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https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1285257532873887744 Democracy in action
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I initially read that as Bolivias ruling Junta.
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Jul 20, 2020 19:08
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I guess the question that first springs to mind is how does the government of Bolivia declaring opposition candidates ineligible differ from the government of Venezuela declaring opposition candidates ineligible.
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Jul 20, 2020 19:56
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SlothfulCobra posted:I guess the question that first springs to mind is how does the government of Bolivia declaring opposition candidates ineligible differ from the government of Venezuela declaring opposition candidates ineligible. In Venezuela they’re declared ineligible because they do things like miss registration deadlines or, ya know, conspire w foreign powers to hire mercenaries groups to overthrow the government In Bolivia it’s apparently because they released polling data.
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Jul 20, 2020 20:59
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you'd figure 'outlaw poll tweeting' would be too flimsy an excuse for yet another bolivian coup, but I see the deathmongers have already begun 'just asking questions'.
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Jul 23, 2020 15:50
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It's official... https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1286358246622670849
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Jul 23, 2020 21:43
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Truly a win for democracy?
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Jul 23, 2020 21:48
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Finally, the Bolivian people too can experience (late stage) capitalist democracy!
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Jul 23, 2020 21:49
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SlothfulCobra posted:I guess the question that first springs to mind is how does the government of Bolivia declaring opposition candidates ineligible differ from the government of Venezuela declaring opposition candidates ineligible. They're not. Both country's ruling governments are authoritarian.
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Jul 23, 2020 22:05
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well... I guess I'm glad that 'is posting on twitter justification for another round of nazi violence?' question isn't going to get answered at this time. small mercies.
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Jul 23, 2020 22:06
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punk rebel ecks posted:They're not. Both country's ruling governments are authoritarian. Well actually, Venezuela’s government has elections, Bolivia’s does not
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Jul 23, 2020 22:07
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Spice World War II posted:It's official... wow never saw this coming etc etc
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Jul 23, 2020 22:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgxK9w5DSvQ
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Jul 23, 2020 22:56
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https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1286372269913247746
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Jul 23, 2020 23:40
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For the record, the stated reasons for the delay are actually fairly sensible - COVID-19 is ravaging the country, and all signs indicate that an election would cause a surge in cases that Bolivia cannot afford. The problem is the same as always - fighting a pandemic requires a government to cash in on the trust and legitimacy it has earned from the general public, and Anez's gang of fascists has done very little to build that and a great deal to demolish it. To be able to delay elections without incident, you need a proven prior track record of abiding by them.
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Jul 23, 2020 23:45
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Darth Walrus posted:For the record, the stated reasons for the delay are actually fairly sensible - COVID-19 is ravaging the country, and all signs indicate that an election would cause a surge in cases that Bolivia cannot afford. The problem is the same as always - fighting a pandemic requires a government to cash in on the trust and legitimacy it has earned from the general public, and Anez's gang of fascists has done very little to build that and a great deal to demolish it. To be able to delay elections without incident, you need a proven prior track record of abiding by them. The main problem is that even if you were an avid coup supporter, their "mandate" ended in January, when they no longer could just ignore the issue they still kept delaying the date further, until they finally got their covid emergency situation, which hit Bolivia later than their neighbors even. A situation that of course they also actively fostered by a completely inadequate response
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Jul 24, 2020 22:29
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Elon Musk has officially admitted to bring involved in the military coup which overthrew the Bolivian government https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1286866843307737088?s=21
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Jul 25, 2020 06:56
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uninterrupted posted:Elon Musk has officially admitted to bring involved in the military coup which overthrew the Bolivian government I mean the coup was bad but, he really didn't, he's just being rhetorical (a rhetorical rear end in a top hat, but still).
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Jul 25, 2020 10:40
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I'm shocked that the South African blood money dude thinks it's cool to do that. Shocked!
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Jul 25, 2020 11:28
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Private Speech posted:I mean the coup was bad but, Right. If you read the next tweet in that thread, it's making fun of the idea that the US couped Bolivia so Tesla could get their lithium when they import most of their lithium from Australia. And really, it doesn't make sense, if you think about it, given that Morales was really active in trying to develop Bolivia's lithium mining sector and Bolivia actually increased trade with the US during the Morales years. The US government had a bunch of differences with Morales, but trade wasn't one of them.
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Jul 25, 2020 21:07
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Epicurius posted:Right. If you read the next tweet in that thread, it's making fun of the idea that the US couped Bolivia so Tesla could get their lithium when they import most of their lithium from Australia. Lithium prices fell sharply after the coup. Musk has tons of government contracts and hires private investigators to follow his perceived enemies around and has been known to say more than he should on Twitter and the us has been known to coordinate regime change with the private sector. Assuming he’s joking doesn’t seem prudent
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Jul 25, 2020 21:38
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Morales was active in developing a nationalised lithium mining sector. You think US corps can buy cheap lithium when its not mined by near slaves ingenious people and sold for the benefit of a few rather than a country?
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Jul 25, 2020 21:43
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uninterrupted posted:Lithium prices fell sharply after the coup. Musk has tons of government contracts and hires private investigators to follow his perceived enemies around and has been known to say more than he should on Twitter and the us has been known to coordinate regime change with the private sector. Assuming he’s joking doesn’t seem prudent Except, lithium prices had been falling since 2018, and the big slump in prices started in June of 2019. See this chart of lithium prices, for instance: https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium Put that on top of the fact that lithium is fairly common, Bolivia still doesn't produce that much of it, and the quality of Bolivian lithium ore is poor, and it doesn't seem like the best theory. Marenghi posted:Morales was active in developing a nationalised lithium mining sector. You think US corps can buy cheap lithium when its not mined by near slaves ingenious people and sold for the benefit of a few rather than a country? I think that lithium is mined by enough countries that no one country can corner the market on lithium and control lithium prices. If Bolivia develops a lithium mining sector that wants to sell lithium above global prices, US companies can buy from Chile or Australia just as easily, both of which actually have functional lithium mines, unlike Bolivia which just has a bunch of unexploited lithium reserves. Here's Thea Riofranco's take on the issue from last year: https://twitter.com/triofrancos/status/1195052279478521861
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Jul 25, 2020 21:55
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Buying from Australia rather than Bolivia is a meaningless clarification. Commodity markets don't work like that. If Bolivia starts selling lithium cheaper on the international market, prices drop, regardless of where you buy it from.
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Jul 25, 2020 21:59
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Theres always people to explain, often with great arguments, that the USA dont need Bolivia's lithium, nor Venezuela's oil, and never needed anything from Iraq and so on But I figure all these coups and wars must be expensive, and we are to believe they keep doing it for a sincere worry about FREEDOM? Seems unlikely to me Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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Jul 26, 2020 12:30
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Elias_Maluco posted:Theres always people to explain, often with great arguments, that the USA dont need Bolivia's lithium, nor Venezuela's oil, and never needed anything from Iraq and so on there is an interesting discussion on this point. the FREEDOM thing is, of course, horseshit, but the economic benefits from knocking over south american countries have always been marginal at best. there is an ideological element at play, and the best explanation I've heard of it runs roughly as follows. postwar American foreign policy was defined by its total ideological opposition to communism, and it came in two flavors. you had the Friedmanites, who believed that bringing free markets to the third world would destroy the enemies of america forever, and if you had to gun down a bunch of them to get it rolling then so be it, and then you had the Dullesites, who believed that the only way to keep the lesser peoples of the earth in line was to have a bunch of the whitest, most christian landowners you could get your hands on fully empowered to brutalize their inferiors at will, and if free market reforms made that easier then sure, whatever, let's do it. the thing is, in the sixties and seventies the Dullesites had a bunch of domestically embarrassing overreaches, leading to the kinder, gentler school of free marketeers taking over, climaxing in their grand project in Iraq, which they completely pissed down their leg. Obama foreign policy heads did their best to put the ideology on life support- witness the glorious free market in human slaves in Libya, and Obama-backed champion of free enterprise Jair Bolsonaro- but the post-Iraq consensus is firmly agreed that the Friedmanites are full of poo poo, and that the free market is not only not a panacea, it is frequently actively harmful to our aims. and absent a compelling ideological countermovement, the only people in the American State Department with a solution to the problem of third-world countries not liking us are the Dullesites. look at the list of Obama's regime change attempts, they say. the only one that didn't collapse horribly was Egypt. the one where we broke the law to run guns to a military coup removing a democratically-elected government for not liking us. the concept "what if we -didn't- overthrow governments for being suspiciously left-wing" does not exist in their toolkits. and so, with that established, the only question remaining is if the coup should be soft, or hard. and the soft coup people have had a real bad twenty years.
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Jul 26, 2020 17:31
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Country that has orchestrated coups in order to set up bloodthirsty fascist dictatorships in every Latin American country that ever attempted to nationalize some sort of resource extraction had absolutely no reason to orchestrate a coup in a Latin American country that was setting up a nationalized lithium extraction, I insist.Elias_Maluco posted:But I figure all these coups and wars must be expensive, and we are to believe they keep doing it for a sincere worry about FREEDOM? Seems unlikely to me They're doing it pro bono, out of sheer love for bloodthirsty fascist dictatorships.
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Jul 26, 2020 20:42
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:there is an interesting discussion on this point. the FREEDOM thing is, of course, horseshit, but the economic benefits from knocking over south american countries have always been marginal at best. there is an ideological element at play, and the best explanation I've heard of it runs roughly as follows. Is there a text I can read about this?
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Jul 27, 2020 03:12
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Seems like Venezuela's joining in on the continent-wide loving over of indigenous people - they've removed direct election of native representatives in the National Assembly and replaced it with a delegate system where local 'community assemblies' nominate spokespeople to vote in a regional 'general assembly' to pick their representative. This is not a presently-existing structure, but something wholly new, and the odds on it being properly up and running by the elections this December are slim at best. It's also not obviously clear what the official reasoning is for making indigenous democracy in Venezuela much less direct.
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Jul 30, 2020 03:40
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Aug 4, 2020 17:45
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we couped some folks
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Aug 4, 2020 18:38
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he just...he tweeted it out
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Aug 4, 2020 19:06
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https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1290753291605942273
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Aug 4, 2020 22:18
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"what I hope will come to be known as Red Scare 3.0"
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Aug 4, 2020 23:37
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A couple months ago I used Meet Up to go to a weekly lunch at some Vegan Sandwich place. In the group I was placed right next to this yuppie guy from Mexico. He had very light skin and brown/black curly hair. He spoke about how he detested the cities in Mexico and how much he loved certain parts of the countryside with all of the nice humble non-materialistic people. He also had no idea what the 2008 recession was and stated that it didn't effect Mexico since he never knew about it.
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Aug 5, 2020 05:16
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The whole Chris Murphy tweet thread is amazing, not just the one tweet in the middle https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1290656452835713025 When the coup regime in Bolivia is finally pushed out again, I am looking forward to reading how that's Trumps fault, too, and how the democrats would have made sure that it sticks
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Aug 5, 2020 09:50
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One thing I was just thinking about. The decision by Bank of England early last month to declare Guaido the rightful owner of Venezuela’s gold worth a billion as the true president. That’s kinda proven to be bullshit by this recent admittance that Guaido is just an American puppet is it not?
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Aug 5, 2020 10:01
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https://twitter.com/DenisRogatyuk/status/1290363366712545281
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Aug 5, 2020 12:19
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Marenghi posted:One thing I was just thinking about. The decision by Bank of England early last month to declare Guaido the rightful owner of Venezuela’s gold worth a billion as the true president. That’s kinda proven to be bullshit by this recent admittance that Guaido is just an American puppet is it not? When europeans want to steal gold from the third world logical consistency in regards to the excuses being used is pretty low on the priority list
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https://twitter.com/bretgustafson/status/1291116672250793985 So, this guy was the head of the same paramilitary fascist group Camacho stems from...
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