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STAC Goat posted:We have discovered evidence through painstaking use of the scientific method that wrestlers might by and large be idiots. spending all their time on their bodies when they should be working their brains...shameful
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Jul 19, 2020 00:27
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Lid posted:i'm rolling my eyes so loving hard here Why?
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The suggestion isn't that Heyman went to Vince and said "fire these guys" what is outright said is they weren't on the list until Heyman said "hey we're paying these two a lot of money they should be on the list too" It's an attempt to protect their source.
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Jul 19, 2020 00:49
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Vince wanted to cut costs by getting rid of people that weren't being used, or had out-lived their shelf life for the most part, and I get the idea Heyman threw them under the bus because he was constantly using them as jobbers and made more money than he did. They mentioned that Triple H would say things like "Well if there's no work for you on the main roster, I'd love to have you in NXT" which is probably true, but then they would've stuck out even more for being guys paid in the millions to work NXT.
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Gallows and Anderson outright said that they got a ton of backstage heat from producers and creative once it came out how much they re-signed for. I seriously doubt Heyman was actually responsible for getting them fired. Did Heyman bring up that they were overpaid in meetings when layoffs were being discussed and lie to them and Styles about it? Probably, but I bet a lot of other people brought it up as well. Would Vince lie about who made the call and deflect the blame to someone else to placate AJ and is AJ a big enough moron to take him at his word? Absolutely
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OctoberCountry posted:Gallows and Anderson outright said that they got a ton of backstage heat from producers and creative once it came out how much they re-signed for. I seriously doubt Heyman was actually responsible for getting them fired.
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Lid posted:The suggestion isn't that Heyman went to Vince and said "fire these guys" what is outright said is they weren't on the list until Heyman said "hey we're paying these two a lot of money they should be on the list too" The Voices of Wrestling, noted friends of Paul Heyman.
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I feel like the Heyman stuff is overreported when Anderson did immediately follow by pointing out Vince has the final word on everything. They were just personally offended by Heyman (and HHH) lying. Anderson told Carano "It's just business." This is not a 2011 shoot interview where Vince couldn't stop mean old Johnny Ace from firing someone.JUNGLE BOY posted:I’d say it was all worth it if now wrestlers in the future realize WWE’s keepaway contracts aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on but most wrestlers are stupid and we will 100% see this scenario play out again with someone else in the next 2 years
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Lid posted:The suggestion isn't that Heyman went to Vince and said "fire these guys" what is outright said is they weren't on the list until Heyman said "hey we're paying these two a lot of money they should be on the list too" Hmm
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I was a bit surprised they let Anderson and Gallows go because they were in the Wrestlemania main event and were on TV every week, generally pretty high up the card. They definitely weren't protected but they weren't dudes the WWE was paying to hang out at catering either. Considering this mostly happened during the period where Vince was busy with the XFL and was paying a lot more attention to Smackdown than Raw due to Fox, it was probably Heyman who was at least making the decision to use them. It seemed to me like all the people who fit the "guys who were reportedly unhappy and trying to get out of their contract but then had a dump truck of money backed up to them" were all spite fired by Vince with COVID as the cover but that's just my take on it.
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mkay0 posted:I was not surprised they were let go, because they signed a non-guaranteed deal for substantially more than their market value just to keep AEW from getting them And they got released where AEW wasn't in a position to pick them up.
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Pylons posted:And they got released where AEW wasn't in a position to pick them up. AEW didn't try to get them during their no-compete https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1284687937737650176
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Chris James 2 posted:AEW didn't try to get them during their no-compete Right, that's what I mean. I don't think AEW is in a position to give them a reasonable offer (setting aside their heat with management), so releasing them was a no-brainer for WWE. They don't have the overpaid talent on their budget, and AEW still doesn't pick them up.
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The Good Brothers are just funny, charming, charismatic dudes who are dumb as all hell. They hosed themselves over in the long run for the short run and are at least honest with themselves to know it. Good Dudes. They'd have been great in AEW at the start but even ignoring the heat with management they wouldn't really add much going there now since they're already overloaded with great tag teams. They missed the window and it sucks. AJ is dumb as gently caress though, not hard to figure out why he spent the majority of his career in TNA doing the dumbest poo poo. Vince McMahon is just as much of a liar as Paul Heyman, he's just better at it. To me it sounds like Paul Heyman is the kind of liar who can convince you the sky is green in the moment he's talking to you but very quickly you realise he's talking bollocks. Vince will add just enough of the truth in with his lies and omit just enough so that the buck is passed or you're doing what he wants, which is honestly much more dangerous and effective.
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Gonzo McFee posted:AJ is dumb as gently caress though, not hard to figure out why he spent the majority of his career in TNA doing the dumbest poo poo. Dumb enough to call Dave a liar for reporting what his friends were a week away from confirming themselves, yeah. Also, Dave watched the much of the Joey Ryan video and claims that out of the dozen accusations he saw Ryan address he may have made a point about two of them. He also talked about how each accusation should be investigated individually. In a better world that's exactly what criminal investigators would be doing with them. Alas. Arbite fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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Arbite posted:Dumb enough to call Dave a liar for reporting what his friends were a week away from confirming themselves, yeah. Maybe my negative bias is self-confirming because I've been souring so much on Dave, but I didn't dig that he called things a "cesspool" because of people jumping on.
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There's just so much negativity about these sexual abusers on both sides y'all.
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AEW gave them an offer once and they turned it down to stay where they were unhappy I wouldn't extend a second offer to them either even if I had the budget and they have already made it clear they regret it and made the wrong decision while burning their friends in the process so there shouldn't be any surprise about the situation
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it's funny to me how they described the saudi plane incident, confirming all of the stuff everyone said, then saying it wasn't what everyone said. the dopeness
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I probably would have ordered Talk'n'Shopamania if they hadn't advertised Enzo for it at the end of Fucktown. So... thanks for saving me the money hoots!
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RealFoxy posted:I can believe the story at face value. Vince had no reason to cut them because they were still in use, but when Paul Heyman was like "well there's these two job guys getting paid millions on the roster" Vince was like "Sure, cut them" so he could try and save his own wrestlers (Like Ricochet and Shayna who both got demoted the SECOND Heyman was gone) Absolutely Heyman may have submitted their names when he was asked for guys to cut. But at the end of the day, if Vince was the saint that everyone who works there gets brainwashed into thinking he is, he could have said 'gently caress no we're not firing them'. The idea that Heyman put their names on the list because he didn't like them is fine, the notion that Vince was powerless to stop them from being canned is just absurd.
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njsykora posted:There's just so much negativity about these sexual abusers on both sides y'all. Yeah. They spent four minutes on this, at the end of the pod. We joke and embellish a lot here about what people say on pods, but here is what he actually said - Dave posted:When there is so many people accusing you, and there's a rep out there, its not good. That said, some of the accusers, when you read the text messages and everything like that, uh, it is, at best, very suspicious. Every one of these need to be taken on it's own, not as a group ... If you have group think they are all real, you are going to be wrong a LOT. If you have group think that none of them are real, you are going to be wrong a lot as well.... There is incredible mob mentality Quit my sub due to annoyance of the Osprey stuff and burnout already, but certainly would have unsubscribed over this.
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Luke Gallows is easily the least stupid of these chucklefucks for knowing that the WWE will just make them eat poo poo if they went there
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I'll always remember Gallows telling the story of somebody asking him backstage once,"Hey do you think that Vince remembers you were Festus?" and Gallows replying,"No and for GOD'S SAKE DON'T REMIND HIM!"
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Bryan's big surprise is as expected the return of Lance Storm and Bryan fucks up the reveal as only he can.
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MassRafTer posted:the return of Lance Storm Really glad he's back, Lance rules.
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Jerusalem posted:Lance's bit about his insurance not covering him if he went to America and how that could completely destroy his retirement savings if he got sick was a hell of a thing. Yeah American healthcare is the best
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People kind of being surprised or calling Karl Anderson a mark should know the dude was just a guy on the US indies before he randomly had a big break as NJPW's 2nd top heavyweight foreign talent next to Giant Bernard. Him being home sick and wanting to be a star on US TV makes sense. Absolutely don't blame people taking bigger paychecks because in the end its a job about making money.
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KungFu Grip posted:People kind of being surprised or calling Karl Anderson a mark should know the dude was just a guy on the US indies before he randomly had a big break as NJPW's 2nd top heavyweight foreign talent next to Giant Bernard. Him being home sick and wanting to be a star on US TV makes sense. Absolutely don't blame people taking bigger paychecks because in the end its a job about making money. A man has a family he presumably loves, and has the choice to be on the road 300 days a year with one company, or home 4 or 5 days a week with another. Karl made a terrible choice, and it bit him in the rear end. I do blame him for taking a bigger paycheck when he was already wealthy enough to afford his lifestyle, support his family, and enjoy the good life.
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KungFu Grip posted:People kind of being surprised or calling Karl Anderson a mark should know the dude was just a guy on the US indies before he randomly had a big break as NJPW's 2nd top heavyweight foreign talent next to Giant Bernard. Him being home sick and wanting to be a star on US TV makes sense. What about his (or anyone's) tenure in WWE would be an indication that he would be a star on US TV?
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mkay0 posted:‘In the end it’s about making money’ is not an obvious vote for them to go to WWE, as has been discussed at length itt in a pre aew wrestling world in the united states wwe was the one offering the most money hand over fist because they were scared aew was a real thing flashy_mcflash posted:What about his (or anyone's) tenure in WWE would be an indication that he would be a star on US TV? he was a guy who didn't believe wwe's backstage culture or thought maybe he was different because he had a big hook coming in as allies to top stars. literally everyone thinks they're different before actually getting into wwe until either realizing they're just another cog in the machine and are beaten down by it or supposedly don't care that they are
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flashy_mcflash posted:What about his (or anyone's) tenure in WWE would be an indication that he would be a star on US TV? a wwe superstar tm on television
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