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An interesting thing about pre-war Germany was one of the ways the largely urban Nazi party won over the rural population was through an animal breeding program, which obviously had its connections to their core ideology. So you'd have these hick rear end Germans showing up to these rallies and sure they might be impressed by all the pomp and ceremony but what really blew their minds were these HUGE loving cows the Nazi's had bred.
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BIG TIT LIL NIP posted:imagine being a farmer in rural germany 1933 and rolling up to one of hitlers rallies for the first time. *farm is eminent domained to make way for an autobahn* *the complaints department of the third reich zoning buerau is just one guy pointing a gun at you* *the bahn gets built* *the bahn gets bombed* *the autobahn is forever mentioned as the one good thing about nazis* Jürgen the farmer is loving pissed off about autobahns
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loving lmao of your country didn't stay out of that poo poo to sell steel, ballbearings and other knickknack to all the warring parties
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Cowardice is actually Cleverness. We're just being clever  - Sweden during WW2
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I love how some swedish nobodies came to fight for the finns in the winter war but then england stole their thunder by sending christopher lee lmao
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Icochet posted:I love how some swedish nobodies came to fight for the finns in the winter war but then england stole their thunder by sending christopher lee lmao lmao what won't the british steal? nothing, their greed is bottomless
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When the Second World War broke out, [Christopher] Lee volunteered to fight for the Finnish forces during the Winter War in 1939.[38] He and other British volunteers were kept away from actual fighting, but they were issued winter gear and were posted on guard duty a safe distance from the front lines. After two weeks, they returned home.[39]
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Gargamel Gibson posted:When the Second World War broke out, [Christopher] Lee volunteered to fight for the Finnish forces during the Winter War in 1939.[38] He and other British volunteers were kept away from actual fighting, but they were issued winter gear and were posted on guard duty a safe distance from the front lines. After two weeks, they returned home.[39] Obviously Saruman doesn't fight in the front lines. He upgraded the finnish bog orcs into uruk hai who of course lost the war but not as badly as standard orcs would have. One time the soviets even thought meat was back on the menu when they tried to steal the orc soup in the Sausage war
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Just chimed in to say Ghosts of The Osfront by Dan Carlin was very good and you should all listen to it. Also, “Supernova in the East”, which I guess he’ll finish in 2052.
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Remember when Finland joined the Axis (under their leader, a tsarist general, mass murderer, and pal of Hitler, also voted Greatest Finn of All Time) and we all collectively decided to forget about it because, idk, Finland is honorarily Western? e: americans can give a special shout-out to the greatest Finn of the New World, Lauri Törni, who was so heroic that he left the finnish army for the SS before finally coming home to die as an american patriot defending freedom in Vietnam. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Zzulu posted:Cowardice is actually Cleverness. We're just being clever Lmao we would have been owned harder then Denmark, and Denmark got owned so badly they still practice Nazi ideology
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Remember when Finland joined the Axis (under their leader, a tsarist general, mass murderer, and pal of Hitler, also voted Greatest Finn of All Time) and we all collectively decided to forget about it because, idk, Finland is honorarily Western? Yup. But we in finland have these terms called "Separate War" and "Driftwood Theory" because obviously we can't be bothered about what others did during in that whole sordid WW2 business and nothing we did was our fault. There's no denying that german assistance was pretty crucial in repelling the soviets. And getting invaded by the Soviet "Stalin" Union wasn't exactly great. But high-fiving the motherfucking führer does look bad when some bothersome historian brings it up
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the Finns did ally with the Germans, but they also went to war with the Germans so it's kind of a wash.
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thatbastardken posted:the Finns did ally with the Germans, but they also went to war with the Germans so it's kind of a wash. France and Romania were running the largest allied armies outside of the big 3 in Europe, by the end of the thing, but nobody defends them.
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thatbastardken posted:the Finns did ally with the Germans, but they also went to war with the Germans so it's kind of a wash. Tbf that was because we had already surrendered to the Soviets and they told us to drive the germans out. Not saying it wasn't a good idea tho.
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aphid_licker posted:e: some vintage crack ping Pantherchat: here's what superior genius nazi Krupp Stahl did even when it prevented penetration. The crew probably died because of spalling, or in other words, they got hit with a shitton of metal splinters from their armour cracking even though the tank was mostly ok. It seems like a bad way to die. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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twistedmentat posted:OKay, my top 5 WW2 Tanks (and other AFVs)! The churchill is a lovely tank and the hetzer is a worse stug. No b1 bis on your list means I have to downvote you.
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buglord posted:Babyland is Poland because it suffered as a result of mommyland and daddyland fighting over who takes weekend custody of it 
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Dont Touch ME posted:No b1 bis on your list means I have to downvote you.  the most beautiful tank that ever is, was, or will be. also scared the poo poo out of early confident nazis.
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im just going to say whoever decided to make war machines sexy was jacked in the head hombre
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If the T34 isn't no 1 on your list I don't even wanna talk to you
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Slotducks posted:If the T34 isn't no 1 on your list I don't even wanna talk to you T34s were very practical, cheap, and effective, but the actual list topper is just blowing up all the Nazis' poo poo with a child's drawing of a tank brought to life 
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Qvark posted:Lmao we would have been owned harder then Denmark, and Denmark got owned so badly they still practice Nazi ideology Yeah, it was cleverness, not cowardice
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Chillgamesh posted:T34s were very practical, cheap, and effective, but the actual list topper is just blowing up all the Nazis' poo poo with a child's drawing of a tank brought to life KV-1 cheesebox with 155mm howitzer. AKA the World of Tanks Trolltank. Why is Sherman JAMBO not on that list
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One of my favourite war anecdotes was when USSR was advancing in Germany, a German garrison guarding some Danish island went and surrendered to the local postman because he was the only Danish government official they could find and they tried to avoid being captured by the russians.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:
Too bad the French thought they were fighting WW1 again and only deployed them with infantry rather than organizing them into Tank Divisions. Also best tanks Germans had during the invasion of France where the Czech tanks. And if you don't like my list, make your own!
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Zzulu posted:Yeah, it was cleverness, not cowardice Sorry Sweden wasn't invaded by Germany I guess 
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north sentinel island has never lost a war
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I know it's an off chance that anyone reading this doesn't know about Forgotten Weapons, but it's seriously top ten best Youtube channels. The host, Ian, is a really chill and knowledgeable guy. He doesn't make up bullshit off the top of his head like every other gun channel, and he focuses entirely on gun history and mechanics, only bringing up politics when it's part of a weapon's historical background, or when it comes to preserving historical pieces. My mom and sister used to be terrified of guns, but his videos really demystified firearms for them, and now they like joining me and my father at the range. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrfKGpvbEQXcbe68dzXgJuA
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Anybody know the casualty rate for tank crews? Dying in a tank seems like a total nightmare.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Well I think the date of Well's death is debatable but historians give numerous dates and I think the 1928 date is the one supported by the most evidence. Regardless the German failure to occupy Britain owed far more to their lack of ships to ferry their planes across the English Channel - which yes was partly due to much of the German navy being diverted to the eastern front. And also the German Navy being rear end aside from their submarines Bleusilences posted:I watched a Netflix documentary about WW2 and they were saying that the bomb did have much influence on the Japanese leadership to surrender to the American. It was when the Russian tried to invade them that they choose what they saw as the lesser of two evil. This is a revisionist angle that requires ignoring the Japanese literally saying "yeah we're surrending cuz of the bombs, we don't want to get hit with more" IMO the only thing more irritating than Wehrmach fetishization is Red Army fetishization
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PTSDeedly Do posted:Anybody know the casualty rate for tank crews? Dying in a tank seems like a total nightmare. Individually they weren't more dangerous than being anywhere else in a combat role in WW2. For both the US and USSR, most tanks got hit and killed without any crew dying. (which contributes to the nazi myth- a Sherman or T-34 that gets hit, and then the crew bails out, and then the crew get back in it a week later, is dead. One tank and one crew get counted as killed many times. Meanwhile a nazi tank isn't recorded as killed until it's a rusting hulk 100 kilometres from the front.) When tanks actually did go sour, it was extremely bad though. Total nightmare is right. Something like more than half of KIA Sherman crewman died in tanks that were on fire. (Not because the Sherman was prone to catching on fire, just when it did, it's bad to be in one. It wasn't a "ronson") twistedmentat posted:Too bad the French thought they were fighting WW1 again and only deployed them with infantry rather than organizing them into Tank Divisions. Also best tanks Germans had during the invasion of France where the Czech tanks. That is a bad take! Like at Hannut, where the french DLMs and the german panzer divions punched it out, the DLMs proved superior. They had to turn around and compromise themselves because of the breakout in the Ardennes. The french army failed because Hitler and friends gambled and no one stood up to the allied high command even when there was factual proof of the Ardennes traffic jam. France and Germany were both fielding armoured divisions, though, and France's won. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jul 21, 2020 |
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Plan Z posted:I know it's an off chance that anyone reading this doesn't know about Forgotten Weapons, but it's seriously top ten best Youtube channels. The host, Ian, is a really chill and knowledgeable guy. He doesn't make up bullshit off the top of his head like every other gun channel, and he focuses entirely on gun history and mechanics, only bringing up politics when it's part of a weapon's historical background, or when it comes to preserving historical pieces. My mom and sister used to be terrified of guns, but his videos really demystified firearms for them, and now they like joining me and my father at the range. I really enjoyed his video about how the auctions work. Never really thought how it all worked before so it was cool that he made a video showing the process. He is a really good speaker as well, which helps a lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQTy0WqQhYY
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mulligan posted:Just chimed in to say Ghosts of The Osfront by Dan Carlin was very good and you should all listen to it. Ghosts of the Ostfront and Supernova In The East sound really dumb, like embarrassing. Isnt that guy basically Joe Rogan but for tanks and roman legions
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I have always wondered what would be worse, dying in a tank or in a submarine.
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twistedmentat posted:I have always wondered what would be worse, dying in a tank or in a submarine. You should read the autobiography of Hans-Ulrich Rudel who did both.
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Julius CSAR posted:Ghosts of the Ostfront and Supernova In The East sound really dumb, like embarrassing. Oh is that salty Csar guy who scoffs at everything like an rear end in a top hat. They are interesting history podcasts where you can listen and investigate and corroborate if you don't agree with some of the historians he references. Your snark is annoying as hell and honestly, whatever, poo poo on him, I and millions of others enjoy his podcasts.
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Julius CSAR posted:
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twistedmentat posted:I have always wondered what would be worse, dying in a tank or in a submarine. It would probably depend on the circumstances
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Julius CSAR posted:Ghosts of the Ostfront and Supernova In The East sound really dumb, like embarrassing. Maybe like in manner of of speaking and broad appeal. Like I can see either catering to the SpikeTV dad crowd. Dan Carlin doesnt seem to do with Joe Rogan does and invite alt right defenders on to his podcasts though.
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