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Phlegmish posted:dancing on Reagan/Thatcher's grave. This is just good praxis though. What if it was my keen sense of empathy for the upper class, along my analysis of history and sociological trends and behaviours that led me to conclude to eat the rich op?
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:This is just good praxis though. I assume it's intended as a joke, but that actually makes perfect sense and it would be interesting to start seeing it framed it that way. In all honesty, I don't know if it would be that much more effective beyond making the Internet less toxic, the elites tend to have their own constructions and systems of thought that would prevent something like that from truly connecting.
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Phlegmish posted:Unironically this, and in a way I have a lot more respect for a D&D goon like V. Illych L. (lol), who is a straightforward communist driven simply by his dialectical view of history. Maybe it'll result in another nightmare society defined by gulags and mass graves, but he never pretended otherwise, he has his convictions about what society should be like, and he doesn't wax poetic about just being so full of love and compassion (unless you are a neoliberal or fascist according to their definition) that he has no choice to believe what he does, like so many goons do.  Abstract morals or a materialist analysis of human society leading to the conclusion that anything short of socialism will fail to provide a satisfactory life for the masses are valid reasons to be socialist just as much as empathy for your fellow humans' suffering.
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Phlegmish posted:Unironically this, and in a way I have a lot more respect for a D&D goon like V. Illych L. (lol), who is a straightforward communist driven simply by his dialectical view of history. Maybe it'll result in another nightmare society defined by gulags and mass graves, but he never pretended otherwise, he has his convictions about what society should be like, and he doesn't wax poetic about just being so full of love and compassion (unless you are a neoliberal or fascist according to their definition) that he has no choice to believe what he does, like so many goons do. won't anyone think of the neoliberals and the fascists? where's your empathy now leftists????
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oliwan posted:won't anyone think of the neoliberals and the fascists? where's your empathy now leftists???? Good poo poo but include a snappy reaction gif next time, if you really want those likes
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suck my woke dick posted:Uh, yes? Sure, if you live in a big city with a multicultural community then university students include more white middle class kids and failsons of the rich than you're used to, but you're probably not who I'm referring to anyway. However if you come from a gated community or from a rural area that has 0.2 immigrants per village and a 30% nazi vote then absolutely yes universities are excellent space for meeting people from different walks of life. Universities are absolutely not excellent spaces to meet people from different walks of life, even if your limited lib worldview thinks that you met all kinds of different people there. Yes, there are probably less nazis at university than in your backwater racist village, but that still doesn't mean you meet people from different walks of life there, just different people than where you are from. Universities are 90% middle class bourgies. Excellent spaces to meet people from different walks of life are big cities. If you move from your lovely village to a big city and work in a bar there, that's when you meet different people -- not at university. Give me a loving break. quote:*checks notes on statistical, scientific illiteracy contributing to dumb decisions and wasteful moral panics about irrelevant poo poo* It is a persistent liberal affection to think that a university education makes you into a good person, which is nonsense that is dispelled if you just take a very superficial look at the world today. quote:If you're empathetic and not a total idiot you'll end up becoming socialist with a fairly high likelihood. The problem is that people who become socialist out of empathy aren't a large enough slice of the population to prop up a socialist society if everyone else is opposed. People who became socialists out of empathy telling everyone else they lack empathy won't solve that problem. What are you even saying here? What are these other reasons for becoming socialist that don't involve empathy? oliwan fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jul 25, 2020 |
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Phlegmish posted:I assume it's intended as a joke, but that actually makes perfect sense and it would be interesting to start seeing it framed it that way. It's both a joke and makes perfect sense, Phleg, that's why it's true. Or so the Buddha teaches us. Lol, Ireland. Gonna tweet this at dijsselbloem and tell him to lick my taint.
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oliwan posted:What are you even saying here? What are these other reasons for becoming socialist that don't involve empathy?
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Phlegmish posted:Please stop, this is the same subforum that is always going on about guillotines and dancing on Reagan/Thatcher's grave. Personally this is a big issue for me and one that prevents me from being more overt. Naive as it is I don't want to hate anyone, even if they hate my guts for any number of things. I realize the necessity of violent opposition and even violent revolution but that level of violence and death scares me and seems like an ultimately doomed endeavor even if it's often the only way to get some concessions. It's certainly why I teach as that is one of the best ways that I feel I can improve society in my own piecemeal fashion. Education ought to and can be the tool that will lift us all and will continue to do so given the opportunity.
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Education will lift us all I say, while the most educated generation in the history of the world has historicaly high unemployment rates. Edit: I'm sorry,that's not a dig at you 100years. You're doing the best you can, and that's allright.but man, something is rotten in the state of Denmark, and it ain't getting fixed by learning more rhymes. It's getting fixed by this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z9Ismh1elM Antifa Poltergeist fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jul 25, 2020 |
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suck my woke dick posted:try to get the fygm vote to stop being poo poo by saying "but why do you have no empathy comrade" I have a couple of very (econ)liberal friends. Their answer to my accusation of lack of empathy is "no, you see, I have absolute faith in people and in their capability to provide for themselves, it's you who doesn't have faith in humanity and are paternalistic", which drives me into a blind rage (these discussions and others almost ended one of my friendships)
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Education will lift us all I say, while the most educated generation in the history of the world has historicaly high unemployment rates. I know what you mean. It's a genuine issue in a lot of places around the world. However it's undeniable that increased literacy rates are just objectively good. It's harder when it's not entirely clear what a "good" education would really consist of and how it's to be done (even if there seems to be a rather clear idea of at least what not to do), but when the issues of real life, like money, -isms, and the sheer variability of an individual's capabilities get involved it really becomes a monumental task. I can only imagine if we tossed as much money into teaching as is tossed into war things could get moving. I think? This is ignoring the fact the ways education can also be a very dangerous tool if it's used as propaganda and indoctrination which frankly... kinda does happen more often than we'd like to admit, even if its rather mild at times.
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suck my woke dick posted:
"satisfactory life" is inherently a moral and ideological judgement, and "society otherwise failing to provide a satisfactory life" being your motivation to pursue something is an a motivation inherently based on empathy.
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Orange Devil posted:"satisfactory life" is inherently a moral and ideological judgement, and "society otherwise failing to provide a satisfactory life" being your motivation to pursue something is an a motivation inherently based on empathy. Nah A satisfactory standard of living can also be established based on fairly abstract reasoning, or based on polling/observing the population. Some sort of ideological judgement is likely to be involved at setting the threshold between satisfactory and unsatisfactory, but that ideology may or may not rely on empathy (e.g. whatever level ensures optimum productivity or social stability or self-reported happiness). Equally, it is possible to advocate for a satisfactory standard of living for the population at large because you're e.g. a fairly non privileged member of society and think it's most practical to improve your living standard by ensuring everyone demands better living standards, or because you own some means of production but care enough about not being torn apart by the mob that you're willing to give up some or all of them. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Personally this is a big issue for me and one that prevents me from being more overt. Naive as it is I don't want to hate anyone, even if they hate my guts for any number of things. I realize the necessity of violent opposition and even violent revolution but that level of violence and death scares me and seems like an ultimately doomed endeavor even if it's often the only way to get some concessions. I'm also a teacher op and I do prepare the students for a violent revolution, so maybe that evens it out
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hell yah, i can finally live the Portuguese dream, to look at my fellow europeans with the disdain of a nouveau riche Antifa Poltergeist posted:Education will lift us all I say, while the most educated generation in the history of the world has historicaly high unemployment rates. I guess we are the most educated in terms of years spent, but i dunno the feeling I get from most 4 year bachelor+masters courses is they just funnel you out into the job market as fast as they can with a barely functional stamp on you Still, it's better than the technical schools, I lucked out that my parents didnt fall trap to their pitch Honest Thief fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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Isn't it just because they had less covid? But still you should definitely look down on your fellow Europeans concentrically, it's tradition
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Honest Thief posted:I guess we are the most educated in terms of years spent, but i dunno the feeling I get from most 4 year bachelor+masters courses is they just funnel you out into the job market as fast as they can with a barely functional stamp on you The main effect was diploma inflation, you need tertiary education for what seems like the majority of jobs now, but there's no guarantee you'll actually get that job.
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Phlegmish posted:The main effect was diploma inflation, you need tertiary education for what seems like the majority of jobs now, but there's no guarantee you'll actually get that job. oliwan posted:try explaining my boomer dad that my two MA degrees don't equate to a 6 figgie salary and I don't even have a problem with tertiary education not being a guaranteed upper middle class job if it's explicitly intended for everyone. The issue is when jobs that have nothing to do with having a BA demand a BA, but that's just a filter either socially (if university attendance is too biased towards the middle class and above) or practically (because it means you can employ half as many HR drones to toss applications in the trash). suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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Honest Thief posted:Still, it's better than the technical schools, I lucked out that my parents didnt fall trap to their pitch In terms of actually preparing people for a real (i.e. not bullshit admin/management) job, technical schools should be expanded into a viable option that doesn't just exist to fleece people for a few extra years before they end up on benefits.
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suck my woke dick posted:
I feel like it's mainly meant to 'filter out' applicants, and it probably does somewhat function as intended in that sense. I doubt we've become all that much more knowledgeable as a society, though. We probably all know people with university degrees, who even had good grades, who still fail to understand the world around them at a basic level, simply because it doesn't interest them. I'm not talking about having the wrong opinions or reaching misguided conclusions, just thinking about it at all. Having the self-discipline to diligently attend classes and learn things by heart for 4-5 years doesn't necessarily mean you have an inquenchable thirst for knowledge and understanding, that you're a true modern-day homo universalis or a specialist in your field. In many cases it just means you're ambitious, and it's a means to an end.
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I had to explain to a classmate in a masters level business course why monopolies are not good. One of my professors basically advocated technocracy over democracy. There is no level of education one can reach that guarantees someone not to be an utter loving idiot.
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Highly educated idiots rule the world around us.
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More integration? NEIN debt Relief for PIGS? NEIN Austerity EU wide? JAVHOL
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Phlegmish posted:I feel like it's mainly meant to 'filter out' applicants, and it probably does somewhat function as intended in that sense. quote:I doubt we've become all that much more knowledgeable as a society, though. We probably all know people with university degrees, who even had good grades, who still fail to understand the world around them at a basic level, simply because it doesn't interest them. I'm not talking about having the wrong opinions or reaching misguided conclusions, just thinking about it at all. Having the self-discipline to diligently attend classes and learn things by heart for 4-5 years doesn't necessarily mean you have an inquenchable thirst for knowledge and understanding, that you're a true modern-day homo universalis or a specialist in your field. In many cases it just means you're ambitious, and it's a means to an end. Agreed, and it speaks to a need to rework university curriculums to be less focused on testing memory on factoids and instead (or additionally) test for applying knowledge in a novel context. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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MiddleOne posted:Highly educated idiots rule the world around us. It's called meritocracy, and the merit comes from a piece of paper, not any knowledge in your brain or (spits) actual accomplishments.
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suck my woke dick posted:It functions in that corporations can efficiently reject applications and discourage many applicants from applying in the first place, meaning they have a more easily handled number of applicants from which they can pick an adequate employee. Unless we're talking about highly technical jobs, this may filter out total idiots, but overall it doesn't necessarily mean that the hired employee is better qualified than if you took a pick from a decent number of non college educated applicants. Obtaining a bachelor or master's degree, no matter the field, is not a simple matter. Not everyone is capable of it, nor should that be the case. It does imply a minimum of both intelligence and self-discipline, or at least if you don't have enough of one of these, you need to compensate by having more of the other. That's why I said it does 'function' in the sense of setting up a basic and easily verified hurdle for a certain type of white-collar job, filtering applicants that way. The obvious problem is that it doesn't necessarily make you more qualified for that job. There are many other factors that go into that, such as attitude, mentality, prior experience, and so on. So yes, at the same time, it's something that HR does with the intent of reducing their workload and streamlining the hiring process.
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University is not meant to teach you a "job"; that is what vocational colleges and technical institutes are for etc. I understand that different countries have different systems and some also call vocational school and colleges "universities", but an academic university doesn't prepare you for a specific job, it prepares you to be an academic (although most people will not go into academia of course).
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in practice, the difference between universities and technical colleges has been getting very blurred for the past couple of decades, with the decline of most universities as places for reproducing elites and mass access to higher education driving a constant need for the academy to justify its social cost. it's done this by churning out technical specialists meant for the modern labour market as well as a genuinely shocking amount of bullshitmongers of various stripes - teaching people to for the purpose of being 'better people' is still a part of it, but it's mainly a way of socialising people into the professional middle class - hence the increasing tendency towards mandatory assignments and teaching and de-emphasis on the idea of determining one's own courseload you do still have some of the old elite reproduction at certain very select institutions (oxbridge, the sorbonne, idk but maybe humboldt in germany?, a couple of top american unis), but for the most part there's awfully little light between polytechnical colleges and universities these days
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MiddleOne posted:How is this union ever going to survive this decade https://twitter.com/fwred/status/1289113986055712769?s=19 Its not going to survive the decade. The long peace is over and darkness is coming.
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