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LibCrusher posted:I don’t think it’s in the US’s or the CIA’s best interest to devote resources to trying to spread COVID in China or anywhere else. I think they got out of the “attempting mass murder” game a couple decades ago... except for the drone stuff, but... hm I guess 2001 is close enough to a couple of decades ago...
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Professorjuggalo posted:key word with each other. Italian titty movies in the 60’s and 70’s were pretty much made because the Italian govt was tired of neo realism painting the government in a bad light and pointing out class issues so they started to fund movies that ignored politics.
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The_Rob posted:Italian titty movies in the 60’s and 70’s were pretty much made because the Italian govt was tired of neo realism painting the government in a bad light and pointing out class issues so they started to fund movies that ignored politics. Dario Argento bad?
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Filthy Hans posted:Dario Argento bad? I mean he's part of the cabal that killed Anthony Bourdain.
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thotsky posted:I get that this thread attracts people for other reasons than finding the Epstein conspiracy an interesting lens to view the exploitative excesses of capital through, I do. TIL that not thinking immaturity is sexy is a major hangup. Adults who want to bone teens are the weird ones, wtf is this post
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Bip Roberts posted:I mean he's part of the cabal that killed Anthony Bourdain. I would like to know more.
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Schmeichy posted:TIL that not thinking immaturity is sexy is a major hangup. Adults who want to bone teens are the weird ones, wtf is this post I mean, it sounds like some people here thinks everyone should be recoiling at depictions of teen sex in, like, the Twilight books or whatever. There's such a huge divide between that and actual pedophilia that it really does come across as something like moral panic at best, and at worst hypocritical repression.
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NaanViolence posted:I would like to know more. Bourdain was dating Argento's daughter, Asia, at the time he presumably offed himself btw Asia starred with a kid in some movie and then years later when he was 16 or 17 she was banging him, maybe a groom job I don't know but either way ew she had been prominent in the MeToo movement up to that point, obviously there was a hard  after the revelationhere's a pic of the couple in question when they first worked together: 
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Filthy Hans posted:Bourdain was dating Argento's daughter, Asia, at the time he presumably offed himself she also made a movie where redneck marilyn manson fucks one of the sprouse brothers
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thotsky posted:I mean, it sounds like some people here thinks everyone should be recoiling at depictions of teen sex in, like, the Twilight books or whatever. There's such a huge divide between that and actual pedophilia that it really does come across as something like moral panic at best, and at worst hypocritical repression. Teens having consensual sex with each other is fine, sexualizing teens for adults is gross and leads to a culture that preys on them, how is this hard to understand. It sounds like you're making an ephobilia argument here. Please don't do this in the Epstein thread
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Schmeichy posted:Teens having consensual sex with each other is fine, sexualizing teens for adults is gross and leads to a culture that preys on them, how is this hard to understand. It sounds like you're making an ephobilia argument here. Please don't do this in the Epstein thread Agree that the thread should move on, but I think it's overstating it to classify things like Gossip Girl, the OC (Euphoria is sus) and most slasher movies having 25 year olds playing high schoolers as meant to represent literal teens, but I guess the target audience for these examples are actual teens more so than adults. Like I don't know if Gossip Girl would have appealed to me as a teen if it was about trashy drama in a law firm and not a fantasy of trashy rich prep school drama. Actually don't really disagree with you...lots of characters are made to be 15-17 for no plot reason other than titialation. Paffgen has issued a correction as of 17:11 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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thotsky posted:I mean, it sounds like some people here thinks everyone should be recoiling at depictions of teen sex in, like, the Twilight books or whatever. There's such a huge divide between that and actual pedophilia that it really does come across as something like moral panic at best, and at worst hypocritical repression. The twilight books are about an old, powerful man grooming and abusing a young, impressionable girl. I hateread every word, and they’re an ode to exploitation.
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Seems to me that teens would know to have sex with each other even without media representation of sex-having teens, just like they know how to shoot up their schools without media representation of school shooters.
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Loucks posted:The twilight books are about an old, powerful man grooming and abusing a young, impressionable girl. I hateread every word, and they’re an ode to exploitation. I once went to San Diego Comicon back when the Twilight series was still being filmed and I stayed in Hall H all day (because that's where all the massive media events took place) so I had to sit through a Twilight panel and the entire rest of the audience was moms with their teenage daughters and they were so thirsty for Robert Pattinson that when he came out they were hooting and hollering and shouting their hotel room numbers at him Well that's my story.
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Schmeichy posted:Teens having consensual sex with each other is fine, sexualizing teens for adults is gross and leads to a culture that preys on them, how is this hard to understand. It sounds like you're making an ephobilia argument here. Please don't do this in the Epstein thread Nah, you're putting words in my mouth there. I'm just not convinced that media sexualizing teens is what is responsible for predators doing their thing; I tend to blame the predators for that kind of thing. I'm mostly worried that morality scolds are trying to co-opting the moment for their repressive ideologies, especially since the lines drawn appear to be pretty out there. If you were making a point about media crossing the line with children, and referencing anime or whatever I'd be a lot more receptive to the argument. Loucks posted:The twilight books are about an old, powerful man grooming and abusing a young, impressionable girl. I hateread every word, and they're an ode to exploitation. Eh, maybe a bad example, I have not actually read it. Let's say The Return of the Living Dead then, where actress Linnea Quigley, who I think were in her thirties at the time, plays a teen who then gets topless for titillation purposes. I don't see how enjoying the movie makes you an abuser, and find the implied response of "well, only teens can enjoy it" to be pretty silly. thotsky has issued a correction as of 17:43 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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thotsky posted:Nah, you're putting words in my mouth there. I'm just not convinced that media sexualizing teens is what is responsible for predators doing their thing; I tend to blame the predators for that kind of thing. I'm mostly worried that morality scolds are trying to co-opting the moment for their repressive ideologies, especially since the lines drawn appear to be pretty out there. If you were making a point about media crossing the line with children, and referencing anime or whatever I'd be a lot more receptive to the argument. So wait, are you making an ephebophilia argument? Because it sounds like you're saying it's acceptable to sexualize a 15 year old.
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thotsky posted:Nah, you're putting words in my mouth there. I'm just not convinced that media sexualizing teens is what is responsible for predators doing their thing; I tend to blame the predators for that kind of thing. I'm mostly worried that morality scolds are trying to co-opting the moment for their repressive ideologies, especially since the lines drawn appear to be pretty out there. If you were making a point about media crossing the line with children, and referencing anime or whatever I'd be a lot more receptive to the argument. Why does the thirty year old actor have to be a teen. Why are teens our ideal form of desire
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King of Solomon posted:So wait, are you making an ephebophilia argument? Because it sounds like you're saying it's acceptable to sexualize a 15 year old. What constitutes an ephebophilia argument?
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thotsky posted:What constitutes an ephebophilia argument? Your argument is basically the same as libertarians saying they're not pedophiles for wanting to gently caress teenagers, because it's ephebophilia, not pedophilia, man
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thotsky posted:What constitutes an ephebophilia argument? You seem to be saying sexualizing children isn't ok but teens is.
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i think hes saying its okay if you're making money for it and not because it serves your pleasure
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Sexualizing teens is gross but I don't think the Epsteins of the world needed Britney Spears as an excuse.
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night danger posted:Sexualizing teens is gross but I don't think the Epsteins of the world needed Britney Spears as an excuse. Britney Spears herself is a victim of teen sexualization, encouraging teens to be sexual fantasies is not good for their own well-being let alone our culture, and why is this an argument we even need to have
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night danger posted:Sexualizing teens is gross but I don't think the Epsteins of the world needed Britney Spears as an excuse. i think people who run down this alley believe it goes the other way: that elite pedophiles direct the celebrity industry (music, movies, models, etc) to normalize sexual attraction to children. but i do not believe that either. i just think it's bad, not that nefarious forces are consciously directing it.
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Doc Hawkins posted:i think people who run down this alley believe it goes the other way: that elite pedophiles direct the celebrity industry (music, movies, models, etc) to normalize sexual attraction to children. I think it's just an element of our society being hosed up. We have child beauty pageants, teenage sex comedies, random teen titillation in various TV shows and movies, etc. America as a society just loves sexualizing minors.
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King of Solomon posted:Your argument is basically the same as libertarians saying they're not pedophiles for wanting to gently caress teenagers, because it's ephebophilia, not pedophilia, man I feel like there's a lot to unpack here, but the easiest to address first would be the difference between sexualizing someone and actively trying to have sex with them. Can we agree that if I were to reminisce about the early days with my girlfriend way back when we were in our late teens I'm not suddenly being a pedo? Schmeichy posted:You seem to be saying sexualizing children isn't ok but teens is. I can't say with any authority whether sexualizing fictional children is harmful, but I do know that it is loving gross. An 18-year old is an adult, so I just don't think it is comparable. I'd never date someone that young now, but it would have been completely normal when I was in high-school and college, so making a blanket statement about sexualizing teens really hurts your argument. If I understand correctly, the libertarian argument is about how they should be free to pursue these relationships now, but my objection is to the argument that enjoying fictional representation of teenagers as sexual beings is a moral failing, or at the very least, that it makes you an abuser. Schmeichy posted:Why does the thirty year old actor have to be a teen. Why are teens our ideal form of desire Is it the ideal form? It's clearly a very popular one, although media skews towards a young (mostly male) audience anyway. In the movie it does double duty as a financial decision in order to appeal to the core audience, but is also hamfisted/self-defeating commentary on hollywood exploitation of young women. thotsky has issued a correction as of 18:41 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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I dont remember this being discussed and I'm kind of desperate to change the conversation https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/17/us/head-nypd-union-qanon-mug I'm pretty convinced 20% of qanon is basically true. but the head of the police union believing people are under sealed indictments or whatever is really rather troublesome
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Loucks posted:The twilight books are about an old, powerful man grooming and abusing a young, impressionable girl. I hateread every word, and they’re an ode to exploitation. They're literally an ode to Joseph Smith.
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It's gonna turn out to be some kind of coordinated psyop or PR experiment. I just don't think it is very likely old-rear end desk-jockeys are spending their time on anime message boards. Some young chud analyst told Bannon, Gorka or someone like them to send a box of those mugs to every precinct in the city or some such.
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Gentlemen! You can't argue about pedophilia in here this is the Epstein thread!
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i guess the real pedophile cabal was the friends we made along the way
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The pedophile cabal is what happens when you're busy making other plans.
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Oh good maybe they'll do something with all those illegal child abuse videos they've done nothing about too. Wasabi the J has issued a correction as of 22:49 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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Wasabi the J posted:illegal cold abuse videos also lol that a casting couch porn site was actually really as sleazy as it claims to be
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Cached Money posted:what? https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9393zp/how-pornhub-moderation-works-girls-do-porn https://nypost.com/2019/10/24/mom-finds-missing-teen-girl-by-spotting-her-on-pornhub/ idk if this is what Wasabi is referring to but pornhub is complicit af in spreading abuse content
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