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Mega Comrade posted:FAANG was a stock trading term for high growth stocks which at the time didn't include Microsoft. At least among tech workers I often hear FAAMG, which is obviously even sillier but hey. Someone upthread mentioned GAFAM, I quite like that. I know Netflix is a big and recognisable name but in terms of tech worker employment they are fairly small compared to the others. Also some former Netflix guy in YOSPOS said the work culture there is lovely and people burn out fast, the other ones are often career companies.
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Private Speech posted:At least among tech workers I often hear FAAMG, which is obviously even sillier but hey. Someone upthread mentioned GAFAM, I quite like that. I don't think you can distinguish Netflix from say Apple on the grounds that it has a lovely work culture where people burn out fast.
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Genderify deleted their tweet, their account and their website altogether. Literally laughed off the Internet. I almost feel bad for them, if only because you'd have to be completely oblivious to think there was any need for this API, let alone think it could work at all to begin with.
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Private Speech posted:At least among tech workers I often hear FAAMG, which is obviously even sillier but hey. Someone upthread mentioned GAFAM, I quite like that. Amazon's infamous for turnover too - something I read a few years ago suggested most people don't make it two full years. General consensus among people who leave seems to be that it's a great place to learn how to push yourself and gain new skills, but it's too toxic and demanding to plan on sticking around. I can't speak for Apple but would imagine it's a different kind of pressure cooker altogether.
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NaanViolence posted:Facebook and reddit are probably the worst because of all the pedophilia and child porn they enable. Does reddit still have a cp problem? It definitely had a serious problem a few years ago back when the executives really cared about "free speech", but I haven't heard anything recently. Tbf the site still has private subreddits which could be abused for such a purpose. I don't think I've ever seen a private subreddit used for a good purpose. E: reddit's also not the only social media site that has private communities either. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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Hasturtium posted:Amazon's infamous for turnover too - something I read a few years ago suggested most people don't make it two full years. General consensus among people who leave seems to be that it's a great place to learn how to push yourself and gain new skills, but it's too toxic and demanding to plan on sticking around. I can't speak for Apple but would imagine it's a different kind of pressure cooker altogether. I know several engineers at Amazon personally who've been there going on 7 years now and none of them seem to complain, though I guess that could vary widely from team to team. Same thing for Apple and MS for that matter, though I only know one guy (another uni coursemate really) at Apple and not terribly well at that. I also don't know anyone at Google or Facebook to compare. Either way Netflix also has less than 5k engineers compared with 40+k for Facebook and 80+k for the others.
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Shugojin posted:Saying remote workers are less productive is more of a reflection on the managers' distrust of their own employees if they aren't allowed to stand over someone's literal shoulder imo It's a dated philosophy not looking at the reality of the situation. - Between meetings, shooting the poo poo, lunch time, and going to the bathroom, it's absolutely incredible how much time a single employee can waste on-site - In the new forced working from home model in tech, I've talked to multiple people who realize how little it is they're actually responsible to do. This certainly doesn't hold true across everything, but if you've only got 2-4 hours of actual work to do a day you'll become very cognizant of that via drastically reduced meetings, no time spent at the cafeteria, and so on. Some people are still very busy but I personally call into question how many of these loving meetings are actually doing anything but taking up time. Once you hit a certain level in tech you are doing 6+ hours of meetings a day non-stop.
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For Amazon retention specifically I think it's worth keeping in mind they have over half a million employees of which only a relatively small amount are engineers. Here's a response to that Medium article I think you're thinking of specifically, admittedly from a guy who works at Amazon but I do think it lays out fairly well: quote:Amazon is not (only) a tech company: sure, if you compare Amazon to Google and Facebook it comes out bad. But unlike those companies, the majority of Amazon employees are not tech workers. They’re warehouse workers, drivers, customer-service people, etc. Many of them are temp workers, and many others are not considering the job as a career. For comparison Apple has 137,000 employees total, Microsoft 151,000 and Facebook only 45,000, while Amazon has 840,000 as of January this year. Netflix has 8,600 and of that many aren't engineers either. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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Nobody talking about Amazon retention in comparison to the rest of FAANG is talking about warehouse workers, they are talking about engineering.The engineers I know that have worked at Amazon all say it is very dependent on your team. Some are extremely lovely and burn through people constantly, and some are fine. The impression I get is that the lovely ones outweigh the fine ones.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:It's a dated philosophy not looking at the reality of the situation. I work at an oil company, and there was an hour and a half long meeting about a week ago that could have been accomplished in about three well-written, concise group emails. It’s incredible how people get convinced that meetings are the solution for any kind of information sharing.
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Hasturtium posted:I work at an oil company, and there was an hour and a half long meeting about a week ago that could have been accomplished in about three well-written, concise group emails. It’s incredible how people get convinced that meetings are the solution for any kind of information sharing. This is insanely good though in terms of fighting climate change though.
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My loving God does Bari Weiss have access to some huge conservative thinktank money machine, why the gently caress do they give a poo poo about her?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:My loving God does Bari Weiss have access to some huge conservative thinktank money machine, why the gently caress do they give a poo poo about her? Should note this was Jim Jordan asking the CEO's to do something about cancel culture 
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air- posted:Should note this was Jim Jordan asking the CEO's to do something about cancel culture The others telling him to shut up and put on his mask was a sick burn tho.
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When I have a problem with Twitter, I have to dig through an endless FAQ that brings me to a phone number that has an endless menu tree that just ends up hanging up on me. But when the government has a problem with Twitter they get Mark Zuckerberg himself. Where's the justice?
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adoration for none posted:Does reddit still have a cp problem? It definitely had a serious problem a few years ago back when the executives really cared about "free speech", but I haven't heard anything recently. Tbf the site still has private subreddits which could be abused for such a purpose. I don't think I've ever seen a private subreddit used for a good purpose. r/jailbait was the highest traffic sub for years and the company fought tooth-and-nail the whole time against solving that problem. They finally caved after already having gotten rich and stuffed with users because of their extreme defense of pedos. Reddit will never be okay to use.
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NaanViolence posted:r/jailbait was the highest traffic sub for years and the company fought tooth-and-nail the whole time against solving that problem. They finally caved after already having gotten rich and stuffed with users because of their extreme defense of pedos. Reddit will never be okay to use. Weird how early users and leadership on important default subs were also entrenched in a international pedo ring. Probably unrelated.
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I think fundamentally we need to stop acting surprised when any organization turns out to be a den of gross pedophiles at this point, because it's so common across different industries and groups that we need to attack it from a different perspective entirely: pedophiles are way too loving common, much more common than anyone wants to admit to themselves because it's a fundamentally repugnant realization, and they will exploit any power structures that exist. The time to harden power structures and systems against pedophiles, and sexual abusers of any sort, actually, is well before you think you have a problem. In any sufficiently large group, there's gonna be pedophiles, and you can bet they're gonna be working any available angle to victimize children. If you are building a social media platform specifically, one of the questions you must find an answer to is: how do we make this platform as socially and technologically hostile to pedophiles as possible? If you only react to the problem once it becomes visible, it's too late. This is, naturally, at odds with the "free speech at any cost" techbro mindset so it should be no wonder that most social networks have a huge problem with pedophilia and child sexual abuse images.
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Jan posted:Genderify deleted their tweet, their account and their website altogether. Literally laughed off the Internet. They probably just trained it on a 10k baby name database and had it split.input(“@“)[0] any input if present and declared it good to go.
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cowofwar posted:They probably just trained it on a 10k baby name database and had it split.input(“@“)[0] any input if present and declared it good to go.
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Sagacity posted:Did anyone find out yet what the use case of Genderify was supposed to be?
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Sagacity posted:Did anyone find out yet what the use case of Genderify was supposed to be? Prepopulating the gender drop-down, a bit like how some sites fill in your street name based on the postal code, I've worked in tech for 20 years and I've never had a need to ask a user their gender. The amount of sites that do is tiny (dating, I guess some social media sites ask now but I certainly wouldn't ask if I was building something in 2020).
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Sagacity posted:Did anyone find out yet what the use case of Genderify was supposed to be? Prepopulating the gender drop-down, a bit like how some sites fill in your street name based on the postal code, Market analysis, I guess. Like "63% of users who purchased this product are male."
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There's a cottage industry of dumb start-ups trying to monetise GPT-x so I wouldn't be surprised if genderify was a wrapper around it.
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Gender databases have been a thing forever https://genderchecker.com/
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But never before have they been improved through the revolutionary application of machine learning!!
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loving good im tired of having tiktok dances shoved in my face
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It's ok, This time Microsoft is definitely gonna make social work. quote:Microsoft Corp. is exploring an acquisition of TikTok’s operations in the U.S., according to a people familiar with the matter. A deal would give the software company a popular social-media service and relieve U.S. government pressure on the Chinese owner of the video-sharing app.
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Hasturtium posted:I work at an oil company, and there was an hour and a half long meeting about a week ago that could have been accomplished in about three well-written, concise group emails. It’s incredible how people get convinced that meetings are the solution for any kind of information sharing. it's not sharing, it's convincing - you have a vastly higher chance of convincing someone to do a particular thing with a meeting than an email, because reasoned argumentation only exists for rear end-covering and not for convincing anyone
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divabot posted:it's not sharing, it's convincing - you have a vastly higher chance of convincing someone to do a particular thing with a meeting than an email, because reasoned argumentation only exists for rear end-covering and not for convincing anyone If I have to convince a professional to do their loving job via meetings, there's no way I'm staying at that workplace. There's almost zero reasons for in person meetings in today's workplace. People that want to meet all the time don't actually have much work to do and are likely useless PMC types. The work from home situation has really shown who does the work and who doesn't do poo poo.
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Meetings are actually cool and good because otherwise it's very difficult to effectively share information between a large team. However, the idea that they need to be in-person and involve everyone all the time is stupid as gently caress and needs to be thrown in the bin. It's way easier to have a discussion in a live format, whether it's a phone call or a virtual meeting, rather than via an e-mail chain.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:If I have to convince a professional to do their loving job via meetings, there's no way I'm staying at that workplace. There's almost zero reasons for in person meetings in today's workplace. People that want to meet all the time don't actually have much work to do and are likely useless PMC types. If you never have to meet to discuss stuff or weigh options, you will very likely soon be replaced by an algorithm that can do your job much faster, 24/7. I'm sorry.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:If I have to convince a professional to do their loving job via meetings, there's no way I'm staying at that workplace. There's almost zero reasons for in person meetings in today's workplace. People that want to meet all the time don't actually have much work to do and are likely useless PMC types. There are numerous jobs where even though the vast majority of the work is done from home, the 10 or 20 percent that requires you to be physically interacting is extraordinarily valuable. E.g., many, many engineering jobs. Thats besides all the time when we're training or helping folks. I feel like all the people posting that there is no reason to do anything but work from home, are tech bros. OctaMurk fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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I have found that the number of meetings skyrockets when the people in charge are not qualified to be in charge, so meetings keep happening to tell them what to do and how to do it. It frequently gets framed as "communication," but the reality is that they don't understand the work being done well enough to make independent decisions. A qualified manager who is competent at management can sort the work among the workers, manage the schedule, and then help it get done via email/phone/text, but the unqualified manager has to keep asking why task X isn't done already or why we should care about Y. The opposite is also true, when a manager might be telling a report what to do a lot, but I think that usually gets called training and isn't what we are talking about.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:If I have to convince a professional to do their loving job via meetings, there's no way I'm staying at that workplace. There's almost zero reasons for in person meetings in today's workplace. People that want to meet all the time don't actually have much work to do and are likely useless PMC types. Cross-functional brainstorming and user feedback sessions are far more effective in person than online. Without them, the people "who do the work" are going to be building the wrong thing. Engineers who are unable/do not want to be empowered and collaborative in terms of thinking about the product are great examples of people who really do benefit from working from home. But they are also always going to be the most replaceable and least valuable part of the company.
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