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bawfuls posted:Glenn jumping in is extra funny because he specifically mocked The Letter signatories as disingenuous on the basis of his exclusion from it. people who idolize the myth of old-fashioned journalism dissonantly hate discussing the fact that journalism is a job and subject to any forces or factors common to other types of employment, despite that about the only factual aspect of the popular depiction of old-fashioned journalism was its more traditional profession/career nature
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THS posted:who cares if right wingers get fired. the left will receive precisely zero “credit” for playing nice or being principled about this stuff. when the left is a danger, the hammer comes down. good luck crying that you took a stand against cancel culture when they fire you for being a socialist the issue is rather that once sacking people for deviation from some political line is seen as acceptable, no leftist will ever hold down a job again - the point being made is not an individual one, it's a societal one. it's ok to disagree with it, but it really does warrant a bit of pause when someone one otherwise respects are saying something with which you disagree. just saying 'ah well x is bad now' is a destructive response i read a note in the paper the other day that this is basically consumer activism, which i thought was a good observation. we're all engaging in the marketplace of ideas as market actors, so this sort of development makes sense
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If that stupid letter by whiny babies was true then Bari wouldn't have had to "self terminate" from her job that gave her a massive platform and a big salary to be a lovely moron all the time It's just dipshits who are mad that the proles dont revere them and some hapless ancient losers who are defending people who want them dead. If I wrote a big hysterical meltdown letter in response to somebody saying I'm a dumbass we'd all agree it was a meltdown, but because it's well credentialed members of the urban elite I guess we all have to take it seriously lmfao There will be no precedent or reciprocity with these idiots, you gain literally nothing by protecting them. If you have any form of power you must use it or you will lose
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V. Illych L. posted:the issue is rather that once sacking people for deviation from some political line is seen as acceptable, no leftist will ever hold down a job again - the point being made is not an individual one, it's a societal one. it's ok to disagree with it, but it really does warrant a bit of pause when someone one otherwise respects are saying something with which you disagree. just saying 'ah well x is bad now' is a destructive response
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oh cool, nyc dsa has their own podcast, and they interviewed the indigenous woman we're gonna get into state senate
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Can someone explain to me the drama between this lady and trueanon/chapo? https://mobile.twitter.com/gwensnyderPHL/status/1286029720124100614 Also whats up these freaks and Syria it happened close to a decade ago and its really confusing and boring like who cares lmao
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bawfuls posted:Relying on social norms against professional consequences for political speech has *never* been a safe move for leftists. The norms get tossed aside whenever power is sufficiently challenged. This is why real legal protections for workers are important. yes, i agree with this, but atm social norms are all you've got and in this case it's understandable that people are reluctant to toss them aside to go on the offensive Terminal autist posted:Can someone explain to me the drama between this lady and trueanon/chapo? she's trying very hard to cancel them, so it's topical
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Terminal autist posted:Can someone explain to me the drama between this lady and trueanon/chapo? she has insane mental illness, not the good kind but the bad kind of mental illness that says Joe biden is jesus reincarnate and tara reade is a lying whore and its all very stupid and pointless and libs are bad people
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Terminal autist posted:Can someone explain to me the drama between this lady and trueanon/chapo? she's still "an organizer" in Philadelphia that had to type out the World's Most Obvious Cop post about how she doesn't know any organizations in Philadelphia
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i dont think shes a cop tbh, just a crazy person made even crazier by the internet
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love that big asterisk all these anti-cancelation people have to make room for their particular list of people who should be cancelled
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i still love the idea of a left-wing activist doing their thing for over a decade and somehow never running into psl or their tables then asking "so, you got any names?"
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Terminal autist posted:Can someone explain to me the drama between this lady and trueanon/chapo? two cia plants arguing with each other
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babypolis posted:he seems to have a really bad case of the glenn greenwald disease where a nonsensical but well meaning commitment to free speech is short circuiting his brain some of you clearly never had some oval office of an authority figure in your childhood tbh When you know you're right about something, can explain why you're right about something but your explanation (the discourse if you will) just gets shut down because the person in the wrong has arbitrary X power it makes a loving impression, honestly the diseased mind is one that doesn't have a 'nonsensical but well meaning commitment to free speech' whatever that even means.
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Terminal autist posted:Can someone explain to me the drama between this lady and trueanon/chapo? she has a patreon to start a podcast about how nazis are infiltrating the left and attacking the two biggest leftist podcasts is a good way to get people to pay attention and give her money
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Spoilers. The nazis are every leftist because she is cointelpro
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notably she's never put out a single episode of the supposed podcast meanwhile Taibbi has spent this afternoon "canceling" a growing list of words from his twitter feed 
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bawfuls posted:notably she's never put out a single episode of the supposed podcast that will only happen when she hits $800/mo. so far she's only reached her $500/mo goal which is, and i'm not kidding here, "i'll start the wiki" the virgin gwen versus the chad Trevor Loudon
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Joementum posted:that will only happen when she hits $800/mo. so far she's only reached her $500/mo goal which is, and i'm not kidding here, "i'll start the wiki" goddamn that's some sweet grift
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Vitamin P posted:some of you clearly never had some oval office of an authority figure in your childhood tbh what does this mean. what powerful leftist authority is oppressing matt. because so far it seems like the answer is "people on twitter" which lmao every lever of power in our country is held by conservative shitheads or tech barons, spending time complaining about the dangers of the left is broken brained
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so cool how brace showed how gwen received epstein $$$ and then she went on a crusade to get them removed from patreon
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The Muppets On PCP posted:two cia plants arguing with each other This is like when those two DHS-backed jihadi groups fought each other in Syria
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bawfuls posted:notably she's never put out a single episode of the supposed podcast He's right about most of those words. Twitter has drained the blood out of the usual leftist vocabulary and most of them have just become synonyms for "gently caress you!" or "love me!"
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The problem isn't specific words (duh) it's twitter itself. If he hates seeing that poo poo on twitter the solution is to put down his fuckin' phone.
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Goast posted:i still love the idea of a left-wing activist doing their thing for over a decade and somehow never running into psl or their tables Gwen Snyder expresses her confusion with the Absolute Basics, is awed by how passionately the RCP panhandles their newspapers,
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this remains the correct take, and so i will empty quote it againToplowtech posted:That whole nonsense is just an expression of journalists panicking at the loss of one of their last monopolistic power: the ability to call out people and get them fired from their job. They should be the only one with that ability, not the mob, that's what their letter is about. Like when Shapiro wished noam chomsky dead or weiss tried to get that teacher fired. That was wise uses of journalistic power. But Twitter making a petition? How do those plebes dare to think they have the same power as us, product of the elite!
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bawfuls posted:I'm saying we don't have social norms protecting leftists now. The protection is illusory. Taibbi thinks we have such norms because he's terminally brain poisoned by nostalgia for a bygone era of journalism that never really protected leftists anyway. Taibbi's worked in Putin's Russia and moves in the same circles as citizen journalists in Pakistan who can be murdered by the state at any time. There are still social norms in America protecting leftists - incredibly weak ones that are degrading faster than the coral reefs but they still just about exist. Even if black activists can be silently murdered by cops, pretty white journalists can't be. That's cardboard protection but it is still protection compared to places like Brazil where happy liberal white activists types can be machinegunned leaving their homes and no-one gives a poo poo. I'm not defending Taibbi here because I think he's fighting a dumb, pointless battle for ultimately solipsistic reasons, but he might be motivated to defend lovely provocateur journalism because he doesn't want those last protections torn up in the USA too. Those protections are 100% going to be torn up of course, you need someone, anyone, on the other side to be protecting them with you and the right wing is hammering the "BETRAY" button as hard as they can, Ben Shapiro will happily walk you down the hall to the gas chamber and grin as he flips the lever whatever nice thing you said about him in a letter. But I can see why someone like Taibbi might still think there's something worth fighting to preserve there. Often Abbreviated has issued a correction as of 22:22 on Jul 22, 2020 |
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THS posted:taibbi’s twitter feed is beyond pathetic now. this is wine mom level posting was willing to forgive his dumb opinions but this Bad Posting has crossed the line.
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tbh i think him defending Andrew Sullivan was worse than muting people who post "consider the optics"
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bawfuls posted:The problem isn't specific words (duh) it's twitter itself. If he hates seeing that poo poo on twitter the solution is to put down his fuckin' phone. The whole point of twitter is to be the home to people who can't log off.
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Joementum posted:tbh i think him defending Andrew Sullivan was worse than muting people who post "consider the optics" its spending hours quote tweeting people with reaction gifs and “Noted. (and muted)”. i hope he’s at least drinking
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Taibbi, please log the gently caress off for a month and cool down. I hate to see someone who I used to respect a lot go insane like this. Christ I didn't even necessarily disagree with how he talked about the issue on the cancel culture episode of Chapo two weeks ago but he's just gone batty at this point.
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uber_stoat posted:Taibbi has posted Cringe on the timeline. he is done. *bowing my head* im sorry matt but it is my duty as a millenial leftist to officially #cancel you
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bawfuls posted:notably she's never put out a single episode of the supposed podcast should we start a countdown to when Taibbi says the n-word
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