck whereas you will be guaranteed to draw your largestoned animus of will.
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No Wave posted:Yeah understanding draw priority is essential, it's the one kind of broken mechanic in the game that keeps it working.
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This thing Ranzear quoted sums it up:quote:On your first turn, you are guaranteed to draw your champion + at least one banner unit (so no imps, cuttlehexes and other "support" units like morsels etc), the rest of your hand is random draw. After your first turn, if you have any banner units left in your deck, you are guaranteed to draw at least one per turn. Once you've drawn all your banner units, all draws are randomized. I don't know if there's an official statement on it. There should be but it's kind of an awkward smoothing mechanic so I wouldn't be surprised if they were quiet about it. I don't think it's a great mechanic because it pushes you to run fewer units, but it's totally essential and the game is fun even with it being a necessary thing.
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Train Stewards are still poo poo even with relic help though. Like you shouldn't path into steel merchant if the only monster upgrade you have is steward. And it's by design imo. Like relic buffed stewards let you bypass mediocre banner picks early game in favour of making your cool spells even better which is usually not an option. Don't keep stewards in your deck ever what I mean to say!
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No Wave posted:I don't know if there's an official statement on it. There should be but it's kind of an awkward smoothing mechanic so I wouldn't be surprised if they were quiet about it. Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jul 17, 2020 |
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ugusername posted:Train Stewards are still poo poo even with relic help though. Like you shouldn't path into steel merchant if the only monster upgrade you have is steward. And it's by design imo. Like relic buffed stewards let you bypass mediocre banner picks early game in favour of making your cool spells even better which is usually not an option. Don't keep stewards in your deck ever what I mean to say! No Wave fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jul 17, 2020 |
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They buffed that artifact right?
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Yeah it doubles their stats as well as adding the multihit and damage shield now. It makes the first four levels a joke.
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ugusername posted:Train Stewards are still poo poo even with relic help though. Like you shouldn't path into steel merchant if the only monster upgrade you have is steward. And it's by design imo. Like relic buffed stewards let you bypass mediocre banner picks early game in favour of making your cool spells even better which is usually not an option. Don't keep stewards in your deck ever what I mean to say! Yeah I got to ascension 15 before I even golded them. Then I realized I hadn't and it was bothering me so I left one in my deck that I just never played for a run
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