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Captain Invictus posted:all of the red cards here are revised except the shivan dragon which is unlimited, right? the coloring is deeper on the shivan so I want to make sure it is actually unlimited and not another revised card. wow, those look immaculate. I don't have physical cards anymore but mine definitely looked way rougher than that like 20 years ago.
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So what are the odds that Zulaport Cutthroat gets a reprint in Zendikar Jones and The Last Crusade?
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Jul 27, 2020 09:53
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Silhouette posted:So what are the odds that Zulaport Cutthroat gets a reprint in Zendikar Jones and The Last Crusade? Zero if the new party mechanic is moving away from Allies. Probably 20% if Allies is still going to be a thing? I dunno. How much time do you think they had after Cat Food was found before they had to finalize the Return to Zendikar Island card list? Because I can't imagine them willingly doing a Zulaport reprint into the same standard with an already-existing sac engine that potent.
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Jul 27, 2020 10:14
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Entropic posted:You're correct, the dragon is Unlimited. Another interesting thing about revised cards is that the card frame is not bevelled whereas unlimited, edgar and fourth all were. Not something you can really see in your picture but it's easy to see in person. Take a look at the scryfall page https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=released&q=%21%22Shivan+Dragon%22&unique=prints Edit - just the outer border of the card frame. The art and text boxes were still bevelled.
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Jul 27, 2020 11:13
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Set boosters sound like a great idea, that one seems like much more pleasant lottery pack to buy when passing through a LGS.
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Jul 27, 2020 11:18
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fatherboxx posted:Set boosters sound like a great idea, that one seems like much more pleasant lottery pack to buy when passing through a LGS. Or just better even prizes.
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Jul 27, 2020 11:19
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lol just lol (lmao) if you still haven't processed that this is just an attempt to raise the default booster price by 20-25%
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Jul 27, 2020 11:51
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set boosters are for rich people because you're pretty clearly supposed to buy 1000 at a time for that .0000213 chance at a fetch land or whatever.
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Jul 27, 2020 11:58
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Fetch lands are not in them, they already announced it.Katana Gomai posted:lol just lol (lmao) if you still haven't processed that this is just an attempt to raise the default booster price by 20-25% That would mean something if they were also discontinuing 4$ boosters, but they ain't. Like poo poo, there are so many thing you should be laughing at WoTC for, but a 5$ booster that is not meant to be drafted is not one of them.
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Jul 27, 2020 12:01
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Paul Zuvella posted:That would mean something if they were also discontinuing 4$ boosters, but they ain't. The point is that they are obviously positioning these as the "default" SKU, and they're 20% more expensive than what used to be the norm. They could have added art cards and "the list" to Draft boosters at zero extra cost to make the product more desirable, but they didn't. The entire "Project Booster Fun" has been about creating specialty boosters for whales and nerds while removing value from Draft boosters and this is just another step in that direction. In the end, the "value" to the custumer will be the same because of course WotC does the math re:booster content EV, so all this accomplishes is getting someone to pay $10 for two "better" boosters instead of $8 for two "useless" ones.
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Jul 27, 2020 12:18
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Can I just say I love how the Set Booster has a 25% of having a card in it that is not part of the set? At least they didn't call them Mythic Boosters.
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Jul 27, 2020 12:32
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GimmickMan posted:Can I just say I love how the Set Booster has a 25% of having a card in it that is not part of the set? calling it "the list" is the most hilariously pretentious thing they could have done and it's amazing marketing let that get out the door
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Jul 27, 2020 12:44
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It's like they aren't even trying anymore. Double masters. The List. They sound like placeholder names.
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Jul 27, 2020 13:12
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I got mildly excited for a second when I saw "the list" until I realised it wasn't in reference to the reserved list.
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Jul 27, 2020 13:23
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Katana Gomai posted:The point is that they are obviously positioning these as the "default" SKU, and they're 20% more expensive than what used to be the norm. They could have added art cards and "the list" to Draft boosters at zero extra cost to make the product more desirable, but they didn't. The entire "Project Booster Fun" has been about creating specialty boosters for whales and nerds while removing value from Draft boosters and this is just another step in that direction. In the end, the "value" to the custumer will be the same because of course WotC does the math re:booster content EV, so all this accomplishes is getting someone to pay $10 for two "better" boosters instead of $8 for two "useless" ones. Yeah, people keep acting like a bunch of Caucasians are just mad that someone else gets something when the real issue has always been that draft booster value has been essentially destroyed by collectors boosters and now set boosters. There's nothing of value you can open anymore besides the top one or two cards per set. Foils add basically no premium either.  Cool shoes LeafHouse fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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Jul 27, 2020 13:29
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There is a real downside in constantly making and pushing product who just "isn't for you" but actively shouts "THIS ISN'T FOR YOU" that I think people are ignoring. Players have been complaining about being priced out for decades even if they never played competitively. Even if this stuff doesn't limit access to game pieces people don't like feeling left out not to mention that the history of a collectibles company constantly pushing out rare special bonus foil alternate bullshit has in the past been a precursor to bad and not good things. There's plenty to talk about regarding this new business strategy and its kinda lame to just wave it away about how its nerds complaining about something that "isn't for them" and trying to post some sweet owns about peoples privilege.
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Jul 27, 2020 13:44
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Katana Gomai posted:They could have added art cards and "the list" to Draft boosters at zero extra cost to make the product more desirable, but they didn't. The entire "Project Booster Fun" has been about creating specialty boosters for whales and nerds while removing value from Draft boosters and this is just another step in that direction. Putting the list cards in draft boosters would completely gently caress up draft so no leave your weirdo goofbag constructed cards out of the one good format thanks.
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Jul 27, 2020 13:48
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The Breakfast Sampler posted:wow, those look immaculate. I don't have physical cards anymore but mine definitely looked way rougher than that like 20 years ago. Dysgenesis posted:Another interesting thing about revised cards is that the card frame is not bevelled whereas unlimited, edgar and fourth all were. Not something you can really see in your picture but it's easy to see in person. Take a look at the scryfall page https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=released&q=%21%22Shivan+Dragon%22&unique=prints https://scryfall.com/card/3ed/177/shivan-dragon https://scryfall.com/card/2ed/175/shivan-dragon the beveled style is much better, while revised is almost gross and washed out. like, the revised cards I'm flipping through right now all LOOK like they have wear and tear even if they're mostly in great shape because of the weird washed out-ness. having the bevel also just makes the card look better style-wise. neat to look back and compare them, and it's a shame they didn't stick with the unlimited colorings, I like that shade of red more than what they went with.
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LeafHouse posted:the real issue has always been that draft booster value has been essentially destroyed by collectors boosters and now set boosters. There's nothing of value you can open anymore besides the top one or two cards per set. Foils add basically no premium either. Unless you're a speculator or have to have the rarest premium stuff, how is the value destroyed? If anything, wouldn't it be a net positive for most people if the non-premium cards all went down in value? I mean, if your goal is to put together a deck to play with, driving down the value of "normal" rares/mythics is good. (I'm not suggesting WotC has players best interest in mind, just confused about your "value" issue).
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Crackbone posted:Unless you're a speculator or have to have the rarest premium stuff, how is the value destroyed? If anything, wouldn't it be a net positive for most people if the non-premium cards all went down in value? I mean, if your goal is to put together a deck to play with, driving down the value of "normal" rares/mythics is good. Driving down the value of the cards you open in draft makes draft net more expensive to play.
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Jabor posted:Driving down the value of the cards you open in draft makes draft net more expensive to play. If you are drafting for value, you are doing It wrong. Also, the idea I'm getting from this discussion is that what people really from the reprint of expensive cards is not to reduce their prices to dust but to open them in boosters, boxes and drafts while keeping them expensive. YggdrasilTM fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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Jul 27, 2020 14:43
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https://twitter.com/saffronolive/status/1287739768839774208?s=21 Apparently Ikoria is the best selling Spring set of all time! But we don’t really know what that means! Also apparently 2.5 billion games were played on Arena in Q1. THaTs... bogglesome lmao
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Jul 27, 2020 14:54
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Crackbone posted:Unless you're a speculator or have to have the rarest premium stuff, how is the value destroyed? If anything, wouldn't it be a net positive for most people if the non-premium cards all went down in value? I mean, if your goal is to put together a deck to play with, driving down the value of "normal" rares/mythics is good. Jabor posted:Driving down the value of the cards you open in draft makes draft net more expensive to play. This. Plus, reducing the value of draft packs pushes people into buying more expensive Set/Collectors packs if they want to have a shot at opening something interesting. I'm not so sure the barrier to entry to constructed is much lower. It feels like all the value is condensed into the top few mythics. I might dig into historic deck prices vs now and see how it compares. At a glance the most expensive deck was ~$400 during 2017 with most around $250. Right now bant is $600 with several more between $450 and $550 (Rakdos, Mono R and Mono G being the budget options). https://web.archive.org/web/20171026184421/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/standard#paper
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Captain Invictus posted:yeah I'm also surprised at the condition of these largely being LP or better, but I think just from years of sitting in a shoebox getting jostled against each other slightly a lot of them have some surface wear of some sort even if they don't seem to have been played much. Much of the box is unfortunately land cards, though I did find a Copy Artifact in there and a bunch of basic rares like lord of the pit and the like what sets are the lands from
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Bust Rodd posted:https://twitter.com/saffronolive/status/1287739768839774208?s=21 I wonder how many years from the release of alpha it took for there to be 10B total games of magic played.
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Jul 27, 2020 15:06
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Bust Rodd posted:https://twitter.com/saffronolive/status/1287739768839774208?s=21 What the hell, at 5 minutes a game that's 23,782 years of Magic played...
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Jul 27, 2020 15:11
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the idea of the set boosters is not a terrible one, in that "why are we forcing all boosters to be useable for draft if many people do not want to draft with them?" the implementation...leaves something to be desired...both the extra cost and the brazen increase of the gambling aspects
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kalvanoo posted:what sets are the lands from There was a second shoebox with a bunch of yugioh cards in it that I have literally zero idea about, and I glanced in there and there's a stack of magic cards, so guess I'll flip through those. I love digging through stuff like these and not knowing what decade anything will be from, though sitting on top are these "archenemy" oversized MTG cards that look like the old Vanguard cards wizards tried out ages ago with...I want to say Tempest or Stronghold maybe? Those were absolutely nuts. Gerrard made your max and starting hand size 3, but you drew two cards a turn. Another one doubled your starting life and let you...I think it was sacrifice creatures for mana? interesting idea but they killed it super fast.
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Jul 27, 2020 15:34
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I'm not sure how you'd make pack opening more 'exciting' without upping the gambling aspect. Pre-mythics at least, when you bought a pack you got what you paid for. There was the 'money rare or not' aspect, but, while they intentionally pushed some cards and unpushed others, Wizards didn't have enough control over the meta to set how many of the rares in a pack were money rares. Mythics moved away from this and I have nothing to defend them, but the extra dollar is literally a scratch-off that you'll even get anything for it.
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Ok so there are: Draft Boosters ($3.99): Traditionally what most of us think of as a Booster pack, 15 cards and a token/marketing card. New SET Boosters ($5-6?): 14 cards, an “art” card, and a token, with an explicit focus on THEMES within a set. Theme Boosters ($15): a 35 card booster pack that focuses on a specific color and that color’s themes in that set. I’ve never seen or heard of anyone buying these. Collector’s Boosters ($25): A premium 15 card booster pack with additional foils and mythics featuring alternate artwork or frames. VIP Boosters ($99): 33 cards, 2 tokens, all foil except for 10 of the lands, which are simply full art. The fact that they can’t even give you all foil basics is especially WTF... I think that’s all the different boosties there are atm?
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Jul 27, 2020 15:53
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Didn't we get a new IK or something for this thread? If I ask nicely, will you morons post better without the mods having to demand it? jfc
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Jul 27, 2020 15:56
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VIP boosters are Double Masters only, right?
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Jul 27, 2020 15:58
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How in gods name did Ikoria sell at best-ever levels when it came out during a period when paper magic basically doesn’t exist? I’ve yet to touch a single physical Ikoria or M21 card.
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Aight finally made diamond this morning after a failed miserable weekend slog, tell me how to make my pile of cards better. e: Visual version: 
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Jul 27, 2020 16:13
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Some Goon posted:VIP boosters are Double Masters only, right? So far, yeah. sit on my Facebook posted:Didn't we get a new IK or something for this thread? If I ask nicely, will you morons post better without the mods having to demand it? jfc IK?
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Entropic posted:How in gods name did Ikoria sell at best-ever levels when it came out during a period when paper magic basically doesn’t exist? People bought booster boxes to support their FLGS. more or less.
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sit on my Facebook posted:Didn't we get a new IK or something for this thread? If I ask nicely, will you morons post better without the mods having to demand it? jfc This thread is super tame, I have no idea what you're on about
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Jul 27, 2020 16:19
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Idiot Kings
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Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, it just seems to me that this thread is one of the worst offenders for Posting About Posting, which is like my least favorite thing
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sit on my Facebook posted:Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, it just seems to me that this thread is one of the worst offenders for Posting About Posting, which is like my least favorite thing So your move to correct this was to parachute into a conversation that wasn’t about posting and try to steer it in that direction? Fascinating.
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