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Philthy posted:tell me how minorities feel about each other Actually most minorities are socially conservative. The "liberals" are a politically active class and many minorities are allied to the "liberal" party of the democrats because who else can they ally with lamao. The liberal democratic party is still a white supremacist party, it is an instrument of a white supremacist state.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:The refusal to help the NRCC is all the more striking because House Republicans in safe seats recently contributed to the president’s reelection, making donations of tens of thousands of dollars at the request of his campaign. ahahahaha
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Jul 26, 2020 06:25
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pseudanonymous posted:How can they possibly be this loving blind to what he is. Or is this laying the ground for how Trump was never a true Republican? Wait why would they bother to lay the ground, they'll just say it no matter what. they were all stupid enough to believe they were part of the grift, and not the targets of it
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Jul 26, 2020 06:41
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i know we all already know about herman cain getting the covid, but seeing his previous comments on it make it all the better: https://twitter.com/Rschooley/status/1287164935936413696
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Jul 26, 2020 06:46
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:But Kushner, who oversees such decisions and has a greater say than RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, has refused thus far, the officials say. While the Trump campaign and the RNC have brought in record amounts of money, some Trump officials see donating to the House as a wasteful investment as the GOP’s chances of reclaiming the majority sharply deteriorate. But I thought they wanted a president who'd run things like a CEO!
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Jul 26, 2020 08:27
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The conservatives have their tendrils all over the Democratic party anyway so they really don't need Trump anymore, and him bungling this pandemic and destroying the economy is actually hurting them.
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Jul 26, 2020 08:38
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:The rejection has angered some Republicans, many of whom believe the president has a duty to help the party — not just himself. lmao it has been five years how do they still not get it
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Jul 26, 2020 16:31
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Grape posted:ahahahaha I guess they never watched Trump's classic "Snake" story he told at the 2016 primary rallies?
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Jul 26, 2020 17:41
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:full disclosure tho, my father has gone from progressive/lib to centrist/lib to nowadays i have to carefully explain why something he heard on fox news is wrong, he's aware enough to tell me he watches it bc it's "funny" but i'm p sure it's his major news source aside from counterprogramming i email him. he was enthusiastically for hillary in 2008, reluctantly voted for her in 2016, now he's talking about how he might "have to" vote GOP bc he's scared of socialism. this is a man who has retired comfortably thanks to a pension and supplemental health plan won by his union. at least we both agree biden is too loving old (he liked buttigieg) My dad started out by saying Fox News was funny about 10 years ago, but we always watched CNN growing up. He's a full blown chud now and tries to get me to watch Fox because it's the only news that tells the truth and that my dead mom is rolling over in her grave that I'm a dirty lib. Nevermind she was a lib, too, so... whatever chud dad. miniscule12 posted:Actually most minorities are socially conservative. The "liberals" are a politically active class and many minorities are allied to the "liberal" party of the democrats because who else can they ally with lamao. I can't tell if you're actually being serious here or not. Do you walk around downtown screaming at people with pants on your head when you're not posting? Philthy has issued a correction as of 18:12 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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Jul 26, 2020 18:08
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Philthy posted:I can't tell if you're actually being serious here or not. Do you walk around downtown screaming at people with pants on your head when you're not posting? I don't know about "most" but he's correct that minority groups are not necessarily socially liberal by default. Many would happily be Republicans if Republicans weren't so openly white nationalist.
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Jul 26, 2020 18:24
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Philthy posted:I can't tell if you're actually being serious here or not. Do you walk around downtown screaming at people with pants on your head when you're not posting? I see you're a very serious poster who knows what is and what is not serious. What part of my post do you think is silly?
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Jul 26, 2020 18:43
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:
Hahaha imagine spending your career selling your soul to grey-faced Christian dominionists only to have less of a say on where your money goes than some late 30-something who is in his position exclusively because he's ploughing the president's daughter
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Jul 26, 2020 18:46
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miniscule12 posted:I see you're a very serious poster who knows what is and what is not serious. What part of my post do you think is silly? "Most minorities are socially conservative" is serious? Generalizing a 'group' of people that encompasses a huge number of ethnicities, ages, genders, and experiences in general, may of whom would have a wildly different idea of what conservatism even means is kinda donkey-brained if it's not a joke.
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Jul 26, 2020 18:52
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flashy_mcflash posted:"Most minorities are socially conservative" is serious? If that's fair then I'd imagine "Most minorities are liberal" is the same.
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Jul 26, 2020 19:10
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miniscule12 posted:If that's fair then I'd imagine "Most minorities are liberal" is the same. Sounds like both of those were pretty stupid posts
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Jul 26, 2020 19:19
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African Americans and Hispanics are quite socially conservative in general far more than voting patterns suggest so if the GOP ever stops actively trying to kill them Democrats could be in real trouble.
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Jul 26, 2020 19:27
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flashy_mcflash posted:"Most minorities are socially conservative" is serious? As a Hispanic dude, obviously you haven't been around older Hispanic folk.
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Jul 26, 2020 19:29
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Forceholy posted:As a Hispanic dude, obviously you haven't been around older Hispanic folk. As an Indian dude I have been around plenty of older immigrant folks. Older people (of all ethnicities) generally are more conservative but that's a real different thing from saying that most 'minorities' are.
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Jul 26, 2020 19:31
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flashy_mcflash posted:As an Indian dude I have been around plenty of older immigrant folks. Older people (of all ethnicities) generally are more conservative but that's a real different thing from saying that most 'minorities' are. Most white people are. Why can't other minorities?
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Jul 26, 2020 19:32
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Herman cain being in the hospital for 3+ weeks means he got it pretty loving bad
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Jul 26, 2020 19:35
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Most white people are. Why can't other minorities? Minorities means a teenaged Japanese kid. Minorities means a middle aged Sri Lankan woman. Minorities means an elderly black man. Minorities means a 25 year old trans Hispanic person. It's neither useful nor accurate to generalize that all these people have any of the same beliefs.
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Jul 26, 2020 19:37
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flashy_mcflash posted:Minorities means a teenaged Japanese kid. Minorities means a middle aged Sri Lankan woman. Minorities means an elderly black man. Minorities means a 25 year old trans Hispanic person. It's neither useful nor accurate to generalize that all these people have any of the same beliefs. Do you know what the word "most" means or...? You appear to be fetishizing minorities as leftist vanguards, when in fact they can be just as lovely as white cishet people
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Jul 26, 2020 19:40
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Do you know what the word "most" means or...? Where is it proven that 'most minorities are socially conservative'? E: it sounds like about 35% of Americans self describe as socially conservative, which is roughly in line with the amount of minorities in the US but that wouldn't account for any white Conservatives. flashy_mcflash has issued a correction as of 19:51 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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Jul 26, 2020 19:41
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flashy_mcflash posted:Where is it proven that 'most minorities are socially conservative'? The existence of Japanese-American teenagers does not make ethnic minority groups any less prone to reactionary conservative politics, sorry. I'm sure there are plenty of young POC here who can tell you what growing up in their households was like (and already have, though you've chosen to ignore them)
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Jul 26, 2020 19:44
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Cup Runneth Over posted:The existence of Japanese-American teenagers does not make ethnic minority groups any less prone to reactionary conservative politics, sorry. I'm sure there are plenty of young POC here who can tell you what growing up in their households was like (and already have, though you've chosen to ignore them) I am a POC and while my parents were liberal, I understand and am keenly aware that that isn't most people's experience. But old people are not the only ones you're talking about when you say minorities. The assertion that social conservatism is the dominant ideology among all minorities is just not supported by facts.
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flashy_mcflash posted:I am a POC and while my parents were liberal, I understand and am keenly aware that that isn't most people's experience. But old people are not the only ones you're talking about when you say minorities. i would actually be curious what the crosstabs are on for instance black people 18-35 who voted on gay marriage laws before it was legal nationwide, my understanding is that even those groups voted more socially conservative on those issues than white people but I don't think I've seen the actual data like that's an issue where it's just pure social values, you don't have to worry about am I putting a racist in office or whatever, so I assume it would be a better way to see a group's generalized social attitudes, looking at stuff like that, but I mean that's just one issue I dunno how many we've actually had votes on i'm sure there's polling too though Stefan Prodan has issued a correction as of 19:55 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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Philthy posted:My dad started out by saying Fox News was funny about 10 years ago, but we always watched CNN growing up. He's a full blown chud now and tries to get me to watch Fox because it's the only news that tells the truth and that my dead mom is rolling over in her grave that I'm a dirty lib. Nevermind she was a lib, too, so... whatever chud dad. that’s my concern, also he had a crush on sarah palin and recently seems to be into judge jeanine, idk what im supposed to do with that, it’s dumb as gently caress
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Jul 26, 2020 19:54
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Stefan Prodan posted:i would actually be curious what the crosstabs are on for instance black people 18-35 who voted on gay marriage laws before it was legal nationwide, my understanding is that even those groups voted more socially conservative on those issues than white people but I don't think I've seen the actual data I'd be curious too. I've never seen data either but it's always been asserted that as a group, minorities were more conservative on LGBT issues in particular and people seem to have internalized that idea. Same with other social issues.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:The existence of Japanese-American teenagers does not make ethnic minority groups any less prone to reactionary conservative politics, sorry. I'm sure there are plenty of young POC here who can tell you what growing up in their households was like (and already have, though you've chosen to ignore them) Two POC shared their experience itt so far, one of which is the guy you're arguing with. 
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Jul 26, 2020 20:24
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Grape posted:Two POC shared their experience itt so far, one of which is the guy you're arguing with. And the other is a guy he's arguing with 
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Jul 26, 2020 20:33
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Lmao a significant amount of the Indian American community is and was pro trump simce he Saber rattled China and is also pro modi of course they all freaked out when confronted with his immigration policies that made no such distinction
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Jul 26, 2020 20:36
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The way the immigration system works in selecting immigrants from countries like China and India would tend to select for those who are well off and privileged back in the home country, and these people are not likely to be fiscally liberal in outlook even if they might be indifferent to American social issues (The right to AR-15s and abortions just aren't issues in most other countries the way they are in the US). Here's my hot take as a non-white non-citizen living in the US: American liberals ultimately are optimistic in their outlook with respect the the idea of America generally, and thus they have it in their minds that people who immigrate to America must be doing so out of ideological alignment with their idea of liberal American values (i.e. not the genocide and the apartheid, the other ones) because the alternative, that most of those people either don't give a poo poo or actively disagree with them, and are really just there either because the job they do pays better in America than it does back home, or their home is a war zone, just isn't ideologically palatable. This is a very well known trope in immigrant families - children who were born in the US and indoctrinated in the mainstream American worldview are endlessly in conflict with their parents who are relics of the old country with their quaint, parochial political incorrectness. I'm not drawing any grand conclusions or making any policy recommendations, just observing.
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Jul 26, 2020 20:49
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Roman Catholic Mexicans are extremely liberal, lmfao Get real dude
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Jul 26, 2020 20:58
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I'm SUCH an ally that nothing will dissuade me, not even actual POCs telling me I'm wrong and to stop! Such is my commitment!
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Jul 26, 2020 21:06
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Throatwarbler posted:The way the immigration system works in selecting immigrants from countries like China and India would tend to select for those who are well off and privileged back in the home country, and these people are not likely to be fiscally liberal in outlook
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Jul 26, 2020 21:22
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Sounds exactly like someone who’d be fiscally liberal? If you're using 'liberal' to mean neoliberal, then yes. If you're using it to mean 'left-wing', then ahahahahahahahahano.
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I am also POC but this isn't about an individual's perspective. This argument was about broad trends. It should be about trump voters dying.
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loving so over all my CHUD coworkers and FB morons bitching constantly about the UEI benefits. CNN had a headline today saying something to the effect that business owners can't find workers and blame the $600 thing. loving Christ. First of all, the whole idea is to pay people to stay home and stop the spread of C19. Secondly, that entire $600 goes right back into the economy (rent, food, utilities, medicine, etc.) Third, wtf about people who lost their motherfucking health insurance or their kid's insurance? Assuming these poo poo jobs even offer it I mean. A COBRA payment would cut into that with rather long fangs. Fourth: When schools went to online learning (which was a complete poo poo show all in itself) it required someone be at home to watch the kid(s) OR coming up with money for a tutor or a babysitter. So, in the rare event that you COULD work from home, you STILL had to do your job AND play teacher to your kid. My ex wife (as well as myself) went through it and it was a god damned nightmare. Lastly, isn't the ultimate takeaway here that people aren't getting paid enough at their lovely jobs and not that everyone is a lazy loving freeloader? And what the gently caress do you care if someone is temporarily making slightly more money to stem the spread of a deadly virus for a short amount of time while you're secure at your job and are considered essential? No one's bitching about the billions of dollars that went to companies who didn't even need it, several of whom were directly tied to lobbyists and congressmen who curried political favor and donations. We're just so god damned mean spirited it's depressing. But aren't many of the people on UEI Trump voters? They have to be right? You ask me, we're mad at the wrong people and the wrong things. POOR PEOPLE are not taking all the money, you bunch of angry cement heads. Honestly won't be surprised if the next round of aid, if it happens at all, is tied to a mandatory drug test, church volunteer service, enrolling in the military or some other dumb poo poo as, meanwhile, half the country calls that a splendid idea.
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Throatwarbler posted:The way the immigration system works in selecting immigrants from countries like China and India would tend to select for those who are well off and privileged back in the home country, and these people are not likely to be fiscally liberal in outlook even if they might be indifferent to American social issues (The right to AR-15s and abortions just aren't issues in most other countries the way they are in the US). the stuff about the views of recent immigrants (and the americanization of their kids) agrees with what i've observed. but i don't really hear many libs assuming recent immigrants must be socially liberal, so much as assuming that non-white or non-christian immigrants will vote against candidates who are bigoted towards them. this ignores that someone who's new to a country a) may reflexively accept being "othered" as reasonable since they're new, and b) may not have enough cultural fluency to fully understand the dogwhistles and their implications like a native. however their kids are much less likely to have those blind spots. this is also related to a lot of the classic 2017-2018 thread content: woman voted trump and then trump deported the father of her kids; arab christians voted trump for muslim ban, get deported; border patrol officer voted trump then finds out he was actually born in mexico and he's being deported; etc etc
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miniscule12 posted:I am also POC but this isn't about an individual's perspective. This argument was about broad trends. I still think those trends are based on questionable information but if they're not, COVID is definitely affecting POC (especially black people) disproportionately so if they're mostly social conservatives they're dying.
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