|
Jel Shaker posted:I thought time magazine was bought by the moonies or some such? Sure you're not thinking of the Washington Times, a gleefully trashy tabloid?
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 21:37
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 06:01 |
|
|
Were Brits really sleeping in BDSM kennels during the Blitz? hosed up if true
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 21:58
|
|
|
The grime artist Wiley (MBE) has spent the last 9 hours having a very disturbing and prolonged antisemitic outburst on Twitter. It genuinely reads like some kind of mental breakdown.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:14
|
|
|
So let me get this straight. The Labour Party has a long-term problem of being made up of two fundamentally opposed groups of people; neoliberals and leftists. The neoliberals hate the leftists because they are holding the Party back; leftists can't win general elections because neoliberalism is just obviously right and everyone knows it, leftists are just naive idealists who need to either grow up and accept the real world or just join a commune somewhere. The leftists hate the neoliberals because they have perverted the Party, thinking capitalism is the best thing ever and GDP is all that matters, and are only not Conservatives because they're too socially progressive or not part of the old boys' club (and are not Lib Dems because they want to have a chance of winning). So the neoliberals are looking for something to attack the leftists for (other than for being lefists, because the unspoken rule of the Labour Party seems to be that they're not allowed to actually discuss the fundamental problem here), and found that the anti-Semitism accusations were working (after all, we all know that the crazy leftists are all anti-Semitic). The leftists running the Labour Party try to deal with it, but nothing they're doing is working (because people on both sides are undermining the whole thing and blaming each other). A bunch of the neoliberals leak some stuff to the BBC to try to prove that the leftists are evil. The leftists in charge retaliate by calling them liars and so on. The leakers sue (because that's a great way to deal with internal problems in a political party) and for some weird reason the BBC journalist gets involved with them. Meanwhile the EHRC has started their own investigation into anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, and the leftists use that as an excuse to dig up a bunch of dirt on the neoliberals, showing how they're undermining the Party and whatever, but fortunately someone high up enough has the sense not to actually publish it or use it. And then the 2019 General Election happens and proves each side correct; the neoliberals see it as proof that leftism can't win (even against a seemingly corrupt and incompetent opponent), and the leftists see it as proof that the neoliberals were sabotaging the Party (and don't mind too much about the neoliberal Conservatives being in power). Neither considering that they lost partly because they were too busy fighting each other, and partly because the background to the election was stacked heavily against them (well-connected opponent, happy to lie and cheat, plenty of media support, really simple - if deceptive - message and so on). Anyway. In the resulting internal power struggle the leftists get kicked out and the neoliberals take charge. And so some leftist (probably) decides to leak the report digging up dirt on the neoliberals. And some of those attacked in that report are now suing the Labour Party (again, because litigation is the best way to resolve internal problems in a political party) over the report - despite it not being published by the Labour Party. And now someone in the Party has leaked internal criticism of the report (written after the report was leaked) to undermine the report and help those suing over it, or maybe to give the Labour leadership more cover in settling that lawsuit as well?? All of which is going on with the background of an independent inquiry into the report (not into the original anti-Semitism accusations - we had that inquiry way-back-when and of course no one listened to it). And the on-going EHRC investigation.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:15
|
|
|
Man the secret cabal that runs showbusiness isn't gonna like that up 'em
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:16
|
|
|
Oh dear me posted:No, all the gospels (written in the last decades of the first century or soon after) try to exonerate Pilate. Later writers had less incentive to, than people who wanted to persuade pagan Roman authorities of their own harmlessness. the gospels had to exonerate Pilates because he died happy in retirement, and didn’t get punished at all despite from a Christian view “killing god”. on the other hand the Pharisees were wiped out by the romans, and the temple destroyed. The earlier Christian accounts actually do blame Pilates, and Tacticus is pretty proud of it. “ Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.” But then you had pagans wondering, why if Pilate was responsible, why didnt he die of like a horrible disease. PawParole fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jul 24, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:19
|
|
|
to whoever linked that guardian article by the labour lawyer https://twitter.com/TheMattWain/status/1286644284297543680?s=20
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:19
|
|
|
Pistol_Pete posted:I'd love for the actual socialist Labour MP's to split off and form the Socialist Labour Party and bring some of the unions with them so at least we could have a party that wasn't openly working to prevent change for the better. I'd join that in an instant. 'Oh the cards say "Socialist Labour party - no Liberals?" They should say "Socialist Labour Party? No, Liberals!"
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:30
|
|
|
Nuke the moon Putin you coward
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:31
|
|
|
Minus the both-sidesism, the left has actually been extremely accomodating to the liberals to a fault, while they were the ones undermining the left at every step and have now been paid off for doing so.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:32
|
|
|
WhatEvil posted:Dunno if any of you read that Harpers letter but it was absolutely just a long form of "So much for the tolerant left!" and is deftly countered with Karl Popper's "Paradox of Tolerance" argument that to be tolerant, we must be intolerant of intolerance. "Paradox of Tolerance" doesn't deftly counter anything, it's a 'dumbledore is gay actually' post-publication tweet that makes massive assumptions and can be used to justify literally any form of censorship by any dominant power, and can only be used by a dominant power too btw the weak it hates, it ignores the practical benefits of free speech and completely drenches the principles of it in piss. There's obviously some truth in it, direct action gets the goods for stopping nascent fascist parties, but lefties pretending it's some powerful intellectual noping weapon, or more usually just citing the term when it's convenient, is just inane the argument it makes is dogshit. PawParole posted:So let me get this straight. Yeah that's basically it except your analysis doesn't include that the neoliberal wing and the "neutral" existing power structures were either actively in cahoots or just have the same tawdry goals. The antisemitism smear was never intended to target voters, it was to give the media class a moral conviction equivalent to "old and disabled people shouldn't pointlessly be dying in pools of their poo poo" and allows various establishment scum to add 'and antisemitism' to the end of their justifications for why actively being evil can possibly be allowed to continue when there's an existing alternative.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:40
|
|
|
Jose posted:to whoever linked that guardian article by the labour lawyer Extremely curious what the 'it's actually fine if you consider the context' justification will be for "Corbyn’s former chief of staff, Karie Murphy, as “medusa”, a “crazy woman” and a “bitch face cow” that would “make a good dartboard”. Not even getting into the misogyny stuff Karie Murphy seems a fairly decent person, pretty hosed up to be talking about throwing darts into her eyeballs.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:50
|
|
|
Comrade Fakename posted:
I heard an explanation that the gospels was written following Jewish theology, which meant that whenever something bad happens, Jews are responsible, because they have gone against God's will. Romans and other adversaries are not greater than God, so if the Jewish people suffers, it is not because God are unable to punish the enemies or help the Jews, it is because the Jewish people have displeased God and they need to make amends. So the Romans are more like a passive force and were not actually responsible for the suffering, they were rather an instrument of God, and it is the Jewish people who themselves were responsible and they should take note of this and become better. Which had an unfortunate consequence that the moment the followers of Jesus no longer consider themselves Jewish, the context changes, and instead of it being a lesson about Jewish people being responsible for the suffering of their messiah, it became a lesson about Jews being responsible for the suffering of the Christian messiah. Rincewinds fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jul 24, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 22:53
|
|
|
Gonzo McFee posted:Nuke the moon Putin you coward i really hope russia send a little drone to the moon and take down the american flag.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:12
|
|
|
There is no American flag on the moon, even NASA admits that. It's been bleached by UV and cosmic rays long ago. A tattered white flag of surrender because humanity never went back.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:14
|
|
|
Rincewinds posted:I hope I am not making a mess of this. At a basic level this would be a very orthodox reading. Jewish people were not the only ones who pissed of Jaweh, but the gospels are very much written from the perspective of their theology and history. John arguably moreso than the others. There is debate in Christian theology about whether everything the Jews of the old testament perceived to be God's instrument of vengeance actually was, or whether it's just him letting us get on with it, but that's a whole other thing. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jul 24, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:15
|
|
|
PawParole posted:“ Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind.” Holy crap, I just read the rest of it: quote:Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:16
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:There is no American flag on the moon, even NASA admits that. All the more reason to nuke the moon
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:17
|
|
|
Gonzo McFee posted:All the more reason to nuke the moon This was a plot in an episode of 'A Town Called Eureka'. They gave a 70 year old man a fake Nobel prize, and drove a car into the weapon to divert the trajectory
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:22
|
|
|
Gonzo McFee posted:Nuke the moon Putin you coward Putin teams up with the WitchTok teens to destroy their common foe
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:27
|
|
|
PawParole posted:the gospels had to exonerate Pilates because he died happy in retirement, and didn’t get punished at all despite from a Christian view “killing god”. I think the notion that a peaceful death was proof of innocence would have been profoundly alien to the early Christians, at a time of persecution, when they were developing martyr cults.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:29
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:There is no American flag on the moon, even NASA admits that. that's not true at all. i have footage from the moon RIGHT now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1izoG5k4FPY
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:29
|
|
|
That bed is just an excuse for people who like to be caged because of I'm kinky.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:32
|
|
|
Men's Health UK is running an article teaching men to bomb cities from the air to kill true Natal womyn, I will not stand for this and have written a letter.
|
|
#
?
Jul 24, 2020 23:38
|
|
|
My fudge has arrived today and it's absolutely delish. Thanks Camrath!
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 00:09
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/alexx_sandy/status/1286570983428632576?s=20 From the weird British freepy section of Twitter. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 00:10
|
|
|
Any recommendations on car insurance providers? I'm with quotemehappy and they're okay, wouldn't mind it a bit cheaper. Am in South Wales if that helps. Also my Internet with plusnet went down 6hrs ago and their customer support team went home 20 minutes before it happened, as its the Rhondda during lockdown there is nothing else to do. RIP. My Fudge did arrive though so time to munch!
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 00:10
|
|
|
PawParole posted:So let me get this straight. A few things - this battle between left/right/moderates in the Labour party is nothing new, and has been going on since basically the party was founded. This is just the latest round of it. The reason for it at all is that Labour really should be at least 2 parties but are forced into being one by FPTP - the internal wrecking from the leaked report covered the 2017 election for the most part, as a lot of the actors like Ian McNichol were out by 2019. One of the reasons the left were so pissed off was because without the outright wrecking Labour might have actually won in 2017 as they came very close as is. - 2019 wasn't really lost due to infighting, as a lot of the lefts opponents in the party were pretty cowed. It was a combo of brexit splitting Labour voters in a way that didn't affect other parties, a poorly thought out and publicised manifesto and smears on Corbyn sticking (plus Corbyn probably not really feeling it by this point) - the factional stuff is a bit more complicated than just neoliberals vs the left; not all of the neoliberals agree with each other (this is the split between the right wing blairites and the more social democratic "soft left") and there are disagreements on the left too (primarily around brexit until the GE). Starmers big coup was managing to convince big chunks of every faction he was on their side before going full neoliberal after winning and seemingly want to have total control of the party with the membership and anyone else not having a say.
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 00:12
|
|
|
Flipswitch posted:Any recommendations on car insurance providers? I'm with quotemehappy and they're okay, wouldn't mind it a bit cheaper. Am in South Wales if that helps. I literally have no idea. I hope this helps. Just change every year and do it a month before its due. Have a poo poo car. I've been on swiftcover for longer than I should have been cos theyre taking the piss now but I quite like their online account (that maybe others do now) where I can alter the policy myself without having to ring up and faff about and take an admin fee hit. Like for instance, you seem only really to be able to have 4 people on a policy and I have some cars that I find it useful to swap around the drivers between parents and siblings partners and kids and stuff depending on whats happening. But maybe thats a very unusual requirement. Also I like that it gives me thrid party coverage on other's vehicles. apparently telling them youre a hotelier is the cheapest job to have. But dont lie. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jul 25, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 00:18
|
|
|
Gonzo McFee posted:All the more reason to nuke the moon You are Alexander Abian AICM5P. Incidentally the opening sentence of Abian's Wiki entry is probably the most Wikipedia sentence every written: quote:Alexander (Smbat) Abian (January 1, 1923 – July 24, 1999)[1] was an American mathematician who taught for over 25 years at Iowa State University and became notable for his frequent posts to various Usenet newsgroups, and his advocacy for the destruction of the moon.
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 00:36
|
|
|
Flipswitch posted:Any recommendations on car insurance providers? I'm with quotemehappy and they're okay, wouldn't mind it a bit cheaper. Am in South Wales if that helps. For me I find axa tend to be the first “known brand” insurance company at the cheaper end of the spectrum and when I’ve used them they were fine, I’m always suspicious of the really cheap providers because there’s no point to getting insurance if they’re going to be a nightmare
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 01:02
|
|
|
PawParole posted:So let me get this straight. i think this is the only bit that strikes me as incorrect. though the thrust is right. its not that it proves each side correct, its that why each side thinks labour lost is basically irecconcilable. its either due to brexit (on the left) or its to corbyn (on the right) and no amount of polling will settle that. the central argument of the corbynist left in 2019 was "we could have won in 2017 (and so could win in 2019)". the right always insisted (plausibly imo) that it was a weak swing at a terrible opponent, not a strong swing from a position of weakness. 2019 kind of put that left idea in the grave, it made it all too plausible that 2017 vs May was a lovely attempt to campaign against an awful candidate, then bojo was a stronger candidate and blew corbyn away. the big deal of the report is that it shows the party beauracracy basically throwing that election, or at the very least dragging their feet and bitching and not really wanting to win in 2017. so that idea is now resurrected from the grave for the left and so we lurch about like zombies.
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 02:57
|
|
|
Just glancing through this on reddit: When members of a group identify too strongly with their group and believe the group's image is superior to other groups, it becomes "collective narcissism." Nationalism, blind patriotism, and extremist groups are examples of collective narcissism. This has negative effects on society. quote:The world is in political upheaval, and people are rebelling against excessively proud groups of people that dominate or exude elitism. Many people have become allies to the oppressed and dominated minorities. There is a dislike toward those who demonstrate religious, cultural, and national superiority. We need to belong to a group, but sometimes, that need turns into a toxic group identity. As members of a group, some of us value the group-level pride way too much and use that pride to feel superior to others – psychologists call it “collective narcissism.” Hell, even the author of the piece is writing it from a position of superiority over the so called political 'extremes,' and a criticism of both the left and right which comes with the implicit assumption that 'anyone who is not like us (the sensible moderates) is wrong and lesser.' E: also the reddit thread is hilarious, almost the entire comments section is deleted and locked. Something horrible happened there. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jul 25, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 03:03
|
|
|
Honestly, anyone who writes what I assume is a painfully long essay (it's 3am and I'm drunk; there's no loving way I'm reading it) about the follies of how other people think, is probably a massive oval office. Particularly, and I'd invite you to add whatever scorn you have spare here, if it's talking about social media; and especially* if the author doesn't explicitly point out that they're talking about social media. * - add disclaimer from above as needed
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 03:17
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJ3LIA5LmA
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 03:39
|
|
|
Thanks both - car insurance feels like random number generator at the best of times but I'll keep looking. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 04:38
|
|
|
Flipswitch posted:Thanks both - car insurance feels like random number generator at the best of times but I'll keep looking. Seems problematic being legally obliged to buy a private product. They really have people over a barrel. Here in Australia there is no legal obligation to buy insurance since the vehicle registration fee also includes an insurance component. It was one of the big differences I noticed when Ioved from the UK. Means you can also share cars much easier and car insurance is far cheaper than the UK. Much better system imo.
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 04:54
|
|
|
As far as insurance goes the only one I can think of that you should avoid like the loving plague is XS Direct. They're dirt cheap but as the name implies they have a high enough excess that you basically end up paying for any claims yourself if you have an accident. And they're not afraid of charging you for things they're not allowed to as part of the excess like claims investigation costs. Most of the others are basically the same, with hugely varying levels of competency and customer service. And whatever you do make sure you don't bend the truth to get a cheaper rate. Even stuff like not saying you use the car for commuting even if you only drive to work once a week will bite you in the arse. stev fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Jul 25, 2020 |
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 05:48
|
|
|
Pencils R Cool posted:The grime artist Wiley (MBE) has spent the last 9 hours having a very disturbing and prolonged antisemitic outburst on Twitter. It genuinely reads like some kind of mental breakdown. At first I thought he'd been hacked but then I read his timeline and he'd been constantly tweeting anti-semetic stuff for seven hours.
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 08:23
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 06:01 |
|
|
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jul/25/wileys-management-firm-drops-grime-artist-over-antisemitic-tweets Isn't there an issue of antisemitism among the black community, because of some highly influential bloke back in the day? I thought I had read something about that a while back, linked here maybe or somewhere else or somewhere.
|
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2020 09:43
|
|
