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It makes sense for video game protagonists to be as bland and generic as possible - you want the widest possible audience to be able to project themselves into the character, which is tough if the character has a bunch of very specific quirks or characteristics. There has be a point of diminishing returns on that, though. I can't be the only person who is very, very tired of playing grizzled dudes who communicate entirely in quippy/badass one-liners.
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I can kinda understand it for a video game, but I have a really hard time understanding a headspace where I'd want to watch non-interactive entertainment with an unsalted ricecracker as the protagonist.
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Jul 22, 2020 21:27
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FMguru posted:There has be a point of diminishing returns on that, though. I can't be the only person who is very, very tired of playing grizzled dudes who communicate entirely in quippy/badass one-liners. Likely you aren't (I mean, I know I am and I'm saying this as a semi-grizzled white dude myself) but as the recent UbiSoft drama shows even getting something as relatively simple as a female protagonist is often stamped down by the highest levels in the development company.
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Jul 22, 2020 21:52
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I've missed that, what's going on with Ubisoft this time?
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paradoxGentleman posted:I've missed that, what's going on with Ubisoft this time? Whole lotta sexual misconduct.
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paradoxGentleman posted:I've missed that, what's going on with Ubisoft this time?
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Jul 22, 2020 22:24
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What's Midoriya's power? He can punch real hard and he never gets the memo about Bakugo. Who gives a poo poo. Now meanwhile Froppy, the most interesting character in the world, has lots of powers that I will detail here in my...
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Jul 22, 2020 22:26
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paradoxGentleman posted:I've missed that, what's going on with Ubisoft this time? Sexual harassment issues on a massive scale. Cover ups of sexual assault. HR basically doing whatever they could to enable abusers and cover poo poo up. Not a one or two bad apples thing but like every layer of management is mostly rotten level bad.
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Also heaps of hideous racism and stupid decisions made by these men that marginalized people did their damnedest to reign in and lost their jobs over, in and outside of game design.
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Jul 22, 2020 22:40
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Thomamelas posted:HR basically doing whatever they could to enable abusers and cover poo poo up. I wonder if the guy who threatened to quit and take his team with him if the CEO didn't stop denouncing sexism actually followed through.
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theironjef posted:weirdly overdetailed modern setting where Reagan is a Roman-style Emperor and a bunch of other stuff occurred waiting on the part of this that's a fantasy setting
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Terrible Opinions posted:I can kinda understand it for a video game, but I have a really hard time understanding a headspace where I'd want to watch non-interactive entertainment with an unsalted ricecracker as the protagonist. Harem anime starts out as a bad genre translation and the anime industry being frequently as risk averse as Hollywood while wanting to produce episodes like a 90s tv show looking for syndication. Start with a visual novel - essentially an electronic choose your own adventure starring a character who starts out as a barely salted ricecracker and some slightly mobile illustrations. We're going to instead use Mass Effect because more people have heard of it and because Commander Shepherd is a lightly salted ricecracker. Your personal Shepherd may have had a decent character because of their choices - but Shep as written needs to be able to cope with every possible choice. First our cheap anime studio is delighted to get the license to a moderately successful visual novel. That novel has fans that will watch for no other reason than they are fans, and the writing is at least not too cringeworthy and can get an audience. This, of course, is the same reason Hollywood is so keen on adaptions and remakes - there's a known market, lowering the risk that the thing will get no traction at all.Then come two different problems which have the same bad solution. The first is that in a visual novel you make choices, and in particular romance choices make your character yours and give them some personality - and no one wants the adaption to be a completely different character than theirs. The second is these anime studios are cheap and want to produce a lot of content for the cost. The simple way is that you write all the options. Yes, all of them. So in the anime adaptation of Mass Effect Shepherd would have romanced Liara, Ashley, Tali, Miranda, Jack, Samara, Kelly, Diana Allers, and probably Morinth and some version of Thane that's been made female. I mean you've got all the dialogue already written, which gives you more content. You've also managed to avoid disappointing anyone who wanted to see their favourite romance in full anime rather than simply static images. And ... you've turned your protagonist into someone who because they make all decisions doesn't really make any decision and certainly doesn't really have a type. And that's how you end up with an unsalted ricecracker of a protagonist. And then you let it go on long enough and this entire mess becomes its own genre.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Jesus that's a hostile thread. I mean that happens when the OP gets really hostile and defensive themselves.
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What companies publish their rules in ePub or Kindle formats? My eyes are really starting to go and my default way of reading RPG material these days has been printing out 6x9 PDFs at 8.5x11, but I would like to try using my Kindle to do some RPG reading in large print and inverted colors.
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Jenna Moran's stuff is mostly available in very good ePub (because I do those myself), except for Glitch because I haven't finished that one yet. Honestly, availability of ePubs outside of that is both scattershot and poor quality. I'm not aware of a single RPG ePub for sale, other than the ones I made myself, that I'd call better than "mediocre." (It's very easy to get inDesign to spit out a mediocre ePub from your PDF layout files. It takes a fair amount of work to make a decent one, and so far the only person doing it is me, the person who buys old paperbacks and cuts them apart so he can scan them in and get decent ebooks of things he wants to read.)
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neonchameleon posted:And then you let it go on long enough and this entire mess becomes its own genre.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Yeah I get why they do it, I just don't get why people respond positively. It's like running into people who liked Terminator Salvation. Why wouldn’t you like an entire movie of the dark apocalypse future from the previous Terminator films? Robots got punched, including Arnie, time shenanigans happened. I’m not sure what else you expect from that franchise? I guess it was missing some one-liners? e: like it wasn’t an AMAZING movie don’t get me wrong but for a Terminator movie it delivered exactly what I was expecting. Arivia fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jul 23, 2020 |
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Arivia posted:Why wouldn’t you like an entire movie of the dark apocalypse future from the previous Terminator films? Robots got punched, including Arnie, time shenanigans happened. I’m not sure what else you expect from that franchise? I guess it was missing some one-liners? Which presumably also describes the success of harem animes, they're exactly what people expect and it's a certain kind of escapism. I think it's unfortunate when that sort of stuff predominates, but I think most of us have something that's not good art that we enjoy on some level. As usual the problem is capitalism and how it creates incentives that leave other needs frequently unfulfilled. If everyone who wanted to make whatever creative thing they wanted to could make it, it wouldn't really matter how many harem animes there were so long as you could find the stuff you like. (That latter being the fanfic problem.)
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Terminators a bad analogy because it's a about fighting time traveling robots from the year 20XX so if you just make a movie about that you're not really hurting anyone aside from people who walk into it expecting some Oscar hunting film. Harem anime and light novels are legitimately bad because they are a male power fantasy that hinges on a group of women who are bundles of sexually attractive physical and personality traits that are utterly devoted to the audience stand in. Generic gruff swordy adultman who saves the day reluctantly and sleeps with the babes might not be pushing the state of literature forward but at least they're not actively trying to be regressive like harem garbage that sells stupidly well.
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Eej posted:Terminators a bad analogy because it's a about fighting time traveling robots from the year 20XX so if you just make a movie about that you're not really hurting anyone aside from people who walk into it expecting some Oscar hunting film. Harem anime and light novels are legitimately bad because they are a male power fantasy that hinges on a group of women who are bundles of sexually attractive physical and personality traits that are utterly devoted to the audience stand in. Michael Bay movies, then.
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My limited understanding of anime genres suggests there must, as well, be a genre about a dull and painfully normal girl surrounded by extremely handsome boys that somehow are all interested in her.
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There kinda are, but they usually have more poo poo about the main girl's actual inner life. Just enough to make her a character rather than a cardboard standy.
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Lemon-Lime posted:I wonder if the guy who threatened to quit and take his team with him if the CEO didn't stop denouncing sexism actually followed through. I know their global head of HR stepped down. Jesus Christ, what a complete departmental failure.
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Arthil posted:My limited understanding of anime genres suggests there must, as well, be a genre about a dull and painfully normal girl surrounded by extremely handsome boys that somehow are all interested in her. Yes. It;s called reverse harem.
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Thomamelas posted:I know their global head of HR stepped down. Jesus Christ, what a complete departmental failure. It's always worth remembering that HR exists to protect the company, not the employees, so this was really working as designed.
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admanb posted:Michael Bay movies, then. I mean that's an entirely different angle of sinister considering the US Military helps him out
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Eej posted:I mean that's an entirely different angle of sinister considering the US Military helps him out Now be fair, they're still also extremely socially regressive with regards to women. One of the Transformers movies has an extended sequence about how Marky Mark's daughter is in a relationship with an older man and it's legal because of Texas' Romeo & Juliet law. And there's no payoff, just 'yup, I can do it!'
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Dawgstar posted:Now be fair, they're still also extremely socially regressive with regards to women. One of the Transformers movies has an extended sequence about how Marky Mark's daughter is in a relationship with an older man and it's legal because of Texas' Romeo & Juliet law. And there's no payoff, just 'yup, I can do it!' I want to say Devastator's balls was the worst part of those movies, but I think it was this.
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Dawgstar posted:Now be fair, they're still also extremely socially regressive with regards to women. One of the Transformers movies has an extended sequence about how Marky Mark's daughter is in a relationship with an older man and it's legal because of Texas' Romeo & Juliet law. And there's no payoff, just 'yup, I can do it!' For even more context than that he was the one that had a 16 year old Megan Fox dance in a club while being sprayed by water as a background shot for Bad Boys II and also got her blacklisted when she got tired of being his sex object. I guess we could just say Michael Bay, bad!
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Dawgstar posted:And there's no payoff, just 'yup, I can do it!' There's no payoff for you or me because we're not trying to date 14 year olds. Watching that instructional sidebar likely rewarded somebody.
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I've definitely seen Mennonites with masks on
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Haystack posted:I've definitely seen Mennonites with masks on Mennonites aren't anti-medicine. The beard does get in the way of a proper seal for a N95, of course, but that's something else entirely. (I have a full beard and learned this a few months ago when my dad was looking for them.)
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Arivia posted:Why wouldn’t you like an entire movie of the dark apocalypse future from the previous Terminator films? Robots got punched, including Arnie, time shenanigans happened. I’m not sure what else you expect from that franchise? I guess it was missing some one-liners? Terminator Salvation went wrong when they let Christian Bale play John Connor. Casting 2009 Christian Bale in Terminator Salvation was the right decision - but he should have been playing the Terminator, and playing the Terminator as close to "Evil superstrong Batman" as possible. Complete with Batman-style growl. Cast Batman as John Connor and the tension is nowhere near the same.
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neonchameleon posted:Complete with Batman-style growl. I much prefer the "conversational as long as it's useful, then dead silent while trying to keep people" take. It's a creepier vibe.
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The Transformers movies also have Tom Kenny doing the voice acting equivalent of black face.
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Toshimo posted:Yes. It;s called reverse harem. I usually hear it called as Otome as it's similarly based on a certain type of Visual Novel genre, Otome games which are basically also dating sims or what have you but with a female character as the protagonist and their options are various handsome men/boys.
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Xelkelvos posted:I usually hear it called as Otome as it's similarly based on a certain type of Visual Novel genre, Otome games which are basically also dating sims or what have you but with a female character as the protagonist and their options are various handsome men/boys. Otome games are specifically dating games, there are plenty of non-otome games that have reverse harems and otome games that have a reverse harem ending
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Fsmhunk posted:The Transformers movies also have Tom Kenny doing the voice acting equivalent of black face. I always think of Bay's defense of Skids and Mudflap as 'they're not supposed to be black, they're supposed to be white kids who act black' as though that made things appreciably better.
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