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Hipster_Doofus posted:Actually, isn't he the still the only one we know of (other than half of B'Elanna Torres)?
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Eighty-EIGHT? Jfc I'm  .
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Jul 26, 2020 00:39
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I have a handful of episodes left of my Voyager rewatch and I might have to change my take a little bit. I think there might be almost two seasons worth of good episodes instead of one.
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Jul 26, 2020 01:45
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The opening to Impulse in season 3 of ENT was loving hilarious. T'Pol screaming, thrashing, yelling conspiracy theorioes as she's restrained to a bio bed in sickbay, then she screams as loud as humanly possible, and it HARD CUTS to "it's been a loooong roaad~..."
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Jul 26, 2020 02:56
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Are you sure that’s better than a few episodes earlier with Extinction, where a guy gets loving blow torched to death while screaming in agony and then smash cuts to “ITS BEEN A LOOONG ROAD...”
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Jul 26, 2020 02:58
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*Earth is exploded by the Xindi weapon* It's been a long road...
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Jul 26, 2020 03:01
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Lol someone should do a youtube of all the good (bad) ones.
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Jul 26, 2020 03:18
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Does that include the 10 second one where Travis reads a book, gets called to the bridge and then the credits kick in?
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Jul 26, 2020 03:23
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Zaroff posted:Does that include the 10 second one where Travis reads a book, gets called to the bridge and then the credits kick in? If anything that's more in the spirit of Trek than all the rest
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Jul 26, 2020 03:30
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Yeah, it's loving awful not just because of the song, but also because it really does just smash cut into it without skipping a beat. Every other Trek intro has a slow buildup but Enterprise just cannot wait to smash that Adult Contemporary Soft Rock button.
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Jul 26, 2020 04:11
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Which is a shame because the original theme song was actually quite good.
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HD DAD posted:Which is a shame because the original theme song was actually quite good. Archer's Theme? It's okay but it's a bit anemic for my taste and still has that dated soft rock guitar accompaniment in the back half. I've said it before, but they really should have just reused the score from Generations. This video is a couple little timing fixes away from being a really solid intro and that score does so much more to sell the "pioneering early days of space" nature of the visuals than Faith of The loving Heart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOK_NCM0kko
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Jul 26, 2020 04:19
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This is still the best alternate theme for Enterprise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4IlgtwHmA
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Jul 26, 2020 04:23
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I liked Archer's Theme. My only real disappointment with the Enterprise intro though, is that we never got this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNgbZMEr8FA
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Epicurius posted:I liked Archer's Theme. My only real disappointment with the Enterprise intro though, is that we never got this: loving lmao holy poo poo
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Jul 26, 2020 04:53
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Epicurius posted:I liked Archer's Theme. My only real disappointment with the Enterprise intro though, is that we never got this: oh my GOD lmao
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Jul 26, 2020 05:28
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Lol someone should do a youtube of all the good (bad) ones. I saw one once, I think it got dmcaed
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Jul 26, 2020 05:33
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Epicurius posted:I liked Archer's Theme. My only real disappointment with the Enterprise intro though, is that we never got this: ohhhh so this is what conservative Star Trek fans see
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Epicurius posted:I liked Archer's Theme. My only real disappointment with the Enterprise intro though, is that we never got this:  The timing on certain lyrics + visuals is astounding
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Shran: Archer, someone's been killing Andorians! You have to help us! Archer: I've got a hunch this might be another Andorian doing this. Either way, someone's definitely going to be... <puts on sunglasses> ...feeling blue. IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD
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Voyager rewatch log S7 e6 Inside Man Seriously skippable filler episode, even with the guest stars and the Ferengi. Also, Doc, that guy was on the ship for like two days. You can spend two days in sickbay while he wanders around. S7 Body and Soul It's a Seven episode! It's a Doctor episode! It's a Doctor-in-Seven episode! (Not like that... Well, a little like that. But only a little) Jeri Ryan's impression of the Doctor is great and she sells the hell out of eating cheesecake for the first time. E10 Shattered Probably the most fun series retrospective I've seen. I liked Kate Mulgrew's pre-launch Janeway's reaction to the seven years of horror she was about to put everyone through. E13 Prophecy "What's it like running the show while Rick and Brannon are gone for a month?" "We're doing a Klingon episode! Neelix fucks! B'Elanna's baby is the chosen one!" "... Ehh, not the worst idea I've heard for a Trek script. Let me know how I can help." E13 The Void It's not bad. Janeway holds true to the Federation ideals she believes in (when she's not overriding the medical decisions of her crew) and everything works out.
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Hello everyone, I’m watching TOS for the first time and it’s real good. This post isn’t interesting and I apologize for that
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sponges posted:Hello everyone, I’m watching TOS for the first time and it’s real good. Have you had any favorite stories yet? My own big TOS impression has been that the pop culture vision of Kirk is actually really bad, and the entire thing is in a way like a selection of mid-century American theatrical performance - in a good way!
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Star Trek Enterprise Season 3 Episode 16: "Doctor's Orders" - A Summary. [see summary for star trek voyager season 4 episode 25 "one" but find/replace "seven" with "doctor phlox"]
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Yeah that was pretty egregious. Though gently caress it, I like both.
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I am also trying to get through TOS in fits and starts. I don't think it is all that great. Most of the early episodes are pretty boring. I like The Naked Time and The Enemy Within for their schlock though. Menagerie has some interesting stuff, but it's just a shell around the pilot, stretching it out over two episodes? I feel like Shatner has a few moments, but I am being very forgiving. I have yet to see any evidence for his supposed overlooked genius though. It's funny, but because the progressiveness of the show has been talked up so much the instances of misogyny, dated stuff and Roddenberry pervyness sticks out even more. It especially sucks whenever Spock breaks character to say something inappropriate to a lady. thotsky fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jul 26, 2020 |
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So how much of Geordi's awkwardness with women was Burton's printer-carrying nature coming through? I love the guy but that tweet could trigger an Oof Alert in Spacedock
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sponges posted:Hello everyone, I’m watching TOS for the first time and it’s real good. TOSposting is always welcome friend.
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thotsky posted:
The show is 54 years old. It was fairly progressive for the day, but obviously it's going to look bad now. Don't watch any old James Bond, he's basically a serial rapist.
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thotsky posted:Menagerie has some interesting stuff, but it's just a shell around the pilot, stretching it out over two episodes? Sure, but the pilot wasn't aired back then, and in fact the first time it saw general release was in the late 80s. Did you start with The Cage? It's really not the best place to start IMO.
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Of course its progressive nature doesn't hold up to today's standards, it's crazy to think that it would. You've got to look at the show in the context of its time—when Pike says that he'll never get used to having a woman on the bridge, that's cringeworthy today. But at the time it was speaking directly to men who were having to adjust to the growing presence of women in the workforce and were confronted with similar attitudes in their own offices. But then you get to watch Number One go on and crush it for the rest of the episode and show that treating women like equals in the workplace is the way toward progress. It didn't get it perfect, but for its moment it was sending the right message to the audience who was viewing it. Sure, there's some stuff that was regressive even for its moment—but you can say the same thing about any Trek show, including the ones that are airing right now.
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Most of the people who took pains to talk up its progressiveness were in the late 80s-early 90s when I think the distinction was less clear. As for Shatner I'm not sure I'd call him an overlooked genius, but Kirk in the actual show is not like Movie-Era/memetic Kirk much at all.
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thotsky posted:I am also trying to get through TOS in fits and starts. I don't think it is all that great. There's a particular Spock moment early on that's especially egregious: chuckling over Rand's attempted rape at the end of The Enemy Within. I think it's an excellent episode, with a lot of good philosophical stuff about humanity. But that moment is honestly one of the worst of the entire series, and I say that as a fan of TOS. One really good Shatner moment comes much later than you seem to be in your watch/rewatch: the "risk is our business" speech in Return To Tomorrow (an otherwise fairly mediocre episode). He's also great in City on the Edge of Forever. It's season three where the MST3K-like Shatner moments really start.
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Nessus posted:Most of the people who took pains to talk up its progressiveness were in the late 80s-early 90s when I think the distinction was less clear. Yeah, Kirk Drift is a thing and it's pretty annoying.
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thotsky posted:I am also trying to get through TOS in fits and starts. I don't think it is all that great. It's an old TV show, with some charming actors. It's much more theatrical that modern TV, and sometimes has some interesting concepts. If you're into the production side at all it's great to watch the props, laugh at the mirrored light shone onto Kirk's face during "intense" shots, and enjoy the switch in and out of soft focus during a conversation between a man and a woman. It's generally a hopeful show too, even if it does clumsily trip over its own feet with the sexism. There are a handful of actually good episodes, my personal favourite is The City on the Edge of Forever, but they're not all winners, and some are just a white noise plot, some fisticuffs, then flying away. The misogyny actually lead to a real world conversation - there was some comment Kirk made about one of the women would leave the crew once she got married. It blew my friend's mind when I explained that until fairly recently women in many jobs (including the public service) were required to leave their job once they got married. Acknowledging that misogyny exists in many forms is something that old Star Trek is still achieving.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Yeah, Kirk Drift is a thing and it's pretty annoying. That article ignores the numerous examples of kirk's male gaze (and the soft-focus lens they use to indicate his infatuation)
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Yeah, Kirk Drift is a thing and it's pretty annoying. This article/blog is excellent. The popular notion of Kirk as a womanizer who charges into situations is a major pet peeve of mine. It's not only untrue but contradicted by a lot of situations in the original where Kirk used diplomacy and cunning instead of "drat the torpedoes, full speed ahead" to solve a problem. Just because he's not necessarily as philosophically deep as Picard doesn't mean he's a hothead.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Yeah, Kirk Drift is a thing and it's pretty annoying. Ah, it has a name. I keep waiting for Kirk to become this reckless sex crazed buffoon. Anyway, the writing from what I’ve seen so far is pretty solid. I love the chintzy sets, the old school practical effects and the general silliness. This show is alotta fun.
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I was pretty disturbed in the few episodes that Yeoman Rand is in how there are two episodes pretty close together where she gets sexually assaulted. It's also played for laughs one of those times.
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