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Phlegmish posted:Is it ever explained who is hunting the Honored Matres, other than that they're former subjects of theirs? I thought it was linked to the Futars, but apparently those were created by the Bene Tleilax. The futars were created by whoever is hunting down the matres, and the couple that tries to trap Duncan's ship in the end look like face dancers but don't act like them, even mentioning how they had a master on board. I've always assumed that the pursuers are an offshoot of the tleilaxu that made the face dancers too good and then got into the same trouble as the OG tleilaxu with the improved face dancers that actually become whoever they copy. And then the failson goes and makes it "LOL robutts lord cybertrex is back".
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Ahh, that actually makes sense. Now I just wonder if the Handlers are just the hunters (Face Dancers Gone Wild) in the context of handling Futars, or an entirely separate thing altogether. I'm just going to make my vague understanding of the six books my headcanon, i have no particular desire to read Herbert Jr.'s books.
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Phlegmish posted:Ahh, that actually makes sense. Now I just wonder if the Handlers are just the hunters (Face Dancers Gone Wild) in the context of handling Futars, or an entirely separate thing altogether.
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Yeah this is pure speculation but I always had the feeling that the face dancer memory absorbtion got so good they were becoming some all powerful hive mind or society that just goes and takes over whatever they find without a way to stop them. Not just having one set of memories but many. This also sets them up in opposition to the BG who also have access to multiple memories, and perhaps also as an example of "machine thinking" if you get a bunch of weird clones all sharing memories and starting to all think the same. Either way I think it works the more mysterious they are and the less 10000 year old robots they are.
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Honestly, Frank can get too obtuse and metaphysical at times. It seems like his son is the exact opposite, bizarrely.
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Phlegmish posted:Honestly, Frank can get too obtuse and metaphysical at times. It seems like his son is the exact opposite, bizarrely.
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You see, Brian hated his father
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Inverted Icon posted:You see, Brian hated his father
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No, I agree with you completely. Brian having some kind of intent to destroy his father's legacy is the only way it makes sense to me
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Inverted Icon posted:No, I agree with you completely. Brian having some kind of intent to destroy his father's legacy is the only way it makes sense to me It doesn't hurt that he made money along the way. I mean the effort:profit ratio has gotta be pretty good with the main work being farmed out
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Nayla's rock climbing orgasm was way better than everyone has let on. Hard to explain in excerpts but her horniness is set up, seems like it's over and done, and then the punchline. Just great stuff frank you freaky old man
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Ingmar terdman posted:Nayla's rock climbing orgasm was way better than everyone has let on. Hard to explain in excerpts but her horniness is set up, seems like it's over and done, and then the punchline. Just great stuff frank you freaky old man It's also the first thing she seems to actually enjoy that isn't just doing whatever Leto tells her to
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Maybe the climbing orgasms are just an accident, a weird interaction between Duncan's caveman genes and whatever fuckery Leto introduced in humanity's gene pool. Duncan cleans the gutters? Bam, orgasm. Duncan gets stuff from the top shelf? Bam bam, orgasms. Duncan fixes the broken tiles on the leaky roof? Oh gently caress yeah. Maybe the sexiest thing in duneverse is a dude who pulls his weight around the loving house for once, Yueh.
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Jul 29, 2020 03:37
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Cleaning the oven is what we call a slam dunc
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Feels like this might be a controversial ranking but: Dunc Dunc Messiah God Emperor of Dunc Children of Dunc
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Ingmar terdman posted:Feels like this might be a controversial ranking but: What if, get this, dune is all bad.
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I don't particularly mind how folks rank the sequels but there needs to be a big power gap between Dunc and everything else
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I enjoy chapterhouse but more as just a good pulp sci fi than any kind of classic.
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FBS posted:I don't particularly mind how folks rank the sequels but there needs to be a big power gap between Dunc and everything else Spazzle posted:What if, get this, dune is all bad. Agreed
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You know - I've noticed this trend with other sci fi authors like Card: Herbert's books get more esoteric as they advance - and by book 4 I am completely put off. Am I just too stupid to appreciate the later books w/ fishspeakers and whatever the gently caress - or are they viewed by you all as inferior products to the original book? My view is 1 is the GOAT, 2 and 3 are good sort-of, and everything after is a crap shoot of weird.
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Thunder Moose posted:You know - I've noticed this trend with other sci fi authors like Card: Herbert's books get more esoteric as they advance - and by book 4 I am completely put off. I pretty much agree except I do kinda like all of them. I like the ones past 3 because they're a crapshoot of weird. And all of them definitely straight up inferior to 1.
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pnumoman posted:I pretty much agree except I do kinda like all of them. I like the ones past 3 because they're a crapshoot of weird. And all of them definitely straight up inferior to 1. I read 1 - 5 in like 5 weeks, and then I've been on 6 for months, because its just... Like, I feel like there's so much going on that I've already missed important stuff and in I'm a couple of chapters in and I can't be bothered to re read it, but it's been so long now I'll have to.
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I like them all, purely because I'm a sucker for any kind of story about far distant future humanity going off in weirdass directions.
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Bubblyblubber posted:Maybe the sexiest thing in duneverse is a dude who pulls his weight around the loving house for once, Yueh. So this is what they mean when they mention Herbertwife's influence !Klams posted:I read 1 - 5 in like 5 weeks, and then I've been on 6 for months, because its just... Like, I feel like there's so much going on that I've already missed important stuff and in I'm a couple of chapters in and I can't be bothered to re read it, but it's been so long now I'll have to. 6 also took me a really long time, but I think it's because I was burned out at that point. Reading all six books back to back is kind of exhausting
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There seems to be a pretty even split between people that rank God Emperor up next to Dune and those that don't. But I think we can all agree that the first book is the greatest literary disappointment of all time for not including more Heretics-style pussy sorcery
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I didn't like God Emperor much because it just has a giant emo worm monologuing for hundreds of pages, but I also think it's the book that benefits the most from re-reading it at a later point in time.
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I'm in the middle of Heretics right now, having decided to spend COVID summer reading the Frank books for the first time, and I think that God Emperor is a close second to the original. Messiah and Children were both good reads, but it didn't feel like they did anything particularly interesting coming off of the first book. I don't think I've ever read anything quite like God Emperor before.
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I think I've got Messiah at number two because I find the immediate fallout of the first book more interesting than the millennias-out consequences I guess. It's stylistically not what I expected (and the tone of the first book is never really recreated, although Children feels like an attempt at course correction), but when I reread the first book again I could see myself tacking on Messiah too. e: but like a couple posts above, it's been a good use of the lockdown summer to do the series
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Dune is the Number Two book.
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kiimo posted:Dune is stored in the thigh pads that’s my dunc
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arrakis... dunc... desert planet https://twitter.com/SecretsOfDune/status/1288535370037166082?s=20
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I think I like 5&6 more because I always liked the Sisterhood as a concept. They were antagonists in 1, foils in 2,3,4, it is cool to see their POV, and their worldview is unique in sci-fi, and really adds richness to the feudal society portrayed.
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5 and 6 are good as hell. Ranking them below children of dune and dune messiah is just pants on head stupid
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also mecha Miles Teg is just the best
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Pimblor posted:also mecha Miles Teg is just the best drat this child voice!
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Can’t wait for Duncc
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