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alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


Arcsquad12 posted:

I mean unsc Frigate Grafton is so memorable.

UNSC Say My Name legit owns.

UNSC Say Baby I Love You
Capital Cruiser When Noone Is Around You

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The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Strelok604 posted:

Continuing the Bungie lineage of excellent ship names with the, uh, UNSC "Infinity"
It has some precedent.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Reach has a problem with weird dialogue redundancy. You have people saying "hostile tangos," "UNSC frigate", I mean whose frigate would we think it is on the radio?

Abroham Lincoln
Sep 19, 2011

Note to self: This one's the good one



Just you wait, one of those times the tangos are gonna be docile and you'll feel real silly.

Fuzzy McDoom
Oct 9, 2007

-MORE MONEY FOR US

-FUCK...YOU KNOW, THE THING

The worst dialogue in Reach is when Kat refers to a problem as a "solvable".

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The worst dialogue is Kat opening her mouth period. I don't think a single one of her lines was delivered well. No offense meant to the actors but whoever was in charge of the voice direction for Reach really dropped the ball.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Strelok604 posted:

Continuing the Bungie lineage of excellent ship names with the, uh, UNSC "Infinity"

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


Fuzzy McDoom posted:

The worst dialogue in Reach is when Kat refers to a problem as a "solvable".

the line that comes out of left field for me is in H4 when suddenly the covenant are suddenly somehow "more fanatic than the others"

Pursued by bees
Jan 1, 2013

heartful of fire
with no one left to tell

alf_pogs posted:

the line that comes out of left field for me is in H4 when suddenly the covenant are suddenly somehow "more fanatic than the others"

That was so drat dumb. Sure Chief, more fanatic than the Covenant who resorted to suicide tactics just to kill one Spartan. Yeah.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010


Marathon is genuinely better written than the entirety of the Halo series.
fake edit: You can tell because they keep lifting from it wholesale.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

General Battuta posted:

Reach has a problem with weird dialogue redundancy. You have people saying "hostile tangos," "UNSC frigate", I mean whose frigate would we think it is on the radio?

There's a mission with civilian transport ships on the radio, so that makes sense

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


Pursued by bees posted:

That was so drat dumb. Sure Chief, more fanatic than the Covenant who resorted to suicide tactics just to kill one Spartan. Yeah.

Speaking of suicide tactics - what felt kinda goofy to in Reach was the "covenant suicide squads"

I sorta get the whole grunts kamikazing in a panic/desperation, but sending grunts to blow themselves up against defenseless civilians seems odd and wasteful? I guess shock tactics?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Oxyclean posted:

Speaking of suicide tactics - what felt kinda goofy to in Reach was the "covenant suicide squads"

I sorta get the whole grunts kamikazing in a panic/desperation, but sending grunts to blow themselves up against defenseless civilians seems odd and wasteful? I guess shock tactics?

I was genuinely offended by it since it was clear WoT poo poo seeping into my sci-fi in an awful attempt to be "gritty".

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

I never noticed that when rampin' it at the end of Halo 3, with the lighting changes the planet the Ark is around starts to look like a spooky skull

Arcsquad12 posted:

The worst dialogue is Kat opening her mouth period. I don't think a single one of her lines was delivered well. No offense meant to the actors but whoever was in charge of the voice direction for Reach really dropped the ball.

I like Kat :(

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

jivjov posted:

There's a mission with civilian transport ships on the radio, so that makes sense

Civilian transport ships aren’t frigates, and in any case the weird frigate dialogue is from a giant military operation with nary a civilian in sight.

Animal Friend
Sep 7, 2011

It was a major disconnect when it first showed up. In gameplay, grunts would always panic when you killed their commander (Elites/Brutes) and in 3 they would sometimes switch to suicide mode.

It works in a gameplay sense that killing the most dangerous enemy results in an extra challenge as the suicide grunts can easily take you or your allies down if you aren't careful.

But then in lore the grunts are forcibly bred and sent to the front lines. Basically child/slave soldiers so this becomes kinda gross. And then yeah, Reach just throws (side note: in my opinion, the worst combat section in the game-even having completed it solo legendary multiple times) suicide squads randomly to make the invasion seem more barbaric.

There's a huge tonal dissonance between the lore and the games in the Bungie era. Its a big part of why the 343 games, which lean hard into the lore, feel tonally strange compared to the games they are obstinately sequels to.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
A good part of Reach is the bit in Nightfall where you meet the civilian militia. You can totally ignore them and continue the mission if you know where to go, skipping a bunch of fairly intense combat. Fits the UNSC’s ethics perfectly!

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

My favorite part of Reach will always be the Bullfrogs

Rip Bullfrogs

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Lawman 0 posted:

I was genuinely offended by it since it was clear WoT poo poo seeping into my sci-fi in an awful attempt to be "gritty".

isn't halo about a guy named after a bible verse and the USMC killing space muslims?
the arbiter's original name was "dervish" lol

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Communist Thoughts posted:

isn't halo about a guy named after a bible verse and the USMC killing space muslims?

No, it's about a guy named after a bible verse and the USMC killing space christian evangelicals and fundies

More specifically Halo's about Christ and humanity (and elites) rejecting divinity when it's not about teabagging space aliens. 3 literally ends with you shooting the divine spark with a laser rifle code named "Galilean" then breaking a universal symbol for divinity to blow up the ark of the covenant to turn back God's flood

Also Johnson's there!

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jul 29, 2020

Animal Friend
Sep 7, 2011

RBA Starblade posted:

My favorite part of Reach will always be the Bullfrogs

Rip Bullfrogs

I wanted to empty quote this lol.

In my first legendary play through (I did all my MCC PC playthroughs on Legendary first time because I have brain problems) Reach had the dumbest friendly AI.

Jorge is always useless but I don't remember him killing anything even as a gunner on the jeep in winter contingency.

Jun fell into the canyon before the jammer tower on Nightfall and thus contributed nothing.

Kat spent the better part of Tip of the Spear doing sweet gently caress all or falling to her death.

The Bullfrogs were so funny. "A group of ODST specialists". I think one of them made it over those platforms only to be killed pretty much instantly. I've seen one get splattered by banshee, multiple ones gently caress up jetpack pathing and just fall and the one time I gave one a rocket launcher he killed me.

The last level gives you just Emile as a partner and the shotgun is SO USELESS.


That being said the cutscenes and voice acting sells Reach. I care even if the gameplay is disconnected. Except maybe about Carter, who is super generic soldier guy boring even in death.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
My countdown has no abort

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Carter's death made me notice that the UNSC did not invest in ejector seats at all

TheGreySpectre
Sep 18, 2012

You let the wolves in. Why would you do that?
I'm playing through Reach right now and the military-esque lingo seems to take away from it a bit compared to the other Halos. I liked the more casual dialogue that Masterchief, Johnson and Cortana had. That being said the actual gameplay itself seems to be better than Halo 4. I found the fights, particularly the ones with the new enemies in Halo 4 to be significantly less fun than the previous games. It feels like 343 is more invested in lore than actual fun.

Also, The arbiter seems more useful than any of the Reach NPCs, although I could just be biased because I like him better as a character.

When it comes to Multiplayer I've taken 4 and reach out of my rotation. I like how 1,2 and 3 are pure areana shooters. I don't like how reach introduced loadouts and 4 introduced killstreak-esque rewards. If I wanted to play Call of Duty I would play Call of duty.

TheGreySpectre fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jul 29, 2020

Fuzzy McDoom
Oct 9, 2007

-MORE MONEY FOR US

-FUCK...YOU KNOW, THE THING

If we can include nameless idiots I nominate the Gypsy Company member who got trapped under the Mammoth in Reclaimer, spent five minutes running into the underside of the loading ramp, somehow escaped when it started moving again, and then used this newfound freedom to run around to the front of the Mammoth and then stop again in front of a massive wheel. To add insult to injury, this cost me 200 points.

Your Brain on Hugs
Aug 20, 2006
I like to think noble team just have a culture of being tryhard tier 1 operator navy seals because they played too much spaceCOD but never saw much action, and that's and that's why they talk like that. Master Chief is way more chill because he knows he can never die, plus his suit jacks him off. That last bit is official Canon BTW.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Chief you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Your Brain on Hugs posted:

I like to think noble team just have a culture of being tryhard tier 1 operator navy seals because they played too much spaceCOD but never saw much action, and that's and that's why they talk like that. Master Chief is way more chill because he knows he can never die, plus his suit jacks him off. That last bit is official Canon BTW.

:stonklol:

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

RBA Starblade posted:

Chief you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship

Sir, finishing in flight.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
kinda puts all those times where if you just stare at a marine long enough he goes "uhh... Chief?" in new context

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
one of the best parts about halo 1-3 campaigns is that the story is very grim but all the marines talk like idiot fratboys. the guys scanning incoming ships near the start of 3 fistbump each other when they hear master chief is coming, the official military plan to take down the scarab that show sup is a buncha guys riding around on the back of ATVs with rocket launchers, etc. buncha fuckin idiots

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


Covenant speaking english is another one of those factors. Like, I assume it goes without saying Reach made them not speak english for tone reasons.

It's really kind of funny to compare the Covenant in Halo 1 and Halo Reach. Halo 1 they're bordering on comic relief, with The Flood being where the game gets serious.

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

Assumed the aliens speak their native language and we as the player or even characters understand what they’re saying, so we hear it in English. Mass Effect did the same thing by basically saying everyone has technology that auto translates what everyone else is saying.

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

chaosapiant posted:

Assumed the aliens speak their native language and we as the player or even characters understand what they’re saying, so we hear it in English. Mass Effect did the same thing by basically saying everyone has technology that auto translates what everyone else is saying.

Apparently the reason Elites start speaking english in 2 onward is because of updated translation libraries, so.

Grunts are actually taught english because they're the ones they make do SIGINT. No, I don't know why. Covenant's dumb sometimes all the time.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh

Oxyclean posted:

Covenant speaking english is another one of those factors. Like, I assume it goes without saying Reach made them not speak english for tone reasons.

It's really kind of funny to compare the Covenant in Halo 1 and Halo Reach. Halo 1 they're bordering on comic relief, with The Flood being where the game gets serious.
I remember when reach came out I saw people with takes like "they made the covenant scary again, like halo 1" and I felt like I was getting mandela effect'd

Your Brain on Hugs
Aug 20, 2006
It would be pretty neat to have a full campaign as the Arbiter or another elite and explore more covenant worlds and history. And then a dlc campaign where you play as the grunt's equivalent of master chief and instigate Grunt Rebellion 2, and liberate your home planet from the covenant.

I just realised the main reason why reach's time is so different: no Chips Dubbo.

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

Ablative posted:

Apparently the reason Elites start speaking english in 2 onward is because of updated translation libraries, so.

Grunts are actually taught english because they're the ones they make do SIGINT. No, I don't know why. Covenant's dumb sometimes all the time.

I coulda swore I heard covenant troops speaking English in Halo 1 as well. The little tiny Krogan dude yelling “grenaaaaaaaaade!!!”

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The grunts always spoke English.

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

So I’ve finished Halo 1 and 2 and am working my way through Halo 3. These games are still rocking my socks. However, I’ve never dabbled in Halo multiplayer. Is it fun/worth getting into, and what are the best games/modes to play. I took a glance at the multiplayer menu briefly and it looks daunting.

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Abroham Lincoln
Sep 19, 2011

Note to self: This one's the good one



Your Brain on Hugs posted:

I like to think noble team just have a culture of being tryhard tier 1 operator navy seals because they played too much spaceCOD but never saw much action, and that's and that's why they talk like that. Master Chief is way more chill because he knows he can never die, plus his suit jacks him off. That last bit is official Canon BTW.

https://twitter.com/NostalgicVGEdit/status/1285877674083147778

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