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jesus WEP posted:no word of a lie i've already forgotten which spelling of [hv]ade [hv]ansen is correct wade wansen
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not much, wade wansen with you?
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Destroy My Sweater posted:Also around the same time I remember them bringing in a ~50-year-old Finlay who got a decent push (and at least a US title reign, if I recall). So bizarre. That was one of the few good things they did
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Jul 21, 2020 12:56
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Lamuella posted:And AEW just made a joke out of it. Because they don't have brain worms. I mean its not really going to hurt AEW that one of their wrestlers appeared in the crowd of the biggest wrestling company in the world.
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Jul 21, 2020 13:11
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forkboy84 posted:Kid Kash is one of the dudes whose careers makes no sense to me. He was mostly active from his WWE release until 2013, either in Southern indies or TNA, but no real reason he'd have not been a good, solid fit for ROH Kade Kansen
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Jul 21, 2020 15:18
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Hi, here are some questions: 1. Can someone explain the Bobby Lashley burgers image/meme? 2. Mr. Kennedy was supposedly canned from WWE for being unsafe to work with; were there ever any concerns from other workers while he worked in TNA/IMPACT? 3. Kevin Fertig originally debuted in WWE as Mordecai, a guy in all white who was a religious heel who talked about sins and punishing people I guess. That failed, so he returned a few years later as Kevin Thorn, a demon-type character in red and black. So. Has anyone else ever had two distinctly different characters that were pretty much the opposite of each other? 4. Taz(z) debuted in the WWF with an amazing start that fizzled out pretty quickly, and then he gained weight and feuded with Lawler... and yeah. Why didn't he fare better in the WWF? 5. Bobby Lashley seemed like a face with a future when he originally debuted over a decade ago. He couldn't really do interviews very well, but he was protected and booked well enough to get over (edit: I feel like Finlay worked very hard to make him look good). Back then, he seemed to stay near the top, while now, he seems like just another guy. Should he be an upper guy, or is he kind of where he belongs?
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Jul 21, 2020 21:08
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Red posted:4. Taz(z) debuted in the WWF with an amazing start that fizzled out pretty quickly, and then he gained weight and feuded with Lawler... and yeah. Why didn't he fare better in the WWF? Too short for Vince's tastes.
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Jul 21, 2020 21:10
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Too short, his neck was hosed up, and the 'E wasn't gonna allow him to drop everybody on their head with multiple suplexes every match
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Jul 21, 2020 21:18
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forkboy84 posted:Back half of the '00s Finlay just going out there & beating the gently caress out of dudes on Smackdown was so much fun. I don't think Kash really fit ROH's style for a long time. He also basically went ECW->TNA->WWE so there wasn't really a window until after his WWE run. And by then I think he was just kind of old news and his biggest run came as a shitheel tag wrestler in TNA so there was no real nostalgia for him or dream matches or anything.
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Jul 21, 2020 21:18
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Red posted:Hi, here are some questions: At No Mercy 2005, Lashley and comedic personal trainer gimmick Simon Dean had a match where the loser had to eat 30 cheeseburgers, helpfully provided at ringside. Lashley won then, as I recall, hit a Dominator into the burgers.
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Jul 21, 2020 21:20
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Red posted:Hi, here are some questions: So I can't answer your actual question but when Kevin Thorn debuted my memory is that rather than being a vampire he was a guy who was pretending to be a vampire? Like, that was his character, he was a weird dude with his tarot reading valet Ariel & they both had the gimmick of those weirdos in real life who drink blood & think they are vampires, presumably because they played too many White Wolf RPGs as a teen in the '90s. Or that's what my memory has, maybe I made it up.
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Jul 21, 2020 22:08
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Better than a ROCK BOTTOM ON THE DOG POOP
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Jul 21, 2020 22:09
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Red posted:5. Bobby Lashley seemed like a face with a future when he originally debuted over a decade ago. He couldn't really do interviews very well, but he was protected and booked well enough to get over (edit: I feel like Finlay worked very hard to make him look good). Back then, he seemed to stay near the top, while now, he seems like just another guy. Should he be an upper guy, or is he kind of where he belongs? The way I see it, Bobby Lashley generally has the skills to be at least upper-midcard. His TNA run wasn't perfect by any means, but it proved he can do good work as a quiet-but-powerful MMA rear end in a top hat. The problem is that WWE just... had him come back as a smiley babyface who spoke for himself which everyone already knew he was bad at, and then just slotted him into the generic heel slot once that failed and they got tired of using Lio Rush? I know answering this kind of question with "WWE is bad" is kind of cheap, but sometimes WWE is just bad.
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Jul 21, 2020 22:22
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WWE is bad in a very odd way, honestly. Most companies would stop hiring/pushing talent that can't talk on their own if they weren't willing to use mouthpieces. WWE... just keeps pushing them and is baffled when they flounder.
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Jul 21, 2020 22:37
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Red posted:Has anyone else ever had two distinctly different characters that were pretty much the opposite of each other? Not sure about opposites, but Scotty Flamingo and Johnny Polo were very different characters from Raven.
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Jul 21, 2020 23:07
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Monster Kane and Corporate Kane?
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Jul 21, 2020 23:18
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Steve Keirn of The Fabulous Ones was a very different character than Skinner
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Jul 21, 2020 23:21
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Red posted:3. Kevin Fertig originally debuted in WWE as Mordecai, a guy in all white who was a religious heel who talked about sins and punishing people I guess. That failed, so he returned a few years later as Kevin Thorn, a demon-type character in red and black. So. Has anyone else ever had two distinctly different characters that were pretty much the opposite of each other? basicallly everyone in the 'Right to Censor' stable in the WWF had previously been a part of some sort of raunchy or 'unsuitable' gimmicks and angles before then. except for bull buchanan and technically stevie richards as long as we're only talking gimmicks in the same company. the stable was a lovely parody of the PTC and were all really stuck up morality police. yet val venis was a porn star, the goodfather was a pimp, and ivory was part of a stable where they constantly had a lot of sex with a man called meat who was a sex object to them, and were very mean on purpose.
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Jul 21, 2020 23:24
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I still love the RTC, especially the way they went about recruiting members. I just wish they would have pushed loving anyone in the stable.
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Jul 21, 2020 23:30
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Cavauro posted:basicallly everyone in the 'Right to Censor' stable in the WWF had previously been a part of some sort of raunchy or 'unsuitable' gimmicks and angles before then. except for bull buchanan and technically stevie richards as long as we're only talking gimmicks in the same company. the stable was a lovely parody of the PTC and were all really stuck up morality police. yet val venis was a porn star, the goodfather was a pimp, and ivory was part of a stable where they constantly had a lot of sex with a man called meat who was a sex object to them, and were very mean on purpose. wait, I think the Pretty Mean Sisters were Jacqueline and Terri Runnels, weren't they? but Ivory did make her WWE debut as one of Godfather's prostitutes, so it still tracks
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Jul 21, 2020 23:32
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i hosed up bad. ivory was in a short angle against them and i mixed that up with being in it
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Jul 21, 2020 23:35
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Red posted:3. Kevin Fertig originally debuted in WWE as Mordecai, a guy in all white who was a religious heel who talked about sins and punishing people I guess. That failed, so he returned a few years later as Kevin Thorn, a demon-type character in red and black. So. Has anyone else ever had two distinctly different characters that were pretty much the opposite of each other? Luke Gallows did. Went from seriously mentally challenged monster to a member of Punk's straight-edge society in like, a 6-month span.
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Jul 21, 2020 23:36
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Also Abyss and Joseph Park
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Kane went from playing Big Sexy The Giant Killer to Kane, a man who was unlovable due to how hideous and scarred he was.
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IronCladBurrito posted:Luke Gallows did. Went from seriously mentally challenged monster to a member of Punk's straight-edge society in like, a 6-month span. He was said to be the same person, though, just off the drugs what's his name had him on
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Jul 22, 2020 00:05
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I still love the RTC, especially the way they went about recruiting members. I just wish they would have pushed loving anyone in the stable. Stevie was getting more heat than drat near anybody doing that 
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Jul 22, 2020 00:06
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What's the worst gimmick to get over, such that it stands as an indictment of us as wrestling fans?
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Jul 22, 2020 00:48
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What's the worst gimmick to get over, such that it stands as an indictment of us as wrestling fans? Eugene was popular
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What's the worst gimmick to get over, such that it stands as an indictment of us as wrestling fans? Zach Ryder, Ryback, Braun
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What's the worst gimmick to get over, such that it stands as an indictment of us as wrestling fans? honestly, Undertaker is dumb as poo poo
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Jul 22, 2020 00:52
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Davros1 posted:Eugene was popular Related, I'm not sure if Norman the Lunatic's face roles later were a Eugene esque exploitation or not. Like was Trucker Norman just a trucker or Norman the Lunatic *thinking* he was a trucker?
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Jul 22, 2020 00:53
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What's the worst gimmick to get over, such that it stands as an indictment of us as wrestling fans? Matt Hardy slut-shaming Lita during the Edge feud
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Jul 22, 2020 00:53
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Red posted:3. Kevin Fertig originally debuted in WWE as Mordecai, a guy in all white who was a religious heel who talked about sins and punishing people I guess. That failed, so he returned a few years later as Kevin Thorn, a demon-type character in red and black. So. Has anyone else ever had two distinctly different characters that were pretty much the opposite of each other? Probably Barry Darsow.
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Jul 22, 2020 00:55
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Benne posted:Matt Hardy slut-shaming Lita during the Edge feud I revisited him calling into that show Lita was on and it’s horribly creepy and abusive to be honest.
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Jul 22, 2020 00:56
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Related, I'm not sure if Norman the Lunatic's face roles later were a Eugene esque exploitation or not. Like was Trucker Norman just a trucker or Norman the Lunatic *thinking* he was a trucker? Norman became a trucker
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What's the worst gimmick to get over, such that it stands as an indictment of us as wrestling fans? Kamala?
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forkboy84 posted:So I can't answer your actual question but when Kevin Thorn debuted my memory is that rather than being a vampire he was a guy who was pretending to be a vampire? Like, that was his character, he was a weird dude with his tarot reading valet Ariel & they both had the gimmick of those weirdos in real life who drink blood & think they are vampires, presumably because they played too many White Wolf RPGs as a teen in the '90s. Or that's what my memory has, maybe I made it up. No that's Gangrel who lived a "gothic lifestyle". I'm watching old WWECW episodes and Thorn is specifically referred to as a vampire. They don't even give him a ring name in his first match, it's next week Ariel names him Kevin Thorn in a vignette. Taz calls him the Vampire Guy. Red posted:3. Kevin Fertig originally debuted in WWE as Mordecai, a guy in all white who was a religious heel who talked about sins and punishing people I guess. That failed, so he returned a few years later as Kevin Thorn, a demon-type character in red and black. So. Has anyone else ever had two distinctly different characters that were pretty much the opposite of each other? Papa Shango being a witch doctor and Kama being an MMA fighter are pretty distant. I guess so are a Nation of Islam/Black Panthers soldier and a flamboyant pimp so Charles Wright was all over the spectrum.
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Davros1 posted:Norman became a trucker I guess that explains why he was so fixated on those keys
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Rusty Shackelford posted:Monster Kane and Corporate Kane? Well, but that's just different shades of the same character. Like Rick Martel as a pretty boy face turning into a cocky heel model. I was thinking more like a Dentist who became the Undertaker's brother, I guess. Randaconda posted:Stevie was getting more heat than drat near anybody doing that How much of his heat was just the alarm noise?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:What's the worst gimmick to get over, such that it stands as an indictment of us as wrestling fans? It's probably going to be pretty hard to top Eugene, but one that was brought up here recently that springs to mind is the Voodoo Kin Mafia during their feud with Christy Hemme. In the eyes of many non-fans (and some actual fans as well) some dodgy deathmatch/garbage wrestling guys would probably apply too. New Jack or Ian Rotten or someone, idk.
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