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Pizza Segregationist posted:Novel viruses occur naturally on a pretty regular schedule. One that spreads this aggressively arising a century after a comparable virus doesn't seem too unlikely, given that plenty of infectious disease specialists have warned about the possibility of a pandemic for a while. ah, but have you considered China Bad
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Jul 20, 2020 07:06
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We probably will have another new coronavirus outbreak in 20 years, considering the history and increasing interconnection of humanity. And all of us on this thread will be the prime age targets if you guys are still alive, and posting on r/cspam.
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Jul 20, 2020 08:17
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gradenko_2000 posted:and here's a piece on the Uyghur Human Rights Project: wait 2004 didnt the stabbing incident that made the camps into a thing happen in 2014 who even knew that ughyurs existed back then the only time it would have ever even come up was because they were the most infamous example of obviously innocent prisoners being held at camp gitmo .....oooohhhhhh
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Jul 20, 2020 15:54
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Grapplejack posted:There's zero way it was grown in a lab, if this entire thing has taught anyone anything it's that our understanding of viruses is extremely limited I did it
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Jul 20, 2020 17:45
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i actually read the article by the way and its amazing not only did the founding father of the world ughyur congress violently oppose miscegenation himself to the point of sending out thugs to beat miscegenators up and make then marry old muslim guys he was apparently an armenian genocide denier this only becomes funnier when you remember that turkey like pretty much any other muslim country anyone can think of is somewhere in between thinks the camps are overblown to thinks the camps are actually good on the rare occasion anyone bothers to ask them what they think about this rampant state sponsored antimuslim racism
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Jul 20, 2020 17:56
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Pretty sure that central Asian republics have very severe anti fundamentalist security laws. I wonder to what extent central Asian fundies poured over into China before 2017. Also, how did xinjiang in 2014 compare to say Kyrgyzstan’s
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Jul 20, 2020 18:32
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Xinjiang's native population has been problematic for China ever since it was conquered by the CCP in 1949. I don't think it will be a big issue for much longer because the native population gets more and more diluted every year by Han immigrants and state planning.
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Jul 20, 2020 21:22
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Currently super envious of those in mainland China getting to go about their own business and travel domestically and there being almost zero chance of infection. China has handled the virus excellently (note: after the initial stages of the outbreak). The quarantine systems in place are thorough and everyone is well protected in good quality PPE. The testing and medical results are all digitised and delivered to your smartphone. I'm in HK and it's a complete shitshow. Some people were exempted (all air crew) until early July and free to go around the city without any quarantine or even testing. These people likely sparked this current wave of infections. Some people get to quarantine at home with other family members who are free to roam around the city. Bus drivers to quarantine centres get only a surgical mask, everyone is lumped on the bus together. Didn't have the virus? You do now! My wife was quarantined in shenzhen and they drove people in cars individually to the quarantine hotel. She is now flying around mainland China doing meetings and having dinners with people while eating out is basically verboten in HK as the infections spread. If there is anywhere in the world I would choose to be right now it's mainland China as they took quarantine and lockdown seriously, and its people are currently reaping the benefits of that. Unfortunately China has a xenophobic policy of no foreigners at the moment, and who knows when this will end, despite the fact I am a permanent resident of HK (i.e. China!) I still can't enter the mainland, although my wife can because she has a HK passport alongside her HK ID.
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Jul 21, 2020 01:17
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:30 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Jul 21, 2020 02:52
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Yeah lots of countries have entry restrictions on foreigners, but I also am currently in a Chinese territory (I misread your post) I just think the blanket ban on foreigners, in this case, even those who are permanent residents of China, simply because of citizenship, is somewhat short-sighted. Anyway the main focus of my post was that I think China's response should be emulated across the world. I see lots of people talking about the "new normal", including here in HK, which is an assumption that we must all live with the virus, and then I look on wechat and my friends are in Xishuangbanna on holiday and have basically forgotten the virus even exists. It is possible to control and potentially eliminate the virus via a combination of strict lockdown and well-managed quarantine, and one presumes then set up travel bubbles between such territories. There's a lot of people who don't believe the China numbers and assume that the virus is still spreading there, but as far as I can tell that's just "China bad" level thinking. Rabelais D has issued a correction as of 03:11 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 03:03
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The authoritarian measures the CCP has put into place in an effort to curb the spread of COVID-19 sure are swell, and seem to be doing a great job of keeping the country safe! The authoritarian measures the CCP has put into place in an effort to curb the spread of COVID-19 that specifically inconvenience me, however, suck major rear end!
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Jul 21, 2020 03:42
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hes got u there
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Jul 21, 2020 04:07
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Hey, just checking in to say that earlier today I saw a report that stephenthinkpad was actually tino, and that tino (who I never heard of before today) had a threadban in this thread. I consulted another mod about this who was vaguely aware of the situation, and I was under the impression that tino (and thus also stephenthinkpad) was threadbanned here. Someone later pointed out to me that this was not the case, and that tino was threadbanned from the GBS China thread, not this thread. So, for the probe I gave, I apologize. Sorry, stephenthinkpad, this was bad modding on my part! I apologize sincerely for besmirching your rapsheet and this wrongful probe, please carry on. Also, someone made a false report, so I’ve made a note of that. twoday has issued a correction as of 04:24 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 04:10
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Yeah I was thread banned in the GBA thread. And I violated the thread ban warning and got banned because I was in China at that time (last winter) and couldn't use the desktop browser to read the warning. Anyway, no big deal. I didn't mind give lowtax some reg money so never complained. But I don't want to spend more money in this site now. I don't even bother to get the search and PM functions back. That guy came to this thread to stalk me was uncalled for. Also acting like I am suppoed to be ashamed of my "secret alt id" or something, gently caress that. I never said this is the tino id wink wink , because its just news discussion right, why do you care who I am? Unless you have an axe to grind as it turn out, and trying to "catch a communist deep agent". Anyway I will unbookmark the GBA thread. BTW I just want to point out something I have observed, the discourse between Chinese people and American people have gotten so bad in the last two years, you can't even have an normal China-US news topic discussion in a "mixed" forum anymore. You pretty get kicked out of Eng forum for having a "Chinese side" of opinion or trying to point out HK protesters were not all saints. I literally got 4-5 ids banned in resetera until I realized this was too stupid and moved most of my China topic discussion to Chinese language forums (china_irl n sometimes in a taiwanese forum). I went to high school n college in NY and my first online forum participation was talking about Titanic on rec.arts.current-movies. So I am used to express my opinion in English. But I guess it's gotten so bad nowadays I have to discuss most Chinese news topics in Chinese language with other oversea Chinese. I don't think its unique experience. A lot of Chinese complained getting kicked in r/china and r/geopolitics, or was it r/worldnews? I guess the online discourse got "decoupled" before the trade relationship. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 08:33 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 08:24
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twoday posted:Hey, just checking in to say that earlier today I saw a report that stephenthinkpad was actually tino, and that tino (who I never heard of before today) had a threadban in this thread. I consulted another mod about this who was vaguely aware of the situation, and I was under the impression that tino (and thus also stephenthinkpad) was threadbanned here. This whole derail has been absolutely pathetic. I guess if SA had competent mods then Lowtax would've been caught much sooner tho!
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Jul 21, 2020 08:50
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Rabelais D posted:Yeah lots of countries have entry restrictions on foreigners, but I also am currently in a Chinese territory They're letting in teachers from really prestigious International Schools in. The kind with actual teaching certifications, a Masters, and years, if not decades, of experience.
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Jul 21, 2020 10:45
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NaanViolence posted:Xinjiang's native population has been problematic for China ever since it was conquered by the CCP in 1949. I don't think it will be a big issue for much longer because the native population gets more and more diluted every year by Han immigrants and state planning. You clearly haven't been reading the thread very well. China's policy towards the Uighurs is distinct from settler colonialism due to the US or something
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Jul 21, 2020 17:26
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Jul 21, 2020 18:08
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sum posted:You clearly haven't been reading the thread very well. China's policy towards the Uighurs is distinct from settler colonialism due to the US or something It's distinct from settler-colonialism because China is not displacing a population and repopulating the land. Settler-colonialism is colonizing land while treating the people living on it as worthless, a nuisance to be eliminated. It's also an accusation you shouldn't make just to be edgy, because it's calling the civilians of the designated settled area participants in a genocide. Saying they're people who have to be politically disempowered and who don't need to be treated like neutral civilians by rebels or "liberators". At least calling a country fascist only implicates the state and its stormtroopers. Accusing a country of being settler-colonial is like accusing a person of being a predatory pedophile, you'd better be sure because you've just justified brutal extra-legal violence against them.
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Jul 21, 2020 19:33
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So to paraphrase your counterargument is that, yes China has been encouraging the settlement of Han in Xinjiang and yes they are imposing radical cultural changes through the construction of camps and residential schools, but you can't call that settler colonialism because that implies that it's bad
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Jul 21, 2020 20:00
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sum posted:So to paraphrase your counterargument is that, yes China has been encouraging the settlement of Han in Xinjiang and yes they are imposing radical cultural changes through the construction of camps and residential schools, but you can't call that settler colonialism because that implies that it's bad settler-colonialism is when chinese people move to another place in china
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Jul 21, 2020 20:23
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welcome back tino
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Jul 21, 2020 20:24
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uninterrupted posted:settler-colonialism is when chinese people move to another place in china Scholar-gentrification
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Jul 21, 2020 20:36
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uninterrupted posted:settler-colonialism is when chinese people move to another place in china Alaska has been part of the US longer than Xinjiang has been a province of China. F minus see me after class
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Jul 21, 2020 20:37
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Americans are literally incapable of comprehending a multiracial multicultural country that actually works.
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Jul 21, 2020 20:41
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Throatwarbler posted:Americans are literally incapable of comprehending a multiracial multicultural country that actually works. Do you think putting Uighur kids in guarded residential schools is good or bad
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Jul 21, 2020 20:45
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sum posted:Do you think putting Uighur kids in guarded residential schools is good or bad The US did res schools first
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Jul 21, 2020 20:48
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sum posted:Do you think putting Uighur kids in guarded residential schools is good or bad Um, actually you'll find that the US also put native children in boarding schools, so that makes it okay EDIT: beaten
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Jul 21, 2020 20:50
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~burning an lower case T on my new neighbors law cosplaying as a ghost with my friends~ "um actually, them moving into our neighborhood is settler-colonialism"
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Jul 21, 2020 21:04
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~pointing at a cage full of emanciated sexually assaulted children v close to the mexican border~ "settler-colonialists"
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Jul 21, 2020 21:05
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sum posted:So to paraphrase your counterargument is that, yes China has been encouraging the settlement of Han in Xinjiang and yes they are imposing radical cultural changes through the construction of camps and residential schools, but you can't call that settler colonialism because that implies that it's bad Residential schools? Seriously, China is now stealing young children from their families to raise them to find their cultures of origin totally alien? You're just inventing settler-colonialism based on superficial similarities that don't hold up as a whole. The cost of expanding the definition of settler-colonialism just to get to make China hot takes about China is that now Italy and Sweden have also been built on a settler-colonial basis, and either they have to be destroyed or alternatively settler-colonialism is actually not such a big deal and the Palestinians should be grateful for development. I'm assuming you're a fundamentally decent person that doesn't want to be a useful idiot for a propaganda campaign, mostly based on lies, aimed to justify potential ISIS-style poo poo perpetrated against ordinary Chinese civilians in advance. I'm in the "China bad" camp, I just think it's hosed up to treat it like some team you don't like in a spectator sport rather than actual people who deserve much better than hot takes that vilify them and justify violence on them. EDIT: Just to pre-empt another dishonest mischaracterization, I absolutely do not believe the Chinese propaganda story that they're just suppressing a terrorist threat. I'm saying the USA and the anticommunists in general support terrorists in China and are at work painting terrorist attacks against civilians as honest freedom fighting. uncop has issued a correction as of 21:18 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 21:05
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~korean taco place opens up a few blocks from me~ "genocide. ok, ok, soft genocide"
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Jul 21, 2020 21:09
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uncop posted:Residential schools? Seriously, China is now stealing young children from their families to raise them to find their cultures of origin totally alien? I'm assuming you're posting this out of ignorance but yes that is what is happening in Xinjiang uninterrupted posted:~burning an lower case T on my new neighbors law cosplaying as a ghost with my friends~ You never answered my question -- are the schools good or bad?
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Jul 21, 2020 21:17
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sum posted:Do you think putting Uighur kids in guarded residential schools is good or bad I would say they are clearly bad, but also, there isn't the evidence out there to make a solid judgment about the scale of what you are talking about. This story has gone on for years, and we have satellite photos of a re-education camp/jail and that video of prisoners being loaded on a train from an unspecified year. The Bellingcat story about the shrines was at least partially debunked. Otherwise, it has been unnamed intelligence sources, and even then it has been vague. In Soviet studies, scholars have to pour over tombs full of statistics to actually get a grasp of the Gulag system (also the picture in many ways is very different than we thought of in the 1970s), and even during wartime, the allies very much knew what was happening in Poland down to how the rail system interacted with the camps. So if you ask if kids going to forced residential schools is a good or bad thing, of course, it is bad thing. If you are saying that this is a broad phenomenon across Xinjiang society and we need to make a broad judgment about it, that is another thing since everyone knows what the geopolitics stakes in it are for the US. Btw, it doesn't mean something isn't happening, but there needs to be work done, if only in the name of some type of veracity. Also, as far as demographics, the demographics of Xinjiang have ebbed and flowed over the years but the Han that arrived in Xinjiang during the 1990s/early 2000s were generally agricultural workers, not landowners or settlers. In addition, during the 2010s, the demographics have moved in favor of the Uyghurs. Btw, a similar claim was made about ethnic Russians in the Baltic states, even though most of them were imported factory workers and often lived in a relatively inferior economic position versus Soviet Balts. --------------------- Second, also, there are very dark things the US government is actively doing in this country, we have full knowledge of and evidence and yet do absolutely about or really care. Hell, many posters actively cheer it on. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 21:29 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 21:18
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Jul 21, 2020 21:25
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white people suck imo
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Jul 21, 2020 21:28
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uninterrupted posted:~burning an lower case T on my new neighbors law cosplaying as a ghost with my friends~ uyghurs = kkk got it
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Jul 21, 2020 21:34
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Yes c-spam, the subforum known for its active love and support of the united state government. Gosh darn do I love me them feds. Somebody has issued a correction as of 21:40 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Jul 21, 2020 21:37
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uninterrupted posted:~pointing at a cage full of emanciated sexually assaulted children in xinjiang~
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Jul 21, 2020 21:39
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Benagain posted:Yes c-spam, the subforum known for its active love and support of the united state government. Gosh darn do I love me them feds. C-spam isn't all of SA btw. You should check GBS out some time.
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Jul 21, 2020 21:41
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