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Open Marriage Night posted:The last page of each issue has a quote from Kirby’s original run on Mister Miracle. The old fashioned bombast punctuates the uneasiness of Scott’s predicament. I hope a New Gods movie could be half as good as the book, but it’s a real toss up with DC’s film output.
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Open Marriage Night posted:It’s a really good book, and Tom King has been outspoken about being against Trump and what he’s been doing with federal troops on American soil if that helps. "You can't do that to Americans! Iraqis and Afghans, though? no problem" is not really as good as you might think it is. Vincent fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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Edge & Christian posted:I know I'm in the minority here, but those pull quotes (much as he used them in the Vision) felt less like the proud torch-carrying that I assume King intended them to be, and much more of a "look at this purple prose babyshit that used to dominate comics, my comics are about real world poo poo like suicide and the hollowness of fame and post-partum depression and REAL AWARD WINNING poo poo. Aren't you proud of me for advancing the genre?" I didn't read them quite so vitriolically but think it's a fair read-- I did read them as a somewhat stilted effort to contrast high and low in a pretty regressive way-- I think there's nostalgia and desire in the way he uses Silver/Bronze Age bombast but I don't think it's quite respect. This is even more pointed in his Adam Strange which is, so far, a profoundly unlikable comic. When I was reading Mr. Miracle I kept wanting to compare how King used Kirby's language with how Morrison uses it-- I feel like Morrison, for all his faults, sees Kirby as kind of his William Blake and is really in awe of the hyperbolic emotional register of the New Gods stuff. I think he's really in love with that language and samples it as poetry whereas King is doing something a little more cynical (which isn't necessarily a drag, King's DC comics are a lot more cynical by design than Morrison's). At the very most generous there's disillusionment in Mr. Miracle that saturates the books relationship to Kirby.
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I'm definitely probably being even harsher than I would have been when Mister Miracle came out because I was reading a bunch of interviews and may have recorded a podcast about Strange Adventures, and the vibe of sort of... cultural slumming? evident in King's interviews was heavy. I never quite know how much of it is sincere and how much is some sort of weird perceived back-patting for those special select smart fans, but King repeatedly talked about "advancing the artform" and how only a very select few might notice that Heroes in Crisis/Strange Adventures are based on three panel grids rather than nine panel grids, and bragging about how much time he thinks about innovating and changing comics and that's where he was inspired to do the never-before-seen concept of having two artists on a book drawing different stories/perspectives. It's all very self-congratulatory, which in part is inherent in a publicity junket, but there's also a bizarre "maybe it's just me, maybe I'm a crazy visionary but.... maybe comics can be art? Maybe they can tackle serious issues? Maybe if I keep saying this book is an examination of the Pulp Hero's Role in Colonialism it will mean that I did it first, because a dozen creators before me were cowards and settled for subtext" thread throughout all of them.
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Desperado Bones posted:Edit: Reading the comments I see a lot of people saying it looks as the artists used an action figure as a reference. And I'm starting to think that yes, the legs look as of those old dolls where the legs were attached to the sides of the hips. Eek. Search real people photos and get back to art school! I was thinking that's the kind of mistake you'd avoid if you walk into a crafts store and buy a $15 articulated manikin doll.
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https://twitter.com/LiamRMcGuire/status/1287780791213264897 The update is that they didn't start working with EVS until 2019, not 2018 like reported. So right in the middle of EVS's bullshit.
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https://twitter.com/comicsbeat/status/1288097096126668800 may not involve any sexual misconduct, so i guess that's something
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I still want to believe he just failed upwards and had incredibly bad editorial ideas, like a Ken Penders Artist's Edition or trying to exploit the sales spike for March by commissioning a sequel called April. Because at least that would be funny and not depressing like actual misconduct would be.
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Edge & Christian posted:I still want to believe he just failed upwards and had incredibly bad editorial ideas, like a Ken Penders Artist's Edition or trying to exploit the sales spike for March by commissioning a sequel called April. Because at least that would be funny and not depressing like actual misconduct would be. According to the article the guy's a general lovely businessman and villain.
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Jedit posted:According to the article the guy's a general lovely businessman and villain.
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https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1288616755217207299 Aw.
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That sucks, I like his art. Won't be seeing much of it from here on out.
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Given EVS's track record, I might wait to hear from Rocafort himself on this one.
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Codependent Poster posted:That sucks, I like his art. Won't be seeing much of it from here on out. Richard C. Meyer's book did pop up in a tweet of his from like last year. https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1288636051712606210?s=20 https://twitter.com/Mitografia/status/1099197817875181569
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Well that's a bummer, puts a stain on the ultimates since I love his art in it
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I know "looking at people's Twitter follows" is frowned upon for whatever reason for Rocafort only follows 114 people as of this moment and there's a lot of CG/CG-adjacent folks in there, most of them pretty recent follows. Not just "fellow comics pros that have gone CG" like EVS, Jon Malin, Art Thibert, Shane Davis, etc. but also "YellowFlash", "Cecil", "Starwarsgirl77" and some other like low level people who you would really only follow if you want a lot of memes about virgin SJWs and how all woman editors are bad and Star Wars is cucked now.
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I hadn't heard about Art Thibert. Shame. Also yes, the non-pros are a murderer's row of CG doofs. Cecil is the one that gave us the CG comic that broke Dynamite.
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Dawgstar posted:I hadn't heard about Art Thibert. Shame. This was my reaction too.
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Jordan7hm posted:This was my reaction too. Some unfortunate evidence: https://twitter.com/TessFowler/status/1288934855070294016
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It's not like Art Thibert has been subtle about it, he's been promoting his crowdfunded comic with #comicsgate for a couple of years now, and his YouTube channel has videos with titles like "Cancel culture is REAL", "Dynamite Comics is CANCELED", "Has Disney killed Star Wars?" "Marvel; they tried to destroy me", "Clarification on Ya Boi Zack's YT Comments", etc. Graham Nolan is another vet actively promoting his comics under #comicsgate, appearing on CG streams, following TUG, thatstarwarsgirl, Cecil, BleedingFool, etc. etc. etc.
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gently caress, tess fowler has cancer? My bff just had a tumor removed before covid got too bad, she was super freaked.
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Sina Grace talks a bit more on his Marvel experiencequote:On the subject of marvel comics ...
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“Unsolicited opinions on Israel???” I’m amazed Gail only got complaints about her supposed misandry.
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There's also the bit in Jane Thor where she fights Absorbing Man and he says some misogynist poo poo about Thor being a women. That I thought was dumb, because he's married to Titannia, she wouldn't put up with that kinda crap from her spouse. But, again, not Gail Simone, that was written by Jason Aaron.
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Hi im sorry uf this is the wrong place but ive been out of comics for a decade and looking at the threads i couldnt work out where to put this. This randomly showed up on my youtube and i have no idea what algorithm made it think i would want it but ummm... i have no idea what this is or the greater context and was hoping to be educated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij7GSVjAZsI Who is this (googling) welsh lady and what
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For some reason it never occurs to these people to just not read certain comics. Also I'm pretty sure Children of the Atom and New Warriors have been poo poo canned, since I can't find anything about them getting published since the covid lockdown and CotA isn't on the check lists in X-Men books and it was pre-lockdown.
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I only scrubbed through the video, but it sounds like typical "I hate new characters" combined with "any diversity is forced" that's been going around fan spaces for years. Safespace and Snowflake are tone deaf, though. https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/03/marvel-criticized-first-non-binary-superhero-named-snowflake/
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Uthor posted:Safespace and Snowflake are tone deaf, though. Yeah, it's really annoying that these asshats complain about every single bit of diversity because it means when there are real dumb bits of it you worry about getting lumped in with the CHUDs if you complain. CotA also looks dumb as hell and barring some glowing previews will probably be the first X comic I dont buy. Yes I'm the idiot who owns every issue of Fallen Angels.
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Uthor posted:I only scrubbed through the video, but it sounds like typical "I hate new characters" combined with "any diversity is forced" that's been going around fan spaces for years. I'll be honest i could see the CHUDiness of it (especially as looking at the videos author included referenced to cancel culture in regard to movie listings... yeah) but like I had to do a double take at Snowflake and Safespace and "they're a reddit moderator". It didn't feel like actual inclusion, it felt like the rapping anti-drug troupe coming to school version of inclusiveness. The Indominatable Spirit of comics. Please tell me that this isn't an actual representation of comics trying to be progressive and that this is just some horribly off centre version and real representation and not this artificiality exists.
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Lid posted:I'll be honest i could see the CHUDiness of it (especially as looking at the videos author included referenced to cancel culture in regard to movie listings... yeah) but like I had to do a double take at Snowflake and Safespace and "they're a reddit moderator". It didn't feel like actual inclusion, it felt like the rapping anti-drug troupe coming to school version of inclusiveness. The Indominatable Spirit of comics. It was a comic that was announced, then COVID shut down all comics publishing for 2 months, Marvel has been slow at ramping up their publishing and it hasn't been resolicited yet, so it might not ever actually get published, they haven't said any specific titles but Marvelhas said that some books solicited before the shut down will get cut, especially since no one anywhere on the political spectrum was looking forward to that book. There's also some low selling books that got shuffled off to digital only (RIP Valkyrie, I guess that Hawkeye book starring the worse Hawkeye too) so if enough art was already done for it, it might become a digital only thing too.
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Lid posted:I'll be honest i could see the CHUDiness of it (especially as looking at the videos author included referenced to cancel culture in regard to movie listings... yeah) but like I had to do a double take at Snowflake and Safespace and "they're a reddit moderator". It didn't feel like actual inclusion, it felt like the rapping anti-drug troupe coming to school version of inclusiveness. The Indominatable Spirit of comics. Can't quite parse the second paragraph but kibblesmith (the writer) definitely announced them as actual team members apparently not seeing how bad it looked. Then both him and marvel got yelled at by pretty much everybody and covid happened and no one's heard anything about the two characters or new warriors since site fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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Lid posted:Please tell me that this isn't an actual representation of comics trying to be progressive and that this is just some horribly off centre version and real representation and not this artificiality exists. This article focuses on the pre-publication promotional material for two books that haven't been published yet, one of which inspired a big backlash from the very "SJW"s who it was hypothetically meant to appeal to. It feels pretty cherry-picking to characterize an entire publisher/industry based on two books that have not been published.
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Edge & Christian posted:It feels pretty cherry-picking to characterize an entire publisher/industry based on two books that have not been published. And I'm not convinced ever will be, whatever Jordan D White is saying right now.
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