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Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Wolfenstein origin story

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freeedr
Feb 21, 2005


Big Jay McNeely

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




I’m the three separate men cumming

Cable Guy
Jul 18, 2005

I don't expect any trouble, but we'll be handing these out later...




Slippery Tilde
There's a fight on at the moment to award Teddy Sheean a posthumous Victoria Cross... it's not going well.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-17/teddy-sheean-eyewitness-accounts-of-wwii-bravery/12254164

The ABC Article posted:

Accounts of WWII hero Teddy Sheean's act of 'outstanding bravery' inspire continuing fight for Victoria Cross

That the astonishing act of wartime bravery by Edward "Teddy" Sheean, an 18-year-old with less than two years at sea, was denied a Victoria Cross does not come as a surprise to military historian Tom Lewis.

This week, supporters of the campaign to have Sheean posthumously receive a VC were dealt a huge blow, with the Government seeing no reason to overturn an earlier decision to withhold the award, Australia's highest wartime honour. Included in the reasoning was the determination that nothing had changed since it had been decided Sheean's actions in 1942 "did not reach the particularly high standard" required.

"Of the approximately 100 that have been given to military personnel in Australian history, the Royal Australian Navy has never been given one," Mr Lewis said.

Wounded, his ship sinking beneath him, Sheean is recorded as returning to his anti-aircraft gun to fire at enemy aircraft that were strafing his shipmates as they floundered in the water, despite the order having been given to abandon ship.

"Nobody expects anything more from you when you're told to abandon ship, than to abandon ship," Mr Lewis said. "But to do more, to go over and above, to turn back and man your station again and fire at the enemy, to defend your shipmates who have been machined-gunned in the water by Japanese aircraft, what better example can you get of outstanding bravery?"

Sheean had already cheated death once, before the fateful attack in December of 1942.

Born in December of 1923, Teddy grew up in the small country town of Latrobe in the north of Tasmania, the fourteenth child of his parents James and Mary Jane. At 18, he followed in the footsteps of five of his brothers who had joined the armed forces — enlisting in the Royal Australian Naval Reserve in April 1941.


Tasmanian WWII ordinary seaman Teddy Sheean.(Australian War Memorial)

The next year, Sheean was posted to Sydney where he was billeted at Garden Island in the requisitioned ferry Kuttabul, before joining his first ship as an Oerlikon anti-aircraft gun loader.

By then, Australia had no illusions it could escape the war — Darwin had been smashed in two surprise raids by Japanese fighters and bombers on the morning of February 19, the first of what would be 64 attacks on the northern stronghold.

In May 1942, Royal Australian Navy history records that Sheean was on home leave and not aboard when the Kuttabul was torpedoed by Japanese midget submarines that raided Sydney Harbour.

Twenty-one of his shipmates were killed.


HMAS Kuttabul partially submerged after a Japanese midget submarine attack in Sydney Harbour.(Australian War Memorial)

Eleven days later, after his return to Sydney, Sheean was sent to his new posting aboard one of Australia's new minesweepers, the Bathurst class HMAS Armidale — its first mission to carry out "escort duties along the eastern Australian coast and in New Guinea waters", navy history notes.

In October, Armidale set off for Darwin, with Ordinary Seaman Edward Sheean as crew member on one of three Oerlikon 20-millimetre anti-aircraft guns.

In a 2017 speech to the Naval Historical Society about the sinking of the Armidale, historian and author Dr Kevin Smith explained the operating of the Oerlikon gun.

"Each Oerlikon was served by a gun crew of three or four; the gun chief who found the targets, the gunner strapped to his weapon with a waist belt and held firmly in shoulder supports, who had the essential role of hitting enemy targets; the loader who fed the ammunition drums of 7-inch rounds to the cannon, with sometimes a second loader," Dr Smith said.

"Each gun crew member trained to serve in all three positions."

The Oerlikon, as the Naval History and Heritage website has noted, was capable of 480 rounds-per-minute, "fed by a drum magazine of 60 rounds, the weapon would keep firing as long as the firing lever was held back — or until something broke". Teddy Sheean had been trained as a loader, but also knew how to aim and fire the Oerlikon.

It would be only two months before he would be doing so, in the act of bravery he is remembered for.

Navy history notes in November 1942, Armidale, HMA Castlemaine and Kuru, a "shallow draught, 76-foot wooden motor vessel" were taking part in a relief and resupply operation in Japanese-occupied area now known as Timor-Leste, a mission codenamed Operation Hamburger.

With Kuru sailing on ahead, Armidale and Castlemaine followed, leaving Darwin after midnight on November 29, the plan to make two separate night runs into the coastal village of Betano on Timor's southern coastline, dropping off reinforcements and picking up civilians.

"One hundred and twenty miles from their destination, the two corvettes came under aerial attack from a single enemy aircraft. Although neither ship sustained any damage or casualties, concerns were raised that the mission may have been compromised," the Royal Australian Navy website states.

"The attack was duly reported and orders were received to 'press on'."

More attacks would follow, with Armidale and Castlemaine managing to avoid major damage, both ships eventually meeting up again with the Kuru, which by that time had picked up a group of Portuguese who were transferred to the Castlemaine.

"No sooner was the personnel transfer complete when enemy bombers again appeared," RAN records note. With Castlemaine ordered back to Darwin, Armidale and Kuru were ordered back to Betano to complete the reinforcement mission."

Armidale would become separated from Kuru, after both were attacked from the air, the smaller vessel ordered to bolt for Darwin.

Armidale was on its own.


HMAS Armidale at sea in Port Moresby.(Australian War Memorial)

At approximately 1:00pm on December 1, five Japanese bombers were spotted by Armidale's lookouts, RAN records note.

"For the next half an hour Armidale's gunners beat off successive Japanese attacks and the ship escaped serious damage."

Darwin radioed Armidale, advising that warplanes would be there to help in 45 minutes. Official naval history states it was just before 3:00pm when Armidale was attacked by nine Japanese bombers, three fighters and a float plane.

"The fighters split up and came in at low level, strafing decks with machine gun fire. With her gunners thus distracted, the torpedo bombers mounted their attacks from different directions as [Commanding Officer David] Richards manoeuvred desperately to avoid their torpedoes.


Oerlikon anti-aircraft gun, in use during World War II.(Australian War Memorial)

"In spite of the brave resistance, the ship was hit twice by torpedoes, immediately heeling over to port. At that point Richards gave the order to abandon ship. Rafts were cut loose and a motor boat freed from its falls before men took to the water. Their ordeal, however, was far from over.

"The Japanese airmen then pressed home further attacks, machine gunning the survivors."

ABC war correspondent Peter Hemery interviewed two of the survivors from HMAS Armidale, soon after they had returned from their ordeal.

Arthur Iansbury was Signalman on Armidale's bridge at the time of the torpedo attack.

"When the first one hit, it threw me to the deck, and when I got on my feet again, I raced to the voice pipe down to the radio room to try and send out a distress message, but couldn't raise them," Mr Iansbury said.

Later, it would be understood that the radio had been destroyed.

Jack Duckworth was at the stern of the ship when the torpedo hit and was knocked over by water rushing into the vessel.

"While we were getting to the motorboat, Jap fighters machine-gunned us … several boys were hit with cannon fire," Mr Duckworth said.

"We eventually got the boat away, and jumped into the water.

"We'd just dropped astern when another torpedo hit her midships, smoke and oil went everywhere."

Another survivor, Leading Seaman Leigh Bool, would tell of how, after the order to abandon ship was given, "seven or eight of us were on the quarterdeck when we saw another bomber coming from the starboard quarter. It hit us with another torpedo and we were thrown in a heap among the depth charges and racks".

"We could feel the Armidale going beneath us, so we dived over the side and swam about 50 yards astern as fast as we could," Seaman Bool said.

"Then we stopped swimming and looked back at our old ship. She was sliding under, the stern high in the air, the propellers still turning.

"The hero of the battle was a young ordinary seaman, Edward Sheean, not long at sea, who refused to leave the ship.

"Sheean had no chance of escape. Strapped to his anti-aircraft gun, he blazed away till the last. One of the Jap bombers, hit by his gun, staggered away trailing smoke, just skimming the surface until it crashed with a mighty splash about a quarter mile away."

Survivor William Lamshed said he recalled first sighting the enemy aircraft.

"When we first saw these different looking planes coming, we just knew we were in big trouble, and that our end might be near, so I quickly went to my hidey-hole, as I called it, and cringed in a corner, waiting to be blown to pieces."

He would be washed into the sea by a wall of water from an explosion.

"The Zeroes [Japanese fighter planes] were raking the ship with cannon and machine-gun fire from their noses and wings, then another torpedo struck on the starboard side and the ship split in two," he would recall.

"I was now in complete panic as my ship was sinking in front of my eyes, with all still on board trying to escape. Now the front of the ship was turning on its side and going down."The rear section was leaning on an angle, when the after Oerlikon gun started firing and I saw tracers actually hitting a dive-bombing Zero, which flew over my head and disappeared into the sea about a quarter of a mile away.

"A brilliant bit of shooting, I thought, considering the deck was at such a steep angle and that the gun was still firing as the ship sank under the water."

Jack Duckworth was another who said he saw Teddy Sheean do the unthinkable.

"As she went down, Ted Sheean kept one of his guns firing, and went down with the ship," Mr Duckworth said.

"He got a row of machine-gun bullets right across the chest, but went back to his gun, strapped himself in and kept on firing as she went below the water."

Wikipedia posted:

Armidale undertook evasive action, manoeuvring frantically to avoid the aerial attack. However, at 15:15, the vessel was struck by two air-launched torpedoes, one hitting her port side and the other colliding with the engineering spaces, before a bomb exploded aft. Armidale listed sharply to port at this stage, and the order was given to abandon ship. As the crew leapt into the sea, they were strafed by the attacking aircraft. Sheean—after assisting to free a life-raft—was hit by two bullets from one of the aircraft, wounding him in the chest and back. Scrambling across the deck, he strapped himself into the aft Oerlikon 20 mm cannon and began shooting at the fighters in an effort to protect some of the sailors already in the sea. Subject to the fire from Sheean's Oerlikon, the Japanese aircraft were kept at bay and were unable to effectively strafe those in the water.
With Armidale rapidly sinking, Sheean continued to fire and managed to shoot down one of the Japanese bombers. He damaged a further two aircraft before Armidale's stern was engulfed by the sea. Despite this, Sheean maintained his fire as the water rose above his feet, and remained firing as he "disappeared beneath the waves".[ Sheean's crewmates later testified to witnessing tracers rising from beneath the water's surface as Sheean was dragged under

The ABC Article posted:

Armidale's Commanding Officer Richards would credit Sheean as "bringing down one enemy bomber", adding Sheean "continued firing until he was killed at his gun".


Dale Marsh's painting of Teddy Sheean hangs in the Australian War Memorial.(Australian War Memorial)

It would not be enough.
Bad Arse.

Edit:

quote:

On 1 May 1999, the submarine HMAS Sheean was launched by Ivy Hayes—sister of Teddy Sheean—named in the ordinary seaman's honour. Sheean was subsequently commissioned into the Royal Australian Navy on 23 February 2001, and was the first Royal Australian Navy vessel to be named in honour of a naval rating. Carrying the motto "Fight On", the vessel was one of six Collins-class submarines entered into service.

Cable Guy has a new favorite as of 05:12 on Aug 1, 2020

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



freeedr posted:


Big Jay McNeely

I’m the lady who’s all “eh, I’ve seen better”

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret

StrixNebulosa posted:

This is the most video game poo poo I've ever seen. No reinforcements. Lots of men die. But against the impossible odds, they hold it.

Funny you should say that, because that exact battle is part of the American campaign in Call of Duty 2, which is based on that specific Ranger unit. There’s also a book about them, Dog Company by Patrick O’Donnell, which is pretty good and I think that article uses some quotes from it.

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
AUTOMATED
and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen
But did those Rangers hold off the enemy from the roof of a Vancouver, WA Burgerville?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTOyxsnMl0s
I've been to that Burgerville. Nothing exciting about it, though I wasn't fighting off waves of Russian paratroopers.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



I'm sure they must've been mentioned before but what about Cassius Clay?

No, not nee Muhammad Ali (even though he was very kick-rear end), I'm talking about his eponym, the Kentucky politician. What made him particularly bad-rear end? Well, for starters, he was an abolitionist in Kentucky from a slave-owning family. When he was able to, he immediately freed all slaves that he could under his power. This doesn't make him bad-rear end, just a good person in a time when being a good person was all too rare. No, what made him bad-rear end was his abolitionist period.

As you can imagine, being an abolitionist made you very few friends in pre-Civil war America, even less in Kentucky. This was the time when people regularly fought duels, or bludgeoned people half to death on the floor of the House of Representatives. Clay was beholden to this type of violence during a debate in Kentucky, when he was shot by a hired gun mid-debate. Now, he was not like you or me, who would have probably died, or sought medical attention. He was not even like Teddy Roosevelt, who would have continued his speech. Clay's response was to leap from the podium, chase down his would-be assassin, GOUGE HIS EYES OUT WITH A BOWIE KNIFE and throw him to what one could only assume was an incredibly unhappy death.

He was later assaulted by six brothers during another speech for abolition. Again, Clay proved to be a man of action as well as words, seeing as he managed to A) survive 6:1 odds but also B) kill one of them as well.

I also seem to remember hearing one time he was challenged to a duel, and his opponent was so scared he committed suicide instead of facing him, but alas, cannot verify that.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


There's a Dollop on him.
He was kinda crazy but definitely a badass.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I’m the three separate men cumming

I'm the nerd with glasses in the back who likes the music but thinks this is all getting a bit too rowdy for his taste

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/doctorwibble/status/1289176636378591237?s=19
https://twitter.com/doctorwibble/status/1289330155098316800?s=19

frankee
Dec 29, 2017

Wilfred Brimley with a sweet potato


Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
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Illegal Hen

frankee posted:

Wilfred Brimley with a sweet potato




When watching that movie my friends & I would yell "It's the right thing to doooooooooo!!!!" as he rides away from the explosion.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Samovar posted:

He was later assaulted by six brothers during another speech for abolition. Again, Clay proved to be a man of action as well as words, seeing as he managed to A) survive 6:1 odds but also B) kill one of them as well.

Imagine the awkward conversations the five had with their family.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




frankee posted:

Wilfred Brimley with a sweet potato




Witcher 4 lookin pretty decent

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Witcher 4 lookin pretty decent

Finally a game with a realistically portrayed protagonist for boys to emulate, instead of another tall, handsome stoic with perfect abs.

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

Conveniently she is qualified to treat the severe burn she just dished out.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Platystemon posted:

Imagine the awkward conversations the five had with their family.

Do you think Dad told them each he has no son or if he did it all at once

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Well he definitely has at least one less son than before.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



lol

6 v 1 and you lose so bad that one of you dies.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Phlegmish posted:

lol

6 v 1 and you lose so bad that one of you dies.

git gud noob

The Zombie Guy
Oct 25, 2008

StrixNebulosa posted:

In WWII, an outnumbered band of US Rangers captured a hill and then proceeded to defend it against lots of Nazis.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2017/05/19/taking-hill-400-army-rangers-vs-fallschirmjagers/

This is the most video game poo poo I've ever seen. No reinforcements. Lots of men die. But against the impossible odds, they hold it.

Can't remember if I posted it here before or not, but I'll post it again because why the hell not?

Lemme tell you about the Polish Thermopylae.

In June of 1939, Poland begins building fortifications around the village of Wizna. It was a strategically important area that covered 2 river crossings, and allowed access to several major roads. Unfortunately, they only had a few months of construction time before Germany invaded in September, kicking off WWII. September 7th, German forces captured the village of Wizna, and began sizing up the resistance facing their advancement. Although they had great defensive ground, Polish forces were severely outnumbered and out-gunned.
Let's take a look at the tale of the tape:

Poland
- 720 men
- 12 bunkers
- 6 pieces of artillery
- 24 heavy machine guns
- 18 machine guns
- 2 anti-tank rifles

Germany
- 42,000 men
- 350 tanks
- 108 howitzers
- 58 pieces of artillery
- 195 anti-tank guns
- 108 mortars
- 188 grenade launchers
- 288 heavy machine guns
- 689 machine guns

Even through victory was impossible, Polish Captain Władysław Raginis rallied the defenders, and swore he would defend the position as long as he was alive.

Facing overwhelming odds, the Polish forces threw back repeated German assaults, stalling the massive invasion. After three days of intense fighting, only 2 of the bunkers still stood. On the afternoon of Sept 10th, a German envoy approached under a banner of truce in order to negotiate a surrender. Captain Raginis took stock of the situation, and realized it was a futile effort to continue. All of his remaining forces were wounded, and out of ammunition. Hoping to save a few lives, the Captain ordered his men to lay down their weapons and surrender. Keeping true to his word, the heavily wounded Raginis threw himself on a hand grenade and committed suicide. Don't let anybody ever tell you that Poland just rolled over when Germany came knocking.

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE
Goddamn.

dpack_1
Mar 23, 2009

Let another's wounds be your warning
WWII Was, in my opinion, the last time the absolute TOP medals of whatever branch of military from whatever country the allies offered, should have been awarded.

Like, in the UK for example, it's the Victoria Cross. Now I'm sorry, but hearing about some kid with zero real training, just being conscripted then tossed into the front lines within a week, and instantly performing some movie-like feat of bravery such as throwing himself on a grenade to save everyone in his platoon. THAT kind of excellence and selflessness will FAR exceed some bullshit volunteer in the 21st century Air Force using a Microsoft HOTAS to push a drone into a nosedive so it hits a 'potential' terrorist but also caused [REDACTED] collateral damage. Doing so will end with them getting a medal for 'bravery' because they made the tough choice of taking out 27 civilians just to hit the 'Jack of Clubs' or some nonsense.

The Silent Generation War Vets were made from Iron and Grit with balls of Steel.

And this is coming from someone that thinks every nation spends too much on their military as their citizens starve and live without shelter. FUUUUUCK

BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica
Kids in the chair force deserve medals of conscience for contracting ptsd

Striped with Xanax bars :911:

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

I'm sure there's plenty of opportunity to do heroic poo poo in the forever wars and plenty of heroic poo poo has been done

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


And yet nobody punched out any of the commanders in chief, what a missed opportunity.

spookykid
Apr 28, 2006

I am an awkward fellow
after all

dpack_1 posted:

WWII Was, in my opinion, the last time the absolute TOP medals of whatever branch of military from whatever country the allies offered, should have been awarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez#6_Hours_in_Hell

Dude, armed with a knife and a medic bag, manages to save a heavily wounded fireteam, holds off the attacking force, gets wounded so badly they think he's dead and only gets the MOH because 12 years later the only other surviving member of the whole shitshow reads an account of the stuff in a Fiji newspaper and goes "hey wait a minute".

They thought the dude was dead and as they were bagging him up in the transport chopper he spit blood in the medic's face.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

spookykid posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez#6_Hours_in_Hell

Dude, armed with a knife and a medic bag, manages to save a heavily wounded fireteam, holds off the attacking force, gets wounded so badly they think he's dead and only gets the MOH because 12 years later the only other surviving member of the whole shitshow reads an account of the stuff in a Fiji newspaper and goes "hey wait a minute".

They thought the dude was dead and as they were bagging him up in the transport chopper he spit blood in the medic's face.

And when he says "wounded" it's not just that he got blasted as he was about to evac. He got shot then refused treatment so he could go save more guys.

Also:

quote:

At one point in the battle an NVA soldier accosted him and stabbed him with his bayonet. Benavidez pulled it out, yanked out his own knife, killed him and kept going

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7xgbdy/inside-the-kill-zone-of-fallujahs-hell-house

This image has stuck with me for years. TRADOC really lives up to the DOC part with the IET handbook being full of medal citations and every range being named after decorated soldiers with plaques showing their medal citations. There are many, many amazing people out there that, putting aside the politics of war, forfeit their lives to accomplish the mission and / or save lives

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Humans are inherently good and awesome. Or at least a lot of them are. God drat.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Is this the bootlicker thread now?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Biplane posted:

Is this the bootlicker thread now?

Post the content you want to see.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Biplane posted:

Is this the bootlicker thread now?

Respect soldiers gently caress the politicians that put them into wars.

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

spookykid posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Benavidez#6_Hours_in_Hell

Dude, armed with a knife and a medic bag, manages to save a heavily wounded fireteam, holds off the attacking force, gets wounded so badly they think he's dead and only gets the MOH because 12 years later the only other surviving member of the whole shitshow reads an account of the stuff in a Fiji newspaper and goes "hey wait a minute".

They thought the dude was dead and as they were bagging him up in the transport chopper he spit blood in the medic's face.

Did he by chance mention anything about "ripping" or "tearing"? :ohdear:

Pararoid
Dec 6, 2005

Te Waipounamu pride

StrixNebulosa posted:

Respect soldiers gently caress the politicians that put them into wars.

Soliders who are conscripted against their will, sure...

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Pararoid posted:

Soliders who are conscripted against their will, sure...

Capitalism takes away will when it imposes poverty without recourse.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Pararoid posted:

Soliders who are conscripted against their will, sure...

Yeah gently caress those under-educated seventeen year old kids living in poverty. They're no angels.


Turns out poo poo's complicated, yo

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Remember that the US military offers like full rides to college. And the popular myth is that you need college to get a job. So.

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Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



I like people who weren’t captured.

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