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CareyB posted:I wonder if picking new cultures will be first come first served, so you might not always get the culture you’d want/be best for you. This was confirmed by one of the previewers linked earlier in the thread
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Globalist seems like odd and ahistorical terminology. Surely there's a better term for that. https://www.pcgamer.com/humankind-game-release-date-trailer-everything-we-know/ quote:Some of these decisions – like the army composition one, as you see in the image above – enable you to pass a law by spending a Civics point, unlocking a permanent buff (conscription means 20% cheaper units, while professionalism means +1 stronger troops), while others, like dividing by zero, steer you down short event chains that might help or hinder your empire on the world map. All decisions will, however, nudge your empire along one of four different sliders that represent your outlook. These are geopolitics (nationalist vs globalist), economics (individualist vs collectivist), politics (authoritarian vs liberal), and culture (traditionalist vs progressive). Each slider confers a buff of some kind, which gets stronger at its extremes: a more authoritarian government gets more FIMS (food, industry, money, science) yields on the capital, while a liberal one gets more FIMS on cities without an administrator – the obvious choice if you’re playing ‘wide’, in strategy parlance.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:21
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Maybe isolationist vs interventionist, or tribal vs cosmopolitan?
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Jul 14, 2020 12:24
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Deltasquid posted:Maybe isolationist vs interventionist, or tribal vs cosmopolitan? Nationalist is fine. It's globalist that sounds like it's from a Ben Garrison cartoon. Cosmopolitan sounds good, but that also has been tainted a bit by an older generation of far right cranks.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:29
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Charlz Guybon posted:Nationalist is fine. It's globalist that sounds like it's from a Ben Garrison cartoon. In that case, maybe multilateralist? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilateralism It’s essentially the global politics version of working together through multilateral treaties but it’s what most people rail against when they cry about (((globalists))) like the UN and EU, except without the years if abuse by right-wing pundits
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Jul 14, 2020 12:41
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I like cosmopolitan.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:44
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Charlz Guybon posted:Nationalist is fine. It's globalist that sounds like it's from a Ben Garrison cartoon. Funny how different words strike different tones with different people. I've never even heard of cosmopolitan outside of a positive context. And despite what wikipedia says, I've also rarely heard it deployed in an international relations context but rather mostly to describe cities/cultures. I'd guess 'internationalism' is probably the clearest pair to nationalism, but it's a bit of a mouthful. I can see why they'd use globalism. It's probably a term less tainted in the Francophone world.
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Jul 14, 2020 12:51
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Also possible it’s just an odd translation since the game is being developed in French
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Jul 14, 2020 13:15
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I can confirm that Marine Lepen etc use “globaliste” much like right wingers in the Anglosphere do, antisemitic connotations included. But maybe it’s less common in France than on the internet and it’s still a dogwhistle most people don’t pick up
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Jul 14, 2020 13:27
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Globalisation is a perfectly normal word to describe the increase in social/economic relationships between far-off parts of the world over the past hundreds of years. I haven't seen the specific word 'globalist' around much. Internationalist is probably better if you need an opposite of nationalist.
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Jeza posted:Funny how different words strike different tones with different people. I've never even heard of cosmopolitan outside of a positive context. And despite what wikipedia says, I've also rarely heard it deployed in an international relations context but rather mostly to describe cities/cultures. I personally like the word cosmopolitan, but it was used in an extremely antisemitic context in the 1st half of the 20th century. Internationalist could work
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Jul 14, 2020 13:52
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The problem with the word "globalism" is that it is being applied to civilizations that are not yet able to circumnavigate the globe, or even know for certain that the world is round (yes I'm aware that it was determined indirectly quite early in history but still). The idea of anything at all being "global" in the early stages of history sounds kind of absurd to me. Presumably it just means "cares about their neighbors" which is almost always going to be much more local than "global".
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Charlz Guybon posted:I personally like the word cosmopolitan, but it was used in an extremely antisemitic context in the 1st half of the 20th century. Honestly never knew that, very interesting. I guess globalist has just filled that niche. Clarste posted:The problem with the word "globalism" is that it is being applied to civilizations that are not yet able to circumnavigate the globe, or even know for certain that the world is round (yes I'm aware that it was determined indirectly quite early in history but still). The idea of anything at all being "global" in the early stages of history sounds kind of absurd to me. Presumably it just means "cares about their neighbors" which is almost always going to be much more local than "global". Even nationalism suffers from the same issue though. To be congruent throughout all of history, I guess you'd have to take Deltasquid's isolationist vs interventionist angle. But even then, interventionist has a pretty loaded bent to it. It's more of an inward/outward looking geopolitical division. I can't think of any neutral word that wholly captures the idea of wanting to interact with the world at large that works as a good pair to isolationist though. This is a weird rabbit hole.
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Jul 14, 2020 14:49
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True.
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Clearly, the appropriate terms would be Juche vs Trotskyist. More seriously, I'd just go with Open vs Closed. Yes I know "Closed Society" can be taken instead to mean one where there's little freedom, but I think if it's two points on a slider labelled "Geopolitics" it's relatively clear in meaning without the somewhat difficult implications of "globalist" or "cosmopolitan" and without the anachronistic "nationalist".
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Jul 14, 2020 14:58
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I think I'd go with isolationism vs diplomacy, personally, since isolationists generally don't engage in diplomacy. 
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Jul 14, 2020 19:31
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This whole debate what to call axises in politics got old way back when it was happening in Stellaris thread years ago
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Pyromancer posted:This whole debate what to call axises in politics got old way back when it was happening in Stellaris thread years ago Haha I was thinking the same thing. Individualist vs collectivist debates for pages upon pages. Edit: in all seriousness, I understand from previewers that you get stronger bonuses as you get closer to the extremes/further from the center. I fear this might make decisions no-brainers once you’ve picked one side of the axis to reach, much like paragon/renegade split in mass effect Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jul 14, 2020 |
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Jul 14, 2020 20:54
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Deltasquid posted:Haha I was thinking the same thing. Individualist vs collectivist debates for pages upon pages. Maybe that's intentional, to create an extra bit of long-term continuity. You can't plan on which sequence of civs you'll play, but you can choose to go for a collective globalist game or whatever.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTkSHa5-8zI
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Jul 16, 2020 21:28
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I miss the Amplitude that made animated trailers with outstanding music and kickass cinematography.
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Jul 16, 2020 21:47
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does anyone want a marketing job?
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Jesus.
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Jul 17, 2020 10:48
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This is the worst marketing I have seen since Dragon Age II.
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Jul 17, 2020 11:00
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I'm not sure if these are so bad they have to be posted in the thread, or so bad they mustn't https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1285250684032634882 Either way, i hope you're all excited for wednesday!!!! (seriously this is the worst marketing i've seen for any game, let alone a triple A title like this one)
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...Amplitude is a AAA studio now? What?
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Oh isn't it? I don't actually know. (i tried to look it up but there barely seems to be a definition, so pretend i said single-A instead)
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The marketing for this game is pretty dire, which is surprising because their marketing for ES2 was pretty decent to my memory.
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Yeah, but then ES2 ended up playing like ES2. Maybe this is a good sign.
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https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1286301399316389890 New info.
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I hate their stupid "i'm talking off camera to an interviewer like i'm the god damned president" format. Cmon we all know you're talking to a hatstand. Key takeaways: * Events (TheHumanCrouton's favourite thing) give you choices which may have immediate effects and can also shift your society's Civics * you have 4 civics which each exist on an axis between two extremes, each conferring its own bonus Nothing we didn't already know to be honest. I do like the mechanic though, at least it doesn't seem to be cribbing from Civ games (and indeed, I've often thought that I want to see a sort of "political compass" style civic selection mechanic in civ, so this is exciting) Anyway, I can't finish my post without this horrid thing: https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1286330333026234369
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Amplitude posted:there are nine more weeks of this oh no
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Jul 23, 2020 21:20
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Their marketing department might not be in AAA but it definitely is in AA. Or at least needs to be.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1283076344448987137 https://mobile.twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1285605805937561601
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Jul 24, 2020 02:30
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These temple temples, also commonly known as temples, were temples where they worshipped stuff.
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Jul 24, 2020 02:33
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not sure if i would consider feudal japan the early modern era 
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Jul 24, 2020 02:54
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Early modern is roughly 1500-1700, so yeah, that's Tokugawa era. But that's the usual problem with applying European periods globally.
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The White Dragon posted:not sure if i would consider feudal japan the early modern era From what I understand, 'feudal Japan' is more the Sengoku Jidai (and the period leading up to it) than the Tokugawa Shogunate.
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Yeah, this is directly after the era of local warlords, when someone finally managed to unify the nation. Still pretty feudal though.
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