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FlamingLiberal posted:Also they wanted Kirk and Spock to gently caress Honestly, same
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Yeah, I’m down with that. Do it, Strange New Worlds, have Kirk’s only cameo be coming out of Spock’s quarters the morning after.
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So we’ve got the creators using and not understanding Section 31 and Red Squad. I guess we should be on the look out for an Obsidian Order spin-off series since they seem intent on bastardizing DS9s ideas. Sorry with this team it should be the ultra secret double Obsidian Order, my bad.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:No, I’m dead serious, the famous letter writing campaign everyone talks about was spearheaded by women and women sci-fi fans were a big part of the early fandom until weirdos took it over and started obsessing over the physics of dilithium crystals n poo poo. what takeover?
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Arglebargle III posted:what takeover? I assume it's the fact that for a long time the most popular material available outside the shows was all the things like encyclopedias and technical manuals and lots of drawings of spaceships, and that people started obsessing over things like a ship not fitting in a particular time period because it had the wrong font on its hull. Also, that Lower Decks opening scene made me chuckle. It might be an awful show, but by the same token that scene could have come straight out of a show like Futurama.
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Are there any write ups about this initial letter writing campaign? Sounds really interesting.
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G-III posted:Are there any write ups about this initial letter writing campaign? Sounds really interesting. https://intl.startrek.com/article/bjo-trimble-the-woman-who-saved-star-trek-part-1
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Senor Tron posted:https://intl.startrek.com/article/bjo-trimble-the-woman-who-saved-star-trek-part-1 Neat! Thanks for that. One segment of this interview stood out to me quote:NBC was also convinced that Star Trek was watched only by drooling idiot 12-year olds with no buying power. They managed to ignore the fact that people such as Isaac Asimov, a multiple PhD, and a multitude of other intellectuals enjoyed the show. So, of course, the Suits were always looking for reasons to cancel shows they didn’t trust to be raging successes. They used faulty Neilson Rating numbers to “prove” that Star Trek was failing badly, and decided to cancel it. Fans decided to take action, and we did it very well, thank you very much! So well that NBC came on, in prime time, and made a voice-over announcement that Star Trek was not canceled… so please stop writing letters. Seems like the only thing that changed here was you have an equal style of dipshit suits at CBS making the same mistakes half century later.
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Marketing people are the goddamn dumbest people alive, and I say this as a marketing person.
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HD DAD posted:Marketing people are the goddamn dumbest people alive, and I say this as a marketing person. I tried to get into marketing after getting my MBA (go ahead and laugh, it's okay) and then I met other marketing people. Thankfully I used the combination of my computer science undergrad and my graduate degree to land management jobs in software development. Now, that's not to say sales/marketing isn't important, in some cases it's the MOST important function. All the best tech folks, accounting/finance folks, etc. won't amount to anything more than a hill of beans if you can't sell what you're making. Sadly, it seems that a lot of people in the sales/marketing world are just awful and make you scratch your head as to what good they're doing.
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HD DAD posted:Marketing people are the goddamn dumbest people alive, and I say this as a marketing person. I dunno, stem people and engineers in particular are the smoothest brain people I've ever interacted with, just breathtaking wastes
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feedmyleg posted:Star Trek only caught on in the first place because it was for manchildren who read science-fiction pulp magazines and related to Spock's inability to understand emotion. I agree with absolutely everything in this post, yet I still feel hate and loathing.
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Ramadu posted:I dunno, stem people and engineers in particular are the smoothest brain people I've ever interacted with, just breathtaking wastes Engineers and STEM types are trained to be stupid, with a very carefully curated education that has any tinge of humanities or ethics surgically removed and replaced with hype that being STEM makes you better than everyone else. Marketing people? Marketing people are just like that.
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As a marketing person, I can tell you 70% of my job is just pulling numbers out of my rear end and telling my higher ups what they want to hear so I can collect a paycheck and go work on artsy things at home. The field is a solid 50/50 between MBA douches and artists who have bills to pay.
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I did marketing for 2 years and it's a minimum wage job at best. Never pay marketers more than any other job in your company.
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Arglebargle III posted:Hahaha Sean Bean has had five wives. What the christ. Was going to make a joke about Sean Bean getting a new wife every time he dies on screen, but then I realized it's silly--he's only had 5 wives.
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I feel old. That was amusing enough in a sensible chuckle kind of way, but it felt like it was running at 2x speed, with any silence between lines or even words clipped out. It was almost exhausting to watch.
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Payndz posted:I feel old. That was amusing enough in a sensible chuckle kind of way, but it felt like it was running at 2x speed, with any silence between lines or even words clipped out. It was almost exhausting to watch. Literally the same way I felt about Final Space. I felt so incredibly tired after watching it. Hope Lower Decks puts the brake on a little. Worrying about this cartoon definitely makes me feel like this gif is relevant again: 
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You know what, that clip is growing on me from Lower Decks and I'm realizing in addition to avoiding the self-serious/grim and dire tone what Star Trek is missing is that sometimes the stakes aren't the FATE OF THE GALAXY. Like, if the characters are good, I am way more invested in the more relatable stakes of how "friend injured during drunken horseplay" plays out than another GALACTIC APOCALYPSE. Sometimes it's okay to have an episode where Worf has to have an old west gunfight with Data or whatever. Focusing on the non-bridge characters with the big drama from the saucer section as a backdrop instead of the focus will help them tell stories that are a little more "human." I mean, the optimism is unearned, but they have been making GBS threads Trek up so much they HAVE to stumble on something watchable eventually, right?
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Shortening the seasons to about 12-13 episodes makes it a lot harder to have those moments, unfortunately
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Owlbear Camus posted:You know what, that clip is growing on me from Lower Decks and I'm realizing in addition to avoiding the self-serious/grim and dire tone what Star Trek is missing is that sometimes the stakes aren't the FATE OF THE GALAXY. I think this is my feeling too. The loss of the one off or just fluffy fun character development episodes really kill stuff like discovery.
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The one time Discovery kinda did a bottle episode, it turned out to be the best of the first season.
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Gwaihir posted:I think this is my feeling too. The loss of the one off or just fluffy fun character development episodes really kill stuff like discovery. I think the worst part of it is how Everything Services the Plot, so it begins to feel like the plot is in fact more important than the characters. Most Star Trek shows before this have been like, "here's our group of diverse and interesting (we hope) characters! Let's see what they get up to!" They weren't fated in any way, one week could see anything happen to anyone, the next week a completely different set of circumstances. Discovery and Picard both have a destination dialed in, and we're stuck seeing where they're taking us. The characters are just the people who were in the airport shuttle when it stopped in front of our house.
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HD DAD posted:The one time Discovery kinda did a bottle episode, it turned out to be the best of the first season.
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I'm glad the cartoon doesn't appear to be grim depressing galaxy spanning world ending nonsense but that clip didn't get a chuckle out of me either It also looks like they spent a buck-fifty animating it in flash or something, like I get that's a thing these days and TAS wasn't exactly every frame a painting but lmao anyway
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Payndz posted:I feel old. That was amusing enough in a sensible chuckle kind of way, but it felt like it was running at 2x speed, with any silence between lines or even words clipped out. It was almost exhausting to watch.  There might be some funny stuff in the show, but I'm never gonna watch it if the whole thing is like this migraine-inducing cacophony.
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are all of you grandpas or something extreme boomer energy in this thread right now
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The euthanasia chamber from Soylent Green but instead of pastoral imagery and stirring vistas the old guy is shown the 10 hour establishing shots of the new Enterprise model from The Motion Picture.
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I’m not saying I’m old, but if I were in a transporter accident and materialized 30y younger I’d be cool with that
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Owlbear Camus posted:The euthanasia chamber from Soylent Green but instead of pastoral imagery and stirring vistas the old guy is shown the 10 hour establishing shots of the new Enterprise model from The Motion Picture. I can think of worse ways to go.
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697511686260654181/736657663047237723/unknown.png A still from 'posterior decks' trailer. Knowing how CBS cuts their trailers, we surely have a very 'fast' and 'bright' trek future. I guess they just went full 'Live fast and prosper' on new treks.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697511686260654181/736657663047237723/unknown.png what?
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I don’t know, it reads like a boomer when they think they’re being cutting, but they’re just tying themselves up in weird personal similes.
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I think he’s trying to say because the cartoon Trek has goofy cartoon violence, it’s therefore grimdark? Maybe? It’s hard to translate.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:what? As in Continue copy pasting poo poo from other shows that they think makes these shows 'cool' till trek becomes a terrible tasteless overused-tropes brain fast food franchise with 24/7/365 spinoffs and 'icheb's left eye, remove it yourself!' toys. Im a poo poo poster, you know. But even my shittiness cannot reach cbs' executives levels of poo poo per.
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HD DAD posted:I think he’s trying to say because the cartoon Trek has goofy cartoon violence, it’s therefore grimdark? Maybe? It’s hard to translate. It's therefore will try to copy rick and morty with wondertech healing wounds and being plot devices and all that the whole show run, but unironically. Also stupid unfunny jokes. But trek themed.
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I should stop angryposting. Lower decks sucks and will suck but sigh I will watch it too.
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