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victrix posted:Dungeonmans really suffers from a) the name and b) the impression you get in the first hour or two This is a good post about a good game and I'm very tempted to reinstall Dungeonmans and play some more of it, despite my massive backlog.  Angry Diplomat posted:Qud's current final dungeon is a fantastic challenge that absolutely oozes lore and atmosphere. I was loving captivated the whole way through, finished my run at like 1am in the morning, and lay awake thinking about it for another hour. It's a genuinely incomparable experience and one of the coolest loving things I have ever seen in any roguelike, or possibly any game at all. I'm waiting until the new UI is fully in and then I cannot WAIT to go ham on this game, it's wild to me that the SA forums are home to several of the best roguelike devs the world has ever seen. Dmans and Caves of Qud are masterclasses in their genre in very different directions.
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StrixNebulosa posted:This is a good post about a good game and I'm very tempted to reinstall Dungeonmans and play some more of it, despite my massive backlog. From everything I read about Qud here it's a masterpiece and I wish I liked post-apoc themes more so I would feel like I should buy it/would enjoy it, but I definitely have to pick Dungeonmans up again, it's clearly it's gotten a ton of love since my last run years ago (and it was really good then, I just sucked at it!)
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describing qud as post-apocalyptic is kind of a bad thing to do since it's so alien that there's basically no context of a society that we even remotely recognize.
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Johnny Joestar posted:describing qud as post-apocalyptic is kind of a bad thing to do since it's so alien that there's basically no context of a society that we even remotely recognize. Post-post-apocalyptic.
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Jul 26, 2020 20:11
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mostly it's that 'post-apocalyptic' in the gaming world carries certain connotations and qud really doesn't match up with most of them
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Jul 26, 2020 20:39
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IIRC Qud's apocalypse was something like "It used to be the Jetsons, but then a mathematician figured out a really Bad Secret and reality started to unravel."
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Jul 26, 2020 20:53
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Qud's brand of post-apocalypse kinda strikes me as A Canticle for Leibowitz with less Catholicism (and more mutated wildlife that eats your face(s), but that's neither here nor there)
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Jul 26, 2020 20:59
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Qud always gives me Gamma World vibes, although I have not played the pen & paper version in ages.
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Jul 26, 2020 21:11
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Dallan Invictus posted:From everything I read about Qud here it's a masterpiece and I wish I liked post-apoc themes more so I would feel like I should buy it/would enjoy it, but I definitely have to pick Dungeonmans up again, it's clearly it's gotten a ton of love since my last run years ago (and it was really good then, I just sucked at it!) Okay realtalk: regardless of what you think about its themes, try it. Please try it. The writing is spectacular and the gameplay moreso.
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Johnny Joestar posted:describing qud as post-apocalyptic is kind of a bad thing to do since it's so alien that there's basically no context of a society that we even remotely recognize. An extremely common bad thing, but yes, I'm not calling it Mad Max or something like Fallout or Wasteland (but I bounced hard off of those games so I don't have the context of What It Means In Gaming to contrast it with) but it did trip those signals in my brain and apparently in a lot of others. Like Smirr says, closer to something like Canticle. StrixNebulosa posted:Okay realtalk: regardless of what you think about its themes, try it. Please try it. The writing is spectacular and the gameplay moreso. That's why I've had it wishlisted so I expect I will try it eventually. Even if I end up hating it the sheer craft deserves reward so I won't feel too bad. Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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Jul 26, 2020 21:16
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Thanks for whoever upthread was spreading the good word about In Celebration of Violence. Great game for $8.
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Dallan Invictus posted:From everything I read about Qud here it's a masterpiece and I wish I liked post-apoc themes more so I would feel like I should buy it/would enjoy it, but I definitely have to pick Dungeonmans up again, it's clearly it's gotten a ton of love since my last run years ago (and it was really good then, I just sucked at it!) specific lore aside, the vibe reminds me most of Morrowind. in fact it's the only game that actually reminds of Morrowind. "oh, my hand has become covered in eyes because of a mushroom? bit weird"
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Qud reminded me of the Book of the New Sun and Viriconium (or insert any dying earth book here probably) which have a similar vibe of being so long past a fallen society it isn't remotely Fallout or something but a strange new creation with just a vague memory of past greatness. I'm extremely over the aesthetic grittiness of most post apocalyptic settings so I feel you on that.
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It's like if Numenura was way darker and weirder.
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it really depends on whether the current state of affairs seems more like the shattered remnants of a fallen civilisation or if it seems like its own functional society built on the ruins of the precursors that's like the thing with bethesda fallout where in 3 it's been hundreds of years since the bombs dropped and yet still everyone is just living in bombed out buildings scavenging for food in ruined supermarkets as opposed to the non-bethesda ones where there are actual realized societies that exist as their own things
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The real knowledge lost in the apocalypse was basic housekeeping and hygiene
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Turin Turambar posted:Post-post-apocalyptic. This is how I have described Qud
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cock hero flux posted:it really depends on whether the current state of affairs seems more like the shattered remnants of a fallen civilisation or if it seems like its own functional society built on the ruins of the precursors Pretty much, yeah. "Science fantasy" feels like a better description, in the sense that "functional society built on the ruins of the precursors" is a dime a dozen in fantasy worlds but it feels different somehow when the ruins are technological instead of magical. Anyway, that cognitive bias, plus stuff like water-as-currency and the survival aspects gave me the impression of the first but a lot of other stuff I read about it feels like it's doing the second, and realising it in a really impressive way. Plus it's on sale for one more day so I'll take that as a sign - thanks thread for showing me the light. Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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Smirr posted:Qud's brand of post-apocalypse kinda strikes me as A Canticle for Leibowitz with less Catholicism (and more mutated wildlife that eats your face(s), but that's neither here nor there) Oh man, Qud always reminded me of something but I could never quite put my finger on what it was. It was Canticle for Leibowitz; thank you
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Jul 27, 2020 02:25
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One of the quests that's been in the game for most of its existence is named after A Canticle for Leibowitz. It's the one you get after giving Argyve some wire, where he sends you to the Barathrumites.
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A bit late to the convo, but the way I'd describe the tone and humor in Dungeonmans is that it is kinda like The Princess Bride of roguelikes.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:One of the quests that's been in the game for most of its existence is named after A Canticle for Leibowitz. It's the one you get after giving Argyve some wire, where he sends you to the Barathrumites. And yet, I didn't get it until just now
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Jul 27, 2020 03:43
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I forgot I had Dungeonmans in my Steam account and fired it up today. Only an hour in, but this game's visuals are sharp and gorgeous. Better still, immediate native support for HJKLYUBN, no custom key confuckery required. Even in menus. I love you, Madjack.
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Nordick posted:A bit late to the convo, but the way I'd describe the tone and humor in Dungeonmans is that it is kinda like The Princess Bride of roguelikes. Ya know I think this is why I could never really get into Dundeonmans, The Princess Bride is just OK when it comes to humor and playing a whole game of that got a little tired. Im all for levity but I dont think the game hits that fine line. Different strokes I guess.
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Is FTL considered a rogue like?
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RC Cola posted:Is FTL considered a rogue like? we don't talk about the orangutan
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cock hero flux posted:we don't talk about the orangutan I don't get it, but I love ftl. I realize I need to download stone soup again or dungeons of dreadmore. I miss rogue likes
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RC Cola posted:Is FTL considered a rogue like? Yeah. Possibly more roguelite but it ticks those boxes.
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New episode of Roguelike Radio has got me jonesing to try my hand at Sil
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So I like ftl, stone soup, and dungeons of dreadmore. Recommend me another rogue like to try out please. Is slay the spire rogue like? If so I love that as well
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RC Cola posted:So I like ftl, stone soup, and dungeons of dreadmore. Recommend me another rogue like to try out please. Is slay the spire rogue like? If so I love that as well Try Invisible, Inc (turn-based rogue-like with unlockables like FTL with a very tight design) or Heat Signature (real-time rogue-lite from the creators of Gunpoint). Everyone eventually loses a month to Tales of Maj'Eyal, which is free but has paid DLC, and comes away wondering how they could fix it.
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beer gas canister posted:New episode of Roguelike Radio has got me jonesing to try my hand at Sil Huh. Roguelike Radio is still going on? Good to hear- I assumed it was dead.
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RC Cola posted:So I like ftl, stone soup, and dungeons of dreadmore. Recommend me another rogue like to try out please. Is slay the spire rogue like? If so I love that as well if you're comfortable with Stone Soup try Caves of Qud. If you'd like a similar game but a bit more forgiving and focused, play Dungeonmans. If you want a non-turn based action game, try In Celebration of Violence. played a couple of runs in Sil. it's drat cool. the tiny rooms and expressive enemy AI create a stifling atmosphere.
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Heat Signature is amazing. Everyone should play it.
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Nordick posted:A bit late to the convo, but the way I'd describe the tone and humor in Dungeonmans is that it is kinda like The Princess Bride of roguelikes. The tone in that game is "isn't it funny when adults speak like four year olds?" To which the answer is "No". Slay the Spire is roguelite rather than roguelike, but play it anyway because it's great.
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Sil (no comment on it's fork, Sil-Q) is an amazing staple of the genre and is a gold standard up there with DoomRL for having a (RL) vision and hitting it out of the park. Honestly, if the main branch ever fired back up and rebalanced smithing the game would be subjectively perfect. For people picking it up for the first time: Look for Deb's optimized early game build. Getting past the orc swarm of 250' and into the cool kooky poo poo of 400'+ will allow you to explore most of its great tactical options.
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I was about to start Streets of Rogue and to my surprise, no one did a thread about it here in SA. Goons, you disappoint me. From what I understand of the game, it fits nicely in what usually goons love, a thread for it would have been successful.
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I played dmans for the first time in ages yesterday and died to the boss in the second dungeon
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Captain Foo posted:I played dmans for the first time in ages yesterday and died to the boss in the second dungeon The game does not mess around. Even veterans die to early-game bosses, because the margins of error are smaller and you have fewer tools to work with.
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