TG as an Industry: A pendulum swing against the excesses of Rule 0 culture

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Comstar: Apr 20, 2007; Are you happy now?

gradenko_2000 posted:

im so tired

I have...so ,any questions.

What is the money? Souls I take it?

What are the streets?

What are the counters representing?

Are there house rules for the Commissar to shoot Guard officers or is it Space Marines only. I can only imagine the rules GW would apply to make the rules all broken, inconsistent and you need top buy a $80 rule book to play each character. Also, you can't play unless you bring a painted figure.

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Funzo: Dec 6, 2002

Comstar posted:

I have...so ,any questions.

What is the money? Souls I take it?

What are the streets?

What are the counters representing?

Are there house rules for the Commissar to shoot Guard officers or is it Space Marines only. I can only imagine the rules GW would apply to make the rules all broken, inconsistent and you need top buy a $80 rule book to play each character. Also, you can't play unless you bring a painted figure.

Codex: Thimble. MSRP $40

# ? Jul 20, 2020 15:18

BinaryDoubts: Jun 6, 2013; Looking at it now, it really is disgusting. The flesh is transparent. From the start, I had no idea if it would even make a clapping sound. So I diligently reproduced everything about human hands, the bones, joints, and muscles, and then made them slap each other pretty hard.

I assume the target audience for 40K Monopoly is parents who know their kid likes "those Warhammer toys" but doesn't know enough to actually buy them real minis. A truly heartbreaking Christmas gift.

# ? Jul 20, 2020 16:20

Punkinhead: Apr 2, 2015

BinaryDoubts posted:

I assume the target audience for 40K Monopoly is parents who know their kid likes "those Warhammer toys" but doesn't know enough to actually buy them real minis. A truly heartbreaking Christmas gift.

This is 100% how I got the Rick and Morty DnD box set abomination.

They knew I liked DnD and assumed that because I like King of the Hill so much I must love Rick and Morty too. :shrug:

# ? Jul 20, 2020 17:31

Notahippie: Feb 4, 2003; Kids, it's not cool to have Shane MacGowan teeth

Toph Bei Fong posted:

Feel like I should say a bit more than just driving by.

The underlying problem is that corporations exist to make money, above all other things. They have other effects, and may do other things, but their primary purpose, the purpose to which everything else can be subordinated or sacrificed, is to make money.

Hence, in the Ur-Example, a dude bro day trader who makes a million dollars for the company is worth more to the company than the secretary that he harasses. She gets fired, he gets protected. This is not moral, this is not ethical, this is not right. But this is how corporations function: there is "no incentive" to protect a minor worker who doesn't produce money for the shareholders. Companies pretty quickly adapted to the idea that women, LGBT+, and BIPOC people can also make money, but the entrenched ideals are the same -- Profit before People. The sort of people who own stock want to see it go up each quarter, and they're not going to be understanding about a 25% loss on their investment because the company did the ethical thing and gave everyone a raise.

This is true but incomplete.

The academic research - I can't be arsed right now to look it up but will if anybody wants to see it - suggests that making money sets the boundaries of decisions that managers can make, but businesses are still run by people and even the biggest and most rigid quarterly-profit-focused publicly traded company still has wiggle room in what a leader is able to do. Because of this, management decisions tend to follow and reflect the values of the people that run the company right up until those values are in tension with profit. Even then, a lot of managers will accept a value-consistent decision that has a shakier profit foundation than one that's value-inconsistent but clearer (e.g. there's a bit of motivated reasoning: a CEO won't sign off on a push to diversity where there's no claim at all that there's a profit motive, but if you show them some research suggesting it'll lead to better performance, etc then they may be willing to accept a theoretical link rather than pushing for a deep investigation of the claim if they already believe in the value of diversity).

To some degree this is pedantry, but I think it's important because I don't think activists should write off engaging with businesses and promoting values alongside a purely pressure-focused approach.

# ? Jul 20, 2020 18:55

Arthil: Feb 17, 2012; A Beard of Constant Sorrow

PinheadSlim posted:

This is 100% how I got the Rick and Morty DnD box set abomination.

They knew I liked DnD and assumed that because I like King of the Hill so much I must love Rick and Morty too.

Now I want a King of the Hill D&D box set.

# ? Jul 20, 2020 22:42

Eastmabl: Jan 29, 2019

Arthil posted:

Now I want a King of the Hill D&D box set.

Where Dale is the DM?

# ? Jul 20, 2020 22:51

BlackIronHeart: Aug 2, 2004; PROCEED

Dale would be the rules-lawyering min-maxer. Boomhauer is the DM.

# ? Jul 20, 2020 22:52

Jimbozig: Sep 30, 2003; I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

Peggy would be the DM and she would be BRUTAL

# ? Jul 21, 2020 01:22

Evil Mastermind: Apr 28, 2008

Peggy would be the type of GM who thinks they already know all the rules but constantly screws them up.

# ? Jul 21, 2020 02:14

Bieeanshee: Aug 21, 2000; Not keen on keening.; Grimey Drawer

thespaceinvader posted:

I googled it before posting.

I still refuse to believe this is real and not a glitch in the matrix or an elaborate practical joke.

I mean, of all the themes for Monopoly 'THERE IS ONLY WAR' is the one that least makes loving sense, including monopoly: socialism or whatever it was.

I dunno, I'm still scratching my head over the Doctor Who Monopoly I got for christmas years ago.

I mean, at least the Yahtzee came with a fun TARDIS rolling cup.

# ? Jul 21, 2020 04:49

Green Intern: Dec 29, 2008; Loon, Crazy and Laughable

Monopoly is a cruel joke Hasbro keeps pulling on us all, through misguided and/or desperation gift shopping at Target.

# ? Jul 21, 2020 04:52

Nuns with Guns: Jul 23, 2010; It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Peggy would absolutely yell 'HOOYAH!' while flinging her dice across the table

(rolling in public like any honorable DM should)

# ? Jul 21, 2020 05:29

Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

boomhauer i didn't understand a word of that, lousy elvish tongue

# ? Jul 21, 2020 05:32

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

Bill is the type to get super into roleplaying as he lets his imagination run rampant, to the growing distress of the other people at the table.

# ? Jul 21, 2020 12:06

CitizenKeen: Nov 13, 2003; easygoing pedant

Branded Monopoly == Scented Candles

"poo poo, I don't know what to get this person. Hey, they went to Auburn, I'll get them Auburnopoly!"

Bass Fishing Monopoly. Monopoly One Direction. Street Fighter Monopoly.

These aren't meant to be played, they're meant to be a $40 demonstration of luke-warm affection.

# ? Jul 21, 2020 16:42

Glagha: Oct 13, 2008; AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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I tell you what man the second you open the dang ol door you got like 30 got dam orcs starin you down like they got fire in them eyes an orcs got swords an axes an spears and it ain't no good roll initiative

# ? Jul 21, 2020 17:54

Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; _{Help a hero out!}

John Redcorn said he was helping Nancy make her character for the game... which is odd, since John Redcorn doesn't even own any dice.

# ? Jul 21, 2020 18:45

Pocky In My Pocket: Jan 27, 2005; Giant robots shouldn't fight!

CitizenKeen posted:

Branded Monopoly == Scented Candles

"poo poo, I don't know what to get this person. Hey, they went to Auburn, I'll get them Auburnopoly!"

Bass Fishing Monopoly. Monopoly One Direction. Street Fighter Monopoly.

These aren't meant to be played, they're meant to be a $40 demonstration of luke-warm affection.

I'd love to get scented candle gifts

# ? Jul 21, 2020 18:46

Tsilkani: Jul 28, 2013

Pocky In My Pocket posted:

I'd love to get scented candle gifts

Yeah, scented candles have value.

# ? Jul 21, 2020 19:14

Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

CitizenKeen posted:

These aren't meant to be played, they're meant to be a $40 demonstration of luke-warm affection.

i know how much you like *thing*!

# ? Jul 21, 2020 20:20

Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

and now bobby's got connie and joseph playing one of those weird "story games". that boy ain't right

# ? Jul 21, 2020 20:21

Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

dale is one of those 3.5 players who makes an incredibly questionable character and won't let anyone see his character sheet

# ? Jul 21, 2020 20:23

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

Countblanc posted:

John Redcorn said he was helping Nancy make her character for the game... which is odd, since John Redcorn doesn't even own any dice.

"Really, Hank! How long does it take to make a character? It's not even optimized!"

# ? Jul 21, 2020 21:08

whydirt: Apr 18, 2001; Gaz Posting Brigade

�Pyromancy and pyromancy accessories�

# ? Jul 21, 2020 21:19

Rip_Van_Winkle: Jul 21, 2011; "When life gives you ghosts, you make ghost-robots"

I think this is a philosophy we can all aspire to.

Cat Face Joe posted:

dale is one of those 3.5 players who makes an incredibly questionable character and won't let anyone see his character sheet

Dale is the extremely adversarial DM they kick out midway through the first session

# ? Jul 21, 2020 23:58

Nuns with Guns: Jul 23, 2010; It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

They invite Dale back in as a player and he rolls a "thief-mage" who won't stop trying to steal everything and claims to have "an undisclosed number" of contingency spells active all the time

# ? Jul 22, 2020 00:46

Arthil: Feb 17, 2012; A Beard of Constant Sorrow

My opinion of everyone in this thread has been improving as this continues.

Also, please. Help me. I could swear there was an edit of the fence lineup but they were all dressed in various fantasy cosplay.

# ? Jul 22, 2020 00:51

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

Nuns with Guns posted:

They invite Dale back in as a player and he rolls a "thief-mage" who won't stop trying to steal everything and claims to have "an undisclosed number" of contingency spells active all the time

"Got dang it, Dale, I told you you can't multiclass at the start."
"I have access to Gary's secret playtest documents that say I can!"

# ? Jul 22, 2020 01:02

Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

Dawgstar posted:

"Got dang it, Dale, I told you you can't multiclass at the start."
"I have access to Gary's secret playtest documents that say I can!"

they finally wrestle the three ring binder from him and all the pages are blank. Dale smiles smugly and points to his head.

"up here"

# ? Jul 22, 2020 01:12

Froghammer: Sep 8, 2012; Khajit has wares
if you have coin

Buck Strickland is an extremely angry powergamer who challenges the DM to a fistfight over the exact wording of Glitterdust

Kahn is the dude who gives entirely too graphic descriptions of how he murders orcs and goblins to the point where other players need to tell him that he's making them uncomfortable

Bobby only ever rolls Bard

# ? Jul 22, 2020 01:57

Nuns with Guns: Jul 23, 2010; It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Hank wins ownership of the first tavern they walk into during a lucky gambling roll and everyone becomes super invested in building new bar stools and tables from rare wood in the local forest. Peggy is miffed because this deviates from the massive manuscript she hand-typed up for the campaign over a sleepless weekend.

# ? Jul 22, 2020 02:13

Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

bill won't stop calling it the "terra-skew"

# ? Jul 22, 2020 02:17

GreenMetalSun: Oct 12, 2012

Glagha posted:

I tell you what man the second you open the dang ol door you got like 30 got dam orcs starin you down like they got fire in them eyes an orcs got swords an axes an spears and it ain't no good roll initiative

I can hear it in his voice.

# ? Jul 22, 2020 02:18

Nuns with Guns: Jul 23, 2010; It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Minh only plays tieflings

# ? Jul 22, 2020 02:20

Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

*cotton enters*

You boys is still paying that advanced dragons and dabnit?!

*hank sighs*

No dad, we are not playing dungeons and dragons, we play Pathfinder now.

*shows him book, cotton laughs*

well it all still sounds like nerd speak to me!

# ? Jul 22, 2020 02:26

Froghammer: Sep 8, 2012; Khajit has wares
if you have coin

Nuns with Guns posted:

Minh only plays tieflings

Minh has good taste

Also Cotton accuses anyone playing anything other than BECMI of being a Nazi trying to undermine the integrity of the hobby

# ? Jul 22, 2020 02:28

Haystack: Jan 23, 2005

Cotton as a historical wargamer who hates RPGs with a passion. Ostensibly it's because it corrupted a real man's hobby with all this froofy elf horseshit, but the episode reveals that it's actually due to a petty personal fight with Greg Stafford at Gencon '79.

Haystack fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jul 22, 2020

# ? Jul 22, 2020 03:03

Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

Haystack posted:

Cotton as a historical wargamer who is hates RPGs with a passion. Ostensibly it's because it corrupted a real man's hobby with all this froofy elf horseshit, but the episode reveals that it's actually due to a petty personal fight with Greg Stafford at Gencon '79.

close and goldmine

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Funzo: Dec 6, 2002

That's my Spellbook! I don't know you!

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