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Lord_Hambrose posted:While Black Manta really hating Aquaman is a good direction, making a character commit casual nonsensical murders is lazy writing. Much better is having him murder aquaman infant child
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bobkatt013 posted:Much better is having him murder aquaman infant child This was actually meaningful though? Also a hugely underrated story that most readers just don't believe happened.
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FilthyImp posted:In the scene where Mera unlocks some Atlantean doodad, she uses a bead of sweat to provide the water needed for it to kick into gear. Aw come on like YOU weren't thinking that too. We all were.
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Siegkrow posted:Aw come on like YOU weren't thinking that too. We all were.
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 oh gently caress right off Tynion. "People SAY they don't want another Joker story but they don't know what they want so here comes another loving Joker story" TwoPair fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jul 24, 2020 |
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Jul 24, 2020 04:31
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"It's up to me to peel back the surface of this tired old Joker story, to vivisect the flesh from its bones and show the truth pulsing beneath. I will do this by giving him a different girlfriend and furthermore a guy with a mummy face will have epaulets."
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Three Jokers ended up being moved to Black Label at least, Johns is writing it which is idk, but I guess "Joker War" was just too interesting to pass up
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I still can't get over Three Jokers seeming like one of those ideas I would have at 3am and think that it's brilliant at the time, only for me to wake up later and wonder what on earth I was thinking. I feel like a really refreshing Joker story at this point would be one where he just wants to rob a bank or something, not take over Gotham or murder millions or cut off his own face or be an unstoppable force of chaos or any of that stuff.
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It's really kind of remarkable how much shoe leather put out just to get to the point of JOKER HAS ALL THE MONEY, BATMAN HAS NONE. And those clowns in Washington and the lamestream media won't say anything about it! I'm sure there's an interesting story to tell about a supervillain takeover of Wayne Enterprises (there have been at least a couple solid ones about Stark Enterprises) but this sort of "well the Joker is literally carving giant joker smiles on the sides of skyscrapers and sending in clown goons to machine gun accounting departments into submission, but  and some fancy lawyers prevent anyone from questioning that this is just a boring Joker-free corporate takeover" is not it.Also Joker can make and control zombies now, I guess?
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There are definitely a few villains who'd be at the top of the list in having a take over of Wayne Enterprises be interesting, but Joker is about at the same place as Clayface and Man-Bat in terms of interesting stories. Hush has ostensibly done it once already for a short period, but obviously not up to the full potential. Riddler would definitely be up there as an interesting arc. Same with any of the al-Ghuls though it'd seem superfluous given their own stockpile of assets. Bane would've been good if not for the fact that King just did a story where he took over Gotham. The Penguin might be an interesting one, but I feel like stories about old Gotham family stuff is just very tired at this point. Any other interesting villains doing it would be from someone outside Batman's Rogue's gallery like Luthor maybe
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Didn't Batman Beyond have that as part of the set-up?
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Ponsonby Britt posted:Didn't Batman Beyond have that as part of the set-up? Yeah, Bruce was forced out of power in his company after it merged with another and became Wayne-Powers Enterprises. But Derek Powers wasn't a villain until after that happened.
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Darth Nat posted:I still can't get over Three Jokers seeming like one of those ideas I would have at 3am and think that it's brilliant at the time, only for me to wake up later and wonder what on earth I was thinking. Yeah I just want a Christmas with the Joker story with him. Where there are elaborate death traps and clues to send him all around, and when the Joker has the upper hand he gets Batman to get a pie to the face. I guess I really just want the animated series version.
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And the most recent Batgirl had... wait for it... JOKER COMING TO HER APARTMENT IT IS LIKE THE KILLING JOKE YOU GUYS.
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The Detective Issue this week would have been 10 times better if they had been restrained and just had like one panel of the Joker. But he is on like every other page, and all that I want is a decent Two Face story...
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Xelkelvos posted:There are definitely a few villains who'd be at the top of the list in having a take over of Wayne Enterprises be interesting, but Joker is about at the same place as Clayface and Man-Bat in terms of interesting stories. Hush has ostensibly done it once already for a short period, but obviously not up to the full potential. Riddler would definitely be up there as an interesting arc. Same with any of the al-Ghuls though it'd seem superfluous given their own stockpile of assets. Bane would've been good if not for the fact that King just did a story where he took over Gotham. The Penguin might be an interesting one, but I feel like stories about old Gotham family stuff is just very tired at this point. Any other interesting villains doing it would be from someone outside Batman's Rogue's gallery like Luthor maybe It would make sense for Black Mask to do it. He got powers from Luthor recently that lets him change his mask into other faces.
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This was kind of a subplot in Morrison's run when Bruce went all Zur en Arh and such but it was just kind of treated like a hanging thread that went away
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Dawgstar posted:And the most recent Batgirl had... wait for it... JOKER COMING TO HER APARTMENT IT IS LIKE THE KILLING JOKE YOU GUYS. I'm still not sure what to think about that issue. I get that the point was "look, this time Babs was in control the whole time." but like, you could just not go back to that well, it's cool.
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Also Babs is apparently going back to Oracle, at least for a while. Also Cass is in her Batgirl costume! 
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I always liked Barbara Gordon as Oracle. She is fine as Batgirl, but it isn't like there are not a dozen other Batman equivalents in Gotham. So one more person throwing punches isn't helpful,vbut a smart person overseeing operations is more interesting.
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Steph also has the batsymbol, and I think the one with the bo staff is Tim? That's not his Drake costume. Glad they're finally dropping the whole Ric Grayson thing.
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Yeah it's nice to see Steph and Cass both in the Batgirl outfits. And Nightwing back with hopefully no more Ric poo poo.
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My favorite part of the DC world was the 2000s. What do I need to read to get up to speed/enjoy DC now? I have Universe.
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I think the DC: Rebirth one-shot and subsequent titles are a pretty good place to start, and then after which it'll depend on which corner of the universe you're most attached to. Everything? Batman? Superman? Green Lanterns? Teen Titans? (you poor soul  )It might be a little difficult to recapture the feeling of coherency and cohesiveness that the DCU had back in the 2000s because the current DCU honestly feels a bit adrift and uncertain about what it wants to be, and with Dan DiDio being recently unseated and coronavirus slowing everything down. He's not hugely popular around these parts, but I'd say that Scott Snyder's Dark Nights: Metal event was a big love letter to 2000s DCU, in a sort of self-deprecating, self-aware, look-ma-I'm-nerdy-hardcore! kind of way. It leads directly to the No Justice miniseries, and then a large run on the Justice League title itself, and finally to the Dark Nights: Death Metal event that's happening now and is the most recent BIG THING THAT WILL CHANGE THE UNIVERSE FOREVERR. If you're into the big cosmic meta stuff like Morrison's JLA or even the Infinite Crisis stuff (you poor soul ), this is where you'll get that fix.
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Sounds perfect. Thanks.
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BrianWilly posted:...Dan DiDio being recently unseated... I have been meaning to ask this thread if any news outs have come with a good run down on Dan's firing. My assumption has been that Time Warner finally figured out the Didio was not good an managing their precious intellectually properties but who knows.
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side_burned posted:I have been meaning to ask this thread if any news outs have come with a good run down on Dan's firing. My assumption has been that Time Warner finally figured out the Didio was not good an managing their precious intellectually properties but who knows. According to one of the reasons cited at the time, 'fostering a poor work environment.' Also there's speculation a lot of people, or at least enough influential ones, were opposed to that weird timeline shifting nonsense he was behind.
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Dawgstar posted:According to one of the reasons cited at the time, 'fostering a poor work environment.' Also there's speculation a lot of people, or at least enough influential ones, were opposed to that weird timeline shifting nonsense he was behind. It might not be related since there's a couple years between the two firings, but I imagine not doing a drat thing about Eddie Berganza for years except promoting him to higher and higher positions couldn't have helped.
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Dawgstar posted:According to one of the reasons cited at the time, 'fostering a poor work environment.' Also there's speculation a lot of people, or at least enough influential ones, were opposed to that weird timeline shifting nonsense he was behind. I just learned about the 5G stuff in the last month and everything I have heard sounded on par with the Clone Saga but for the whole DC line.
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side_burned posted:I just learned about the 5G stuff in the last month and everything I have heard sounded on par with the Clone Saga but for the whole DC line. We were robbed of an incredibly beautiful mess.
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I thought 5G was supposed to be about new people taking over the mantle of established heroes. What is the skinny of 5G?
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Madkal posted:I thought 5G was supposed to be about new people taking over the mantle of established heroes. What is the skinny of 5G? Gen 1 is like golden Age JSA poo poo Gen 2 is Silver Age classic heroes Gen 3 is Bronze (?) Age 80s-90s Gen 4 is post-90s to modern with some legacy heroes popping up maybe? And Gen 5 is the 'classic' heroes aging out and passing the reins like we did in the 90s
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See I like legacy characters so that sounds like my jam.
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Madkal posted:See I like legacy characters so that sounds like my jam. Or is Gen5 like the first time The Big Three get aged out?
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I am firmly against anything that prevents the return of DickBats. I want DickBats back.
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Codependent Poster posted:I am firmly against anything that prevents the return of DickBats.  And maybe another round of fixing Damian again because Teen Titans is just a mess for him. Just have a new series with DickBat, Damian, Batcow and Goliath.
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side_burned posted:I have been meaning to ask this thread if any news outs have come with a good run down on Dan's firing. My assumption has been that Time Warner finally figured out the Didio was not good an managing their precious intellectually properties but who knows. Comicsbeat had the best reporting I've seen, though maybe I missed one somewhere else: https://www.comicsbeat.com/crisis-on-earth-dan-didio-how-5g-was-a-crisis-too-far/ tl;dr: WB higher-ups got cold feet on the idea of "permanently"* replacing the classic DC characters with legacy characters, or possibly were never fully sold on the idea on the first place, and Didio was constantly micromanaging and changing plans for 5G (in a manner that sounds similar to the first few years of New 52, among other periods in his tenure), leading to low morale and high turnover, and in February, WB decided they had had enough. it also didn't help that the Batpenis debacle had happened just after Pam Lifford started as DiDio's boss in fall 2018, so maybe he was already on borrowed time after that *obviously it would never have really been permanent, this is superhero comics after all, but the big 5G rumor was that the classic DC heroes would be drastically aged up by shunting their adventures backwards in time several decades along the sliding timeline, the intent of which was presumably to make it feel more permanent than something like All-New Marvel Now
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I never got the whole Batdick thing. Wasn’t it in a black label comic anyways? Just show us his dick we know he’s got it.
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TheHan posted:I never got the whole Batdick thing. Wasn’t it in a black label comic anyways? Just show us his dick we know he’s got it. They did show it, and then a lot of jokes were made and DC freaked out and removed all bat-dicks from reprints.
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Madkal posted:They did show it, and then a lot of jokes were made and DC freaked out and removed all bat-dicks from reprints. yeah, it was very naive of DiDio/Lee et al to think that that wouldn't get national media attention (if they expected it to get attention but didn't think it would play badly with the WB brass, that might have been even more naive) FilthyImp posted:I'm honestly a little fuzzy on the Gen 3/4 bits. Like do we not get Kyle or is he just recruited alongside other lanterns? Did Hal go all Parallax on us? Does Bart come back from the future to Impulse it up? presumably, the now-cancelled Generation One-Five one-shots were intended to address questions like those
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