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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/TheEpicDept/status/1288820355960799233  what even the gently caress hahahahah
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/TheEpicDept/status/1288820355960799233 At least he's consistent, I guess. Police trying to make his dad pay taxes is bad, and police executing black people is also bad.
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yea i wasn't expecting that from the son of cliven "they never learned how to pick cotton" bundy but credit where credit is due
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ammon bundy has also defended migrants against attacks from ICE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBOf-ccsh0
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i get the ice thing, and i know they despise traffic tickets, but i thought local sheriffs were supposed to be the supreme law enforcement being for sovcits
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:ammon bundy has also defended migrants against attacks from ICE the legendary non-fash boogaloo boi, in the flesh
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:the legendary non-fash boogaloo boi, in the flesh JJ McNabb about to become unbearably smug.
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Tias posted:Sorry, I flew off the handle there. It's close to me, and I guess I see a lot of the comorbidity with pathological lying, I know it's not the case for all sufferers. It's cool.
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Jul 31, 2020 02:43
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/willsommer/status/1287912805857931264 it's piss all the way down!
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ChristsDickWorship posted:i get the ice thing, and i know they despise traffic tickets, but i thought local sheriffs were supposed to be the supreme law enforcement being for sovcits no law enforcement is acceptable for sovcits.
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Jul 31, 2020 04:09
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Flesh Forge posted:no law enforcement is acceptable for sovcits. Depends some of them think Sheriffs are real because of *reasons* it’s not a coherent ideology
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Depends some of them think Sheriffs are real because of *reasons* it’s not a coherent ideology I'll put it this way, I have never heard of this notion among any sovcit cases I've heard or read about, and I'm pretty sure it's not common among them.
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ChristsDickWorship posted:i get the ice thing, and i know they despise traffic tickets, but i thought local sheriffs were supposed to be the supreme law enforcement being for sovcits sheriffs arent cops because sheriffs are elected
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Maybe they are implicitly imagining they are sheriff
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Seems like some sheriffs are a sort of sovcit that puts forward that sheriffs are the supreme authority. Convenient, that
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Is this the shithead who drove his car toward protestors then got out & shot one of them dead? Then got let off due to self-defense?
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Is this the shithead who drove his car toward protestors then got out & shot one of them dead? Then got let off due to self-defense? you betcha!
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:you betcha! Holy loving intent, Batman!
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:ammon bundy has also defended migrants against attacks from ICE the mormons have a lot of ties to mexico due to missonary activity going back to the very start and there is a strong cultural memory of that time the federal government ordered their extermination
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Flesh Forge posted:I'll put it this way, I have never heard of this notion among any sovcit cases I've heard or read about, and I'm pretty sure it's not common among them. they reached out to the sheriff multiple times to come and protect them from the feds at malheur
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:woke ammon bundy owning the cons Isn't this what a true ancap libertarian looks like unlike the other libertarian larping conservatives.
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ChristsDickWorship posted:they reached out to the sheriff multiple times to come and protect them from the feds at malheur that is about the only time I've ever heard of this notion, yeah.
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CheeseSpawn posted:Isn't s what a true ancap libertarian looks like unlike the other libertarian larping conservatives. There are two types of libertarians who can be difficult to tell apart because they believe almost the same policies. “””True””” libertarians actually believe that their policies will lead to a both more prosperous and just world. They’re wrong, but they have a similar desired end goal as most leftists. But many are just randian fash that like weed and think the government is stopping them from becoming rightful lords over the clamoring welfare leeching masses and how dare their tax dollars go to the takers. The only easy way I’ve seen to tell them apart that seems consistent is their opinion on open borders. Even the fashy ones sometimes hide behind anti police, faux progressivism and stuff like that though.
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Sovcits are big fans of sheriffs who are also sovcits and extremely likely to end up shooting the ones that aren't Theres some language in the constitution or somewhere that they say claims sheriffs are the highest legitimate form of authority but even then its only something they believe right up until someone with a badge stops them some doing something insanely illegal
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Flesh Forge posted:that is about the only time I've ever heard of this notion, yeah. Believing that sheriffs are the only valid law enforcement is more specifically a Posse Comitatus belief based on a misunderstanding of English common law, rather than a general sovcit thing; they've mostly died out as an organized group since the 90s, but you'll still run into some older people like the Bundys who still believe it
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Well well https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1289023565665312770 WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL WELL.
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Flesh Forge posted:Well well lol Milo and Molyneux and who the gently caress else were banned before actual Klansmen David Duke lol
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kancel kulture kas gone too far
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90s Cringe Rock posted:kancel kulture kas gone too far https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1289055730960662528?s=20
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:There are two types of libertarians who can be difficult to tell apart because they believe almost the same policies. There's a decent number of leftists (myself included) who had embarrassing stopovers in libertarianism on our political journey. Perhaps for that reason, I personally find libertarian true believers far easier to reach common ground with than bog standard libs. A lot of the true believers get to libertarianism to resolve the cognitive dissonance that comes realizing that the state is deeply reactionary no matter who is in power, and that societal progress will only ever be achieved by fighting the state for it, while only having ever heard of leftism in the context of an authoritarian state. Maybe this is just me growing up in a deep red area, but there's a lot of people whose hearts are genuinely in the right place but who have deeply internalized a lot of bad information. This strikes me as the perfect example of someone who comes by their lovely opinions as a result of really never having been exposed to true alternatives. Not saying that he's going to suddenly become an actual ally, just that there's a lot of non-famous people in a similar situation who are currently working through that same cognitive dissonance.
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There's basically three libertarians: On the way to leftism, on the way to fascism, and Radley Balko.
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I strongly disagree with these characterisations. The libertarian space is naturally going to be filled with grifters and marks who muddy the waters, but libertarianism is fundamentally a critique of power and a purestrain libertarian (as rare as they are) is capable of a coherent ideology that won't slide into authoritarianism. The issue is that ideologues that don't value collective/biological power aren't going to make much of an effort to regulate themselves and flush bad-faith actors out. There's lots of room for racists, but someone who's had state guns drawn on him because of his principles/identity is not going to go all in on the side of state power.
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Call Your Grandma posted:I strongly disagree with these characterisations. No, Anarchism is fundamentally a critique of power, what the word "libertarianism" means in the US (as opposed to its usage pretty much everywhere else, which is, again, anarchism) is simply a rejection of democratic control over or limitations on private capitalist power derived from an absolutist view of property rights. Libertarianism as espoused by the Bundy types is a profoundly authoritarian ideology; they hate the government not for exerting power over others but for interfering with the proprietarian rights they believe they are due. (They're also generally full of poo poo; the Bundys got in trouble, don't forget, because they refused to pay nominal grazing fees on land they don't own.)
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i hesitate even to lump ammon bundy into the libertarian camp in the same way, since i think his beliefs can't be dislocated from the fundamentalist branch of mormonism he ascribes to from a progressive-minded mormon blog: https://twitter.com/Dalrymple/status/1068637520496275456 quote:The interaction between Mormonism and the regional politics of the Mountain West has been explored in some news articles, but it’s hard to explain in outsider terms how deeply the language and tenor of religion has infused into a worldview that is staunchly individualistic, tied to clan/family life and is extremely suspicious of the federal government (and in many cases state government as well). Modern revelation features heavily into daily life; the temple (specifically, the local temple) is a focal point; prayer infuses all activities and communications; and scripture is read as immediately applicable to daily life. The Book of Mormon especially contains a number of passages regarding government and individual rights which lend themselves to a worldview where centralized power is to be distrusted and individuals are empowered to stand up to defend their families and their liberty. America is a designated land of freedom and promise.[1] Corrupt, rich leaders driving people to wickedness are actually a fulfillment of Book of Mormon predictions of a cycle of pride, which will lead to the destruction of the government and the wicked, leaving only the small band of believers. It’s not hard, if you take the Book of Mormon seriously, to see the antics of the federal government as a serious warning sign.
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Ammon Bundy's rationale is consistent in that it's a systemic critique but he's philosophically still at odds with any kind of "woke" interpretation of things. He's savvy enough to (rightly) understand that a militarized force will always represent a vastly larger threat to his wellbeing than any number of black people marching in the streets. BLM is the enemy-of-my-enemy from his standpoint. Hard to say where the exact intersections of his philosophy cross those of the larger trends of the BLM movement, but it would be interesting to hear him respond to more pointed questions about whether or where his thinking on the matter has evolved. Edit: ^^^ like that, yeah Heath has issued a correction as of 20:31 on Jul 31, 2020 |
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Heath posted:Ammon Bundy's rationale is consistent in that it's a systemic critique but he's philosophically still at odds with any kind of "woke" interpretation of things. He's savvy enough to (rightly) understand that a militarized force will always represent a vastly larger threat to his wellbeing than any number of black people marching in the streets. BLM is the enemy-of-my-enemy from his standpoint. Hard to say where the exact intersections of his philosophy cross those of the larger trends of the BLM movement, but it would be interesting to hear him respond to more pointed questions about whether or where his thinking on the matter has evolved. I'm sure they have a foundation of white supremacy to their religion, as it ties white blood to US soil through the myth of the 12 tribes of Israel coming to America or whatever. Wasn't the mark of Cain myth used to prevent black people from joining the regular mormon church until the 70s? They probably imagine that the day of the rope can start the day after the government falls and they have their own fiefdom to rule as they choose.
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Call Your Grandma posted:I strongly disagree with these characterisations. one of my friends will not shut up about the 17th Amendment, but I can't see him backsliding into authoritarianism any time soon
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