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Like. I can't give enough emphasis on how good of a thing it would be for left wingers across the country if Joe Biden unambiguously wins the election and Trump tries to stay in the white house. It will cause a constitutional crisis but it would be a black mark on right wing politics for a long time to come. If you think the riots over George Floyd are bad they'd be just the warmup for someone trying to play autocrat.
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I think Trump spinning a loss as "This election was a sham and a fraud, but to keep the rioting leftists from killing you all, I will graciously step down" is way more likely than him actually trying to stay in power. He'll frame himself as a martyr, keeping his base riled up and guaranteeing a somewhat-smaller, but still existent, spotlight on him at all times. It'll also throw a bone to his RWM supporters, giving them a decade's worth of rhetorical ammo. Trying to enter history as "the best president ever who was so unfairly screwed over" is probably the best thing for his legacy he can do. Sure, only about 30% of the country would believe that, but give it 25 years or so, and you'll see Democrats describing Trump as a good, moral man, just like with Reagan.
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I'll clarify my previous post that I really don't think he'll try to stay in power, but as Leofish posted:2016: "Trump isn't going to win." points out, there's been a lot of "oh, X can't happen" over the last four years and then everyone is shocked, just shocked when X happens.
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Not many people fought against right wing media better than Michael Brooks (of the Michael Brooks show and the majority report). He passed away yesterday, I feel gutted. I'll miss the maniacal laugh.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I'll clarify my previous post that I really don't think he'll try to stay in power, but as Everything Trump does, Trump does for Trump. Every X was Trump doing something for himself or as a favor to the GOP to maintain support. He doesn't gain anything from trying to stay in office when he can slip off, bluster, and take over Sarah Palin's TV show instead. The only reason he'd provoke a crisis is if he was convinced the alternative was worse, i.e. he'd be arrested if he left office.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The only reason he'd provoke a crisis is if he was convinced the alternative was worse, i.e. he'd be arrested if he left office. This is the only thing that has me a little worried. When faced with prison instead of years of grift... Backed into a corner, an animal would lash out.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Trump is an extremely unpopular president, and this unpopularity extends to the military as well. The secret service is also a branch that is typically apolitical. I mean. Cmon. The secret service has facilitated adultery for democratic and republican presidents. It's not beholden to Donald J. Trump. Oh, you sweet summer child.
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quote:Florida lawmaker Ted Yoho used crude and personal language to challenge New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez regarding her position on crime and policing outside of the US Capitol on Monday, The Hill reports. According to reporter Mike Lillis, Yoho called Ocasio-Cortez “disgusting,” and referred to her using other crude language. Rep. Ted Yoho’s office provided a statement to The Daily Caller, saying he did not call Rep. Ocasio-Cortez “any name." peak Florida Man energy https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1285585340925988872 NOTE: This Something Awful forums user (previously known as "The Blackest Goon") is a Person of Color who chose the current iteration of his username ironically after years of having his remaining brain cells all but fried after monitoring the rise of online reactionary ideologies for a decade. BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:give it 25 years or so, and you'll see Democrats describing Trump as a good, moral man, just like with Reagan. Optimistic. It didn’t even take a decade for W.
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FlamingLiberal posted:He can refuse the results all day, but unless the military decided to suddenly back him up it doesn’t matter. Yeah it's not like a high ranking members of the military wore fatigues and walked with him as he tear gassed protestors. Hey, isn't it against military code to wear uniform while working in a political fashion, say helping the president do a photo op? Good thing there isn't precedent for military to side with him over law or country already... pop fly to McGillicutty fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Trump is an extremely unpopular president, and this unpopularity extends to the military as well. The secret service is also a branch that is typically apolitical. I mean. Cmon. The secret service has facilitated adultery for democratic and republican presidents. It's not beholden to Donald J. Trump. This is all true but the 2 out of five american citizens that support him are loving rabid and just god damned weird about it. Reminds me of disgraced televangilists that go to jail, get totally exposed and then bounce back and continue grifting like they always did (Jim Bakker, Peter Poppoff, Swaggart). It's real similar. Put me down as Trump not going anywhere and he will continue to pull the GOP in a mAGA direction Crunch Buttsteak posted:I think Trump spinning a loss as "This election was a sham and a fraud, but to keep the rioting leftists from killing you all, I will graciously step down" is way more likely than him actually trying to stay in power. He'll frame himself as a martyr, keeping his base riled up and guaranteeing a somewhat-smaller, but still existent, spotlight on him at all times. It'll also throw a bone to his RWM supporters, giving them a decade's worth of rhetorical ammo. Bascially this BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:I think Trump spinning a loss as "This election was a sham and a fraud, but to keep the rioting leftists from killing you all, I will graciously step down" is way more likely than him actually trying to stay in power. He'll frame himself as a martyr, keeping his base riled up and guaranteeing a somewhat-smaller, but still existent, spotlight on him at all times. It'll also throw a bone to his RWM supporters, giving them a decade's worth of rhetorical ammo. Yeah I think no matter what happens, that last part is going to be true unless there's major changes. I would bet money on the consensus of his presidency being "well he was a bit crass, and his policies on minorities could have been better, but he did wonders for the economy and was so charismatic! we can't help but respect that he didn't let others tell him what to do etc etc"
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AIDS didn't affect the middle class and even the upper class the way COVID-19 is and will. You can much more easily spin and ignore a pandemic that primarily decimates a minority community you already hate than you can one that has cut a bloody swathe across the entire nation, pulling a 9/11 nearly twice a week in terms of bodies. Trump may or may not get the hatred and reviling he rightly deserves, but I do not think he will get the treatment Bush got, let alone the hagiography of Saint Reagan, the Eternal President. EDIT: I do want to clarify I absolutely think you can make the argument Reagan was worse than Trump. I just think Trumps crimes affect the 'right' people in the 'right' ways that they cannot be ignored and excused by liberals and centrists (but I repeat myself) the way Reagan's could. Without COVID-19 and Trump coming down hard and fast as an ally of the plague, maybe he could have gotten the Bush Jr. treatment, but there's just no way I can see anyone spinning this. RoboChrist 9000 fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Twitter makes it way more difficult for Trump to get the Bush treatment.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:AIDS didn't affect the middle class and even the upper class the way COVID-19 is and will. You can much more easily spin and ignore a pandemic that primarily decimates a minority community you already hate than you can one that has cut a bloody swathe across the entire nation, pulling a 9/11 nearly twice a weekend in terms of bodies. While I'm hoping you're right, I could easily see this being swung as some natural disaster that nothing could be done about, like an Earthquake or a Hurricane. It's how the right-wing has been hand-waving climate change, they can easily do the same with this. "Trump did the best he could, you can't blame him for a freak occurrence of nature!!"
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CodfishCartographer posted:While I'm hoping you're right, I could easily see this being swung as some natural disaster that nothing could be done about, like an Earthquake or a Hurricane. It's how the right-wing has been hand-waving climate change, they can easily do the same with this. "Trump did the best he could, you can't blame him for a freak occurrence of nature!!" Yet 9/11, AIDS and Katrina were god's vengeful punishment and wrath for gay people existing.
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No, a reporter didn't call Kayleigh McEnany a 'lying b**ch,' but Fox ran with it anywayquote:On Tuesday, some Twitter users accused Al Jazeera's Kimberly Halkett of muttering on a hot mic that McEnany is a "lying b**ch." That simply wasn't true. As Halkett wrote in a tweet, she actually told McEnany, after an exchange, "Okay, you don't want to engage." https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/media/kayleigh-mcenany-lying-kimberly-halkett/index.html So, you know. Just straight up making poo poo up
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Bit of an odd question, but has anyone here encountered the term "SOGI law" in any form of right wing media? My particular form of brain worms/low-grade self-harm means I listen to a lot of American Evangelical radio, and I've noticed that a few of them have been pushing the term "SOGI" (Pronounced "so-jee") to stand for "Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity". They'll loudly complain about the pushing of "SOGI rights" and then offer strategies on how to bring back traditional values and whatnot. Undoubtely, it's one of those invented terms that's meant to make it seem whatever they're talking about seem big and scary. A quick google points to the Family Research Council is the likely source of the term, and they're not exactly an unbiased source. I'm just wondering if that term has actually caught on outside of the Evangelical bubble, or if it's just going to be something Janet Mefferd whispers nefariously until she croaks.
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BiggerBoat posted:No, a reporter didn't call Kayleigh McEnany a 'lying b**ch,' but Fox ran with it anyway I'm sure they're doing it to try and both-sides the Republican rep very clearly, publicly, and in front of witnesses calling AOC a loving bitch.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Bit of an odd question, but has anyone here encountered the term "SOGI law" in any form of right wing media? It does sound like something pushed in Evangelical circles
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It's so they can get around being called transphobic sextet bastards.
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FilthyImp posted:It's so they can get around being called transphobic sextet bastards. Oh totally, it's them realizing that they need to obfuscate their homo- and transphobia even to their own audience now. I was just wondering if I should be expecting to hear it from Tucker Carlson anytime soon. For now it seems like one of those "Democrat Party" phrases, where it instantly identifies exactly what genre of chud the person who says it is.
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There's a human rights organization called the "Council of Europe" that has a page on SOGI rights. So I'm guessing this is some Agenda 21 malarky with godless (((globalists))) come to force the gay down your throat. E: There's a State Department page about them too. It seems oriented around creating safe environments for LGBTQ in schools and such. Literally anything that forces or even encourages schools to be better for their students is viewed as a direct threat by the 'moral majority' - not least because of the direct financial stake many movement leaders have in, uh, alternative schooling. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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Laura Ingraham has figured out why liberals really want to close schools. Fox guest says teachers are “grooming our children for sexual predators to use them” quote:REBECCA FRIEDRICHS: The unions are using the closure of our schools as a smokescreen. Laura, here's why. Sadly, these unions are actually using our schools to sexualize our children and to train them in anti-American ideology. They do this with a coalition of over 180 organizations, including, sadly, the CDC, Planned Parenthood, and Black Lives Matter incorporated.
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VitalSigns posted:Laura Ingraham has figured out why liberals really want to close schools. As a parent who has done online virtual classes, I can assure everyone here that I missed all that stuff. These loving people, man. IN other news, unrelated to RWM I guess, the Jacksonville RNC is cancelled so at least I don't have spend all day printing Donald Trump heads on foamcore. Yay me. I'll take it.
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VitalSigns posted:Laura Ingraham has figured out why liberals really want to close schools. If this is grounded in any sort of vague resemblance to reality then it's fear-mongering about sex ed. Same as it ever was.
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wizzardstaff posted:If this is grounded in any sort of vague resemblance to reality then it's fear-mongering about sex ed. Same as it ever was. And what's odd with their concern trolling about sex ed is that comprehensive sex ed actually covers issues like consent, meaning it actually helps prevent sexual abuse. This is especially true when they whinge about young children being taught "sex ed," because at the youngest ages it's about creating an awareness of what is and is not acceptable and what to do if you're the victim of something that makes you feel uncomfortable, explained in an age-appropriate fashion, not a point-by-point guide on How to gently caress.
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BiggerBoat posted:As a parent who has done online virtual classes, I can assure everyone here that I missed all that stuff.
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Ron Jeremy posted:https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1286308712756330499?s=21 Based on the headlines I see nothing about race or racism that he's drawing conclusions about
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pacerhimself posted:Based on the headlines I see nothing about race or racism that he's drawing conclusions about It's a good example of systemic racism: rich (see: white) people can afford to put their kids in small 'pod' homeschool classes with private teachers. Meanwhile families that have been redlined for generations can't/won't risk going to work while leaving their kids at home, thus perpetuating the cycle.
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Dr. Faustus posted:I saw it on the news walking out of the airport tonight and thought immediately of you and my first thought was, "Will BB's company get paid for all the Trump stuff they've been producing?" I mean that stuff is gross but I'd hate to see you guys get stiffed on that order on top of all the other poo poo. Knowing my boss and the chud managers around here, they'd probably produce that poo poo for free
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Tetrabor posted:It's a good example of systemic racism: rich (see: white) people can afford to put their kids in small 'pod' homeschool classes with private teachers. Meanwhile families that have been redlined for generations can't/won't risk going to work while leaving their kids at home, thus perpetuating the cycle. I fully understand the implications but it's telling that he uses it as part of his argument ('EVERYTHING is racist to these crazy leftists') and simultaneously pretends it doesn't exist.
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Yeah the right are experts at that. A friend listened to Peter Schiff on Joe Rogan recently, who is a libertarian rich guy. My friend asked me to help debunk him because "he was making a lot of sense" to someone he knew. His overarching theme is standard libertarian: Everything bad is the government's fault and private enterprise solves everything. Regulations kill business and businesses would always do the right thing if they just didn't have these mean regulations over them, including charity and fair wages. Meanwhile he tells the tale of how when the government distributed PPP a whole bunch of corrupt private businesses claimed funds by lying on the forms. But this is somehow still the government's fault because they didn't properly oversee the distribution. He even excused the businesses by saying "if the government says they're giving out free money, of course people are going to lie to get it". And then goes on to say he didn't get any because he would have had to lie on the form and he's too ethical for that. Never mind that policing the applications would require bigger government, and enforcement of regulations. And he doesn't see any contradiction in anything he's saying.
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BiggerBoat posted:Knowing my boss and the chud managers around here, they'd probably produce that poo poo for free that's probably how he ended up with the contract in the first place
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LloydDobler posted:Yeah the right are experts at that. Peter Schiff's dad died in prison for tax evasion lmao
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