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Dark_Swordmaster posted:Is there a game that did Diablo but as a twin stick shooter? Diablo 3 if you're playing a Wizard
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Kheldarn posted:I used various ones from Steam. I didn't even know about the existance of NexusMods when I was playing. I ended up having to download their tool that lets you make your own mods so that I could combine all of the Does 1 Thing mods. 
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Jul 18, 2020 01:39
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:Is there a game that did Diablo but as a twin stick shooter? Console d3 is a twin stick shooter
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Jul 18, 2020 02:29
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Zereth posted:that's weird because when I played it recently (because "well i haven't beat THIS one") it wouldn't let me run more than 10 mods at a time. Hence: Kheldarn posted:I ended up having to download their tool that lets you make your own mods so that I could combine all of the Does 1 Thing mods. Looking at my list, I remember now that I combined as many as I could into one mod made by me, so that I could bypass the 10 mods limit.
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Jul 18, 2020 03:02
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El_Elegante posted:I have no idea but if you like twin stick shooters you should play Assault Android Cactus if you haven’t already. I do and I hate it. I can't put it into words, I just don't like That One.
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Jul 18, 2020 05:33
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:Is there a game that did Diablo but as a twin stick shooter? Some of the classes in Gauntlet: Slayer Edition play like a twinstick shooter. I had a blast with it, though the difficulty is pretty uneven.
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Jul 18, 2020 07:52
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:Is there a game that did Diablo but as a twin stick shooter? Victor Vran had a twin stick style control setup IIRC. https://store.steampowered.com/app/345180/Victor_Vran_ARPG/
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Jul 18, 2020 09:31
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Kheldarn posted:Hence: oh, i am apparently blind
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Jul 18, 2020 12:01
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Kheldarn posted:I disagree. I found a lot of fun mods for TL2, and enjoyed it. Here here. I don't know why, but POE just doesn't click with me at all. POE has so many build options, but it didn't prevent Act 1 feeling like a slog using 1 skill on really dumb enemies. I'm not sure if I'm missing something here. TL2 has decent variety and random portals to go through, so it's a good time. I enjoy the dungeon crawling/hack and slash part more so than the RPG optimizing of ARPGs.
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Jul 18, 2020 13:26
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Tezzeract posted:Here here. I don't know why, but POE just doesn't click with me at all. POE has so many build options, but it didn't prevent Act 1 feeling like a slog using 1 skill on really dumb enemies. I'm not sure if I'm missing something here. It's an incredibly inaccessible game, essentially, but this aspect is a conscious choice by the developers. Characters start out slow to emphasize the power increases you get while levelling / gearing up. Once you've levelled a few characters it doesn't take long to get one going. You do get movement skills and a run-fast flask early in the first act as quest reward options. If you haven't tried it for a while, characters come online much earlier than they used to do, but despite being the best ARPG on the market at the moment by a considerable margin, it's still extremely hard to get into and I can't blame anyone for bouncing off it. The people in the goon thread are super helpful, and if you have any interest in ARPGs it's probably worth giving it another bash some time - I'd suggest next league (season) since it's supposed to be a big one, and this league's gimmick is focussed on crafting which is an insanely complicated thing for a newbie to wrap their head around.
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Jul 18, 2020 13:50
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..btt posted:It's an incredibly inaccessible game, essentially, but this aspect is a conscious choice by the developers. Characters start out slow to emphasize the power increases you get while levelling / gearing up. Once you've levelled a few characters it doesn't take long to get one going. You do get movement skills and a run-fast flask early in the first act as quest reward options. I don’t blame you and I say the same thing about some other games I like but goddamn if “the developers make the start inaccessible and boring to make the later parts seem fun” is legit the biggest switch off for a game to me. How about just making the entire game fun game devs!!
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Jul 18, 2020 14:14
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It really is a pain in the rear end to re-level each season to try new builds. It needs a mechanic to make that not suck.
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Jul 18, 2020 14:20
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Haven’t they been bought by TenCent recently? You’ll be able to Pay2Win soon, so it’s all good!
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Jul 18, 2020 14:21
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But that wouldn’t be good at all! ARPG are like a mirage in the desert for me. Like I think I’m really going to enjoy getting from weak to powerful, but it never quite seems satisfying enough. I end up focusing on skill points in an underdeveloped skill tree, while the game wants me to go through the tedium of min-maxing gear. Gear effects are never weird or synergistic enough to be exciting.
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Jul 18, 2020 14:29
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Kerbtree posted:Haven’t they been bought by TenCent recently? You’ll be able to Pay2Win soon, so it’s all good! That was over two years ago and nothing changed.
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Jul 18, 2020 14:31
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They got paid good money. Good for them.
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Jul 18, 2020 14:32
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Does PoE still rely on the RNG and gear drops for what skills and skill modifiers you can have equipped? At some point they made it so you could buy the skills from a vendor instead of those also being based on RNG.
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Jul 18, 2020 15:40
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Tezzeract posted:Here here. I don't know why, but POE just doesn't click with me at all. POE has so many build options, but it didn't prevent Act 1 feeling like a slog using 1 skill on really dumb enemies. I'm not sure if I'm missing something here. the part you’re missing is the system knowledge to breeze through act 1 in ~10-12 minutes from a fresh start Len posted:Does PoE still rely on the RNG and gear drops for what skills and skill modifiers you can have equipped? At some point they made it so you could buy the skills from a vendor instead of those also being based on RNG. I think I misunderstood what you were asking here at first, but yes links/sockets are still random on items. Most gems can be bought from vendors now, the few that can’t tend to be of niche use or readily available through trade after like, the first hour of a new league. There are a lot more guaranteed 4 links as quest rewards now and you usually have a few options to choose from for necessary colors etc. From what they’ve spoiled of PoE2, the link/color system will be addressed much more thoroughly there.
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teacup posted:I don’t blame you and I say the same thing about some other games I like but goddamn if “the developers make the start inaccessible and boring to make the later parts seem fun” is legit the biggest switch off for a game to me. How about just making the entire game fun game devs!! I don't think they intend to make the game inaccessible, it's just something that's very difficult to address without neutering the mechanical complexity that makes the game so interesting. But the characters feeling a little slow before you've got all your movement options and passive tree support together is intended. The devs speak relatively openly about their design decisions, and this is something they've spoken about before. If you start a new character off zooming around the screen exploding everything before you see it, the whole experience feels a bit flat and pointless. Looking forward to the next big upgrade, and your character getting noticably more powerful, is part of what makes ARPGs compelling imo. There are plenty of faults with POE, but the op was asking if he was missing something because everything felt slow and tedious for the first few maps, and this is why. It really is quick and easy to level characters when you know what you're doing, you're talking about the first few hours of a character that you'll play for hundreds of hours... but that's a pretty huge hump to get over considering the vast amount of mechanics that have been added to the game over time, and the difficulty of the content that long-term players take for granted.
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Jul 18, 2020 19:23
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I have dozens and dozens of hours in PoE and I still do not understand the game at all whatsoever.
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Jul 19, 2020 01:46
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..btt posted:I don't think they intend to make the game inaccessible, it's just something that's very difficult to address without neutering the mechanical complexity that makes the game so interesting. But the characters feeling a little slow before you've got all your movement options and passive tree support together is intended. The devs speak relatively openly about their design decisions, and this is something they've spoken about before. If you start a new character off zooming around the screen exploding everything before you see it, the whole experience feels a bit flat and pointless. Looking forward to the next big upgrade, and your character getting noticably more powerful, is part of what makes ARPGs compelling imo. Yeah I understand the idea. But plenty of other games are still fun at the start then get even more fun. Obviously it’s subjective me for me- they got the balance wrong PoE was just dreary to me. Great for people sinking hundreds of hours into it those few hours won’t matter. But it was a waste on me and I had a lot more fun smashing around in diablo 3, regardless of which was “deeper”.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:I have dozens and dozens of hours in PoE and I still do not understand the game at all whatsoever. I’ve had a number of people tell me that PoE doesn’t really begin until you beat the story and do some amount of post game random instanced dungeons, which to me was an incredibly chilling indictment of the game and it’s design but they all seemed to think it was high praise.
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Coolguye posted:I’ve had a number of people tell me that PoE doesn’t really begin until you beat the story and do some amount of post game random instanced dungeons, which to me was an incredibly chilling indictment of the game and it’s design but they all seemed to think it was high praise. PoE aims to be Diablo 2 but better (and it is). This includes completely ignoring the story in favor of doing hours upon hours of grinding gear after you beat the game. Unlike D2, however, the grinding is done in a variety (and there is a lot of variety) of endgame areas instead of like chaos sanctuary or a couple of bosses. A lot of people bounce off of PoE because they expect the progression through the story to be the point of the game, whereas it's intended to be more of an extended tutorial/introduction to the game mechanics and the setting. For better or worse, it's the real successor to Diablo 2 with regard to how the playerbase actually played the game (or at least it was until Blizzard released RoS's Rifts).
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It's eminently possible to enjoy PoE as a single player game with a 10 acts long storyline, and then be done with it. There's a ton of really interesting world building and cool locations throughout the main campaign, it's a really good romp if you haven't played through it one million times already. There's no need to study build guides or watch a youtube about how to destroy endgame content, just download the game for free and play it. Yeah, it is a complex system mastery rewarding type of game, but it won't push you hard until the endgame stuff, and you can just nope out of that if you don't care. Also one of the finest soundtracks in games, this is what's playing in my hideout right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r86jTpmafqE StoryTime fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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Jul 19, 2020 10:53
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All you people saying Torchlight is diablo 1 need to replay diablo 1.
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Jul 19, 2020 14:53
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I played so much goddamn Diablo 1 I can instantly remember the sounds fallen ones, goatmen, and scavengers make when they die. Or the sound of an enemy dropping a shield. Torchlight was fun but it was no D1.
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Jul 19, 2020 15:33
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Path of exile doesn't belong in this thread y'all are getting off topic
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Jul 19, 2020 15:34
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Free games (that used to be free)
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Jul 19, 2020 16:13
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Len posted:Path of exile doesn't belong in this thread y'all are getting off topic If you're singling out poe does that mean all 3 diablos are free somewhere
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Jul 19, 2020 16:58
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The real free ARPG king was Marvel Heroes (rip)
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site posted:If you're singling out poe does that mean all 3 diablos are free somewhere That's fair, diablo belongs in the blizzard subforum and PoE in the games that were always free
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StoryTime posted:It's eminently possible to enjoy PoE as a single player game with a 10 acts long storyline, and then be done with it. There's a ton of really interesting world building and cool locations throughout the main campaign, it's a really good romp if you haven't played through it one million times already. There's no need to study build guides or watch a youtube about how to destroy endgame content, just download the game for free and play it. Yeah, it is a complex system mastery rewarding type of game, but it won't push you hard until the endgame stuff, and you can just nope out of that if you don't care. Yea, though I never got far into PoE I can't say it was because of complex mechanics or builds, I just don't find most loot games engaging, especially playing solo. The only time I finished Grim Dawn was playing on coop with someone that had finished it a dozen times and was basically like a tour guide for the game.
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Jul 19, 2020 17:59
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MikeCrotch posted:The real free ARPG king was Marvel Heroes (rip) Truer words have never been spoken.
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Jul 19, 2020 18:17
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MikeCrotch posted:The real free ARPG king was Marvel Heroes (rip) I loved how each time you got max level with a character it boosted global xp gain for every subsequent character
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Jul 19, 2020 18:46
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MikeCrotch posted:The real free ARPG king was Marvel Heroes (rip) Oh yes, I loved how the Punishers 'combat roll' ability didn't cost any bars or resources whatsoever, so you could just speed run the entire game combat rolling all the time. Also he is a gun wizard with magic bullets. And Storm, who had this passive power that would just explode every parked car in Manhattan with lightning, just because she passed by. loving rip on that one.
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Jul 19, 2020 19:25
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Len posted:Path of exile doesn't belong in this thread y'all are getting off topic
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Roguelikes Thread Path of Exile Thread Diablo Thread Grimdawn Thread Steam Thread Games' July Chat Thread Let's save this thread for finding free games.
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Zesty posted:Roguelikes Thread And only free games that weren't always free Beep boop
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Jul 20, 2020 00:18
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Len posted:And only free games that weren't always free This was worth a mild chuckle the first time you did it but not the twenty times since
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Not the first time either, really.
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