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Trump tries to force bytedance sell tictoc cheap to american investors. The thing is he is operating it in a breakneck speed. That pace is like 10x too fast now that his poll is in the shitter.
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Aug 1, 2020 10:30
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Soft power
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Aug 1, 2020 12:38
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https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1288826253852606466
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Aug 1, 2020 13:30
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https://twitter.com/AskAKorean/status/1289262426706210817?p=v now im not saying we should totally kill these motherfuckers and salt the earth with their bleached bones but we should totally kill these motherfuckers and salt the earth with their bleached bones so anyway what is it with north koreans and their wacky paranoia where do they get these crazy ideas that if they didnt have nukes wed kill the motherfuckers and salt the earth with their bleached bones
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Aug 1, 2020 14:27
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https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1289418604744671232?p=v
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Aug 1, 2020 15:03
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China and Cuba made a concentrated effort to officially promote themselves on US social media within the past year, and they're getting pretty good at it at this point
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Aug 1, 2020 16:02
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With TikTok banned, I am forced to send sensitive information about the US the old fashioned way: by mail. Muscle memory compels me to address the letter to Houston, but then I remember. I remember and I weep.
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Aug 1, 2020 16:36
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But is it horizontal letter or vertical letter?
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Aug 1, 2020 17:30
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inscrutable celestials and their child propaganda apps
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Aug 1, 2020 17:39
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Is there a source for this that isn't some twitter rando?
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Aug 1, 2020 17:53
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this videos been discussed in the thread before i just thought it was funny that of all the times to bring it up he decided on as a response to people getting mad about trump banning tiktok just a teensy bit of a mixed message coming from an alt centrist
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Aug 1, 2020 18:10
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for some reason when i think of centrism i think of dimensions like if u center urself only in x and y axis, u neglected the third dimension. 3d centrism bitch. what about time? 4d centrism. how the gently caress does string theory factor into centrism
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Aug 1, 2020 18:27
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Top City Homo posted:u are objectively wrong about xinjiang so stop arguing about it Looks like I got under your skin. I tend to do that to tankie types because I've spent years in East Asia and usually know exactly how and where ya'll are wrong.
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Aug 1, 2020 18:46
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I've spent years hiding under skin, they never even notice; tradecraft
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Aug 1, 2020 18:51
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huhwhat posted:ive brought some filth from the deep dark recesses of the twitter mines that u loath so much, goon sire I am not 'staunchly anti-China' at all. China is awesome in many ways and awful in many others. A land of contrasts, if you will. Vietnam has hosed up western imperialists in ways that China never has tho so that's good. The argument that poor misguided twitter-user is making boils down to this: do we weigh nations by what they have actually done, or do we judge them for what they theoretically would have done if they were much larger and more powerful? EDIT: Also Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap are far better leaders than any China has seen this century, with the exception of possibly Deng.
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Aug 1, 2020 18:54
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NaanViolence posted:EDIT: Also Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap are far better leaders than any China has seen this century, with the exception of possibly Deng. 
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Aug 1, 2020 19:05
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Heavy emphasis on the 'possibly.' The judgment of Deng's final success or failure depends on the course of future events.
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Aug 1, 2020 19:15
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NaanViolence posted:Looks like I got under your skin. I tend to do that to tankie types because I've spent years in East Asia and usually know exactly how and where ya'll are wrong. Ah, so you admit to being a dirty sexpat and CIA stooge! We all know that real China Experts (as opposed to China Watchers) have never left their basements and get their knowledge from random Twitter feeds
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Aug 1, 2020 19:29
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Darkest Auer posted:Ah, so you admit to being a dirty sexpat and CIA stooge! We all know that real China Experts (as opposed to China Watchers) have never left their basements and get their knowledge from random Twitter feeds I totally understand the sexpat hate so I rarely push back on it but assuming every white dude who spends time in Asia is a sexpat is going too far.
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Aug 1, 2020 19:39
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Again, that is the same video that has been posted dozens of times and still doesn't have any details about it including when it was taken or where (it has been posted for a while so it can't be in the last few years.) Also, the PLA hosed up the KMT in 1949 and then went on the offense in Korea against the US in 1951. (Btw, it seems that Vietnamese government themselves aren't as jazzed about a rivalry with China nearly as much as randos on the internet. Vietnam does about a third of its trade with the PRC.) -------------- Also, yes, it is possible for an white guy to live abroad and not turn into a weirdo even if they are plenty of examples to the opposite. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 20:07 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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Aug 1, 2020 19:59
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literally billions of people have “spent years of their lives in east asia”
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Aug 1, 2020 20:26
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NaanViolence posted:The argument that poor misguided twitter-user is making boils down to this: do we weigh nations by what they have actually done, or do we judge them for what they theoretically would have done if they were much larger and more powerful? then we must correct her misguided notions, such is the heavy burden god placed upon the shoulders of us enlightened folks
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Aug 1, 2020 20:50
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Gorman Thomas posted:Is there a source for this that isn't some twitter rando? *Xi jinping, whose luxuriant hair now reaches down to his waist* it's fake
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Aug 1, 2020 20:55
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Ardennes posted:(Btw, it seems that Vietnamese government themselves aren't as jazzed about a rivalry with China nearly as much as randos on the internet. Vietnam does about a third of its trade with the PRC.) Local Vietnamese (especially in the north) are constantly talking poo poo about the Chinese and accusing them of loving up things like their watermelon harvests by dumping. There is no indication IRL that the average Vietnamese person sees China as anything but a threat that they pragmatically trade with because of necessity. The second time I visited Vietnam there were a lot of accusations being thrown around that the Vietnamese government was betraying their people by giving land to China. I believe this was because the government was finalizing the official borderline between Vietnam and China. I guess it's possible that the current government is corruptly pro-China, but the people certainly aren't.
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Aug 1, 2020 23:32
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NaanViolence posted:Local Vietnamese (especially in the north) are constantly talking poo poo about the Chinese and accusing them of loving up things like their watermelon harvests by dumping. There is no indication IRL that the average Vietnamese person sees China as anything but a threat that they pragmatically trade with because of necessity. Do you really think Vietnamese people as a whole want to get embroiled in a geopolitical conflict with China or are just annoyed about cheap melons and border demarcation? There is a different between "Pro-China" (maybe they aren't) and wanting to be in active conflict with China (I doubt they do). It is clear Western "experts" are hoping to use Vietnam as a foil versus China, when it isn't in their best interests. I like you used "current government" and "corrupt" too...kind of showing your hand here.
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Aug 1, 2020 23:43
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I mean I would assume a lot of people in North Vietnam don't like China considering, you know The war
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Aug 1, 2020 23:44
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Grapplejack posted:I mean I would assume a lot of people in North Vietnam don't like China considering, you know It was also a 3 week conflict in which 30,000 (estimated) Vietnamese people died, rather than a decade plus conflict where 4 million died.
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Aug 1, 2020 23:54
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Tankies 🤝 the state department China is socialist
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Aug 2, 2020 00:11
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Ardennes posted:It was also a 3 week conflict in which 30,000 (estimated) Vietnamese people died, rather than a decade plus conflict where 4 million died. There were border skirmishes too that went through the 90s iirc, including a naval fight over the spratleys
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Aug 2, 2020 00:14
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Throatwarbler posted:literally billions of people have “spent years of their lives in east asia” prove it
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Aug 2, 2020 00:23
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Ardennes posted:It was also a 3 week conflict in which 30,000 (estimated) Vietnamese people died, rather than a decade plus conflict where 4 million died. And yet the Vietnamese are still more worried about China because of their geographical reality and the fact that China has killed way more Vietnamese over the centuries than America ever could. Vietnam has been very clever about pitting America and China against one another to reap the benefits of having a relationship with both while avoiding actual conflict with either one. I expect this to continue.
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Aug 2, 2020 00:37
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NaanViolence posted:Vietnam has been very clever about pitting America and China against one another to reap the benefits of having a relationship with both while avoiding actual conflict with either one. I expect this to continue. The issue is that DC was banking on Vietnam signing on to Team America and possibly allowing a naval base in Vietnam. It isn't going to happen. Hell, the TPP didn't happen either. Otherwise, I don't think there is that much difference between our two view points. Btw, I am skeptical India is ever to make a full pivot toward the US either. India's closest partner was Russia during the Cold War and lately India has been trying to keep that partnership going with the possibility of some cooperation with Iran. Also, it is in Russia's best interest to keep on selling weapons to India while keeping its strategy partnership with China. Not everything is going to go China's way but the issue is that most of Eurasia does business with each other and all of them are differing strategic interests. It makes a traditional containment strategy for the US far more difficult because we absolutely piss everyone off and have no long-term strategy.
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Aug 2, 2020 00:50
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lol China's pissed off most of SE Asia with its bullshit. even Duterte who initially wanted to pivot to China ended up doing the opposite.
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Aug 2, 2020 01:02
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Continuity RCP posted:Tankies 🤝 the state department great minds...
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Aug 2, 2020 02:16
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Well I've just been massively owned. Me: "China has over-liberalized." Pompeo and Xi simultaneously: "China has upheld the legacy of Marxism-Leninism!"
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Aug 2, 2020 02:24
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Xi Jinping spreading literal US State Dept propaganda smh
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Aug 2, 2020 02:26
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Duterte actually has been pretty drat friendly to China. After US declaring the "9 dash line" not lawful (like the US repeated said previously), Duterte said a few days later Philippine has no arm to fight China in his state of union address. Think about it, why would he actually say it out loud? Obviously, Trump was trying to put him up to start a fight with China first, and then Philippine can ask US to help out in a naval confrontation. But being an old fox that he is, Duterte didn't want to get in the way of two raging elephants. So he GTFO of the room first.
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Aug 2, 2020 02:36
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Duterte ran on a promise of getting on a jetski and planting the Philippine flag on the Spratlys to prove how serious he was about wanting to protect Philippine territorial claims, and then once in office completely rolled-over and refused to do anything about it, going so far as being conciliatory towards Beijing during instances of maritime accidents between fisherfolk and Chinese-flagged ships. His usual excuse for not wanting to challenge China is that doing so would result in a war that the Philippines would lose. He's also built up his infrastructure development program on loans from China as part of Belt-and-Road, and allowed the entry of online gambling companies to set-up shop here. The liberal opposition is firmly entrenched in the belief that he's a stooge for Xi Jinping, in a way very similar to how American liberals view Trump as a pawn of Putin. This is backed up by Duterte using a lot of anti-American rhetoric when he talks about foreign policy at all. He repeatedly attacked America as far as their role in destroying Manila during the fight to liberate it in 1945, and brought up numerous instances of American soldiers massacring Filipinos during our period of being an American colony (look up the Bud Dajo massacre and Jacob H Smith). The thing is though, Duterte hasn't actually changed the legal diplomatic relationship between the US and the Philippines - we've still received hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid, we still have US "advisors" on Philippine soil, and the military bases agreement that was signed during the previous administration is still going ahead, and two large recent changes to our economic policy (lifting of rice import limits and pork tariffs) was done at the behest of the WTO. There was a period in January where it looked like Duterte might abrogate the Visiting Forces Agreement over an attempt by Congress to have Mike Pompeo's State Dept enforce portions of the Magnitsky Act against the Duterte administration for its human rights violations, but in May, he had that cancelled, so the VFA stayed on. The pundits claimed that this was a sign that Duterte was "coming around" to the idea that he still needed to keep the US on his side to resist Chinese encroachment, but given that this would have been the very first thing he did that actually had a material effect on PH-US relations, and he still didn't do it, I'm more inclined to think that he never meant to do it at all and was just looking for a quiet way to walk it back. As near as I can tell, he's catering to both the US and to China, except the anti-American/pro-China rhetoric gets far more attention to the extent that his public image is being a Chinese puppet, largely because of the media's own biases and agenda. ___ EDIT: There's also this thing happening in the public consciousness where his repeated praise for China and his repeated hopes for being able to get mass-produced vaccines specifically from China is getting a lot of oppositionists to declare that "I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I'm not going to let myself be injected with a Chinese-manufactured COVID vaccine", and then citing stories from 2018 and earlier about fake/bad vaccine scandals to back up their position. gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 04:02 on Aug 2, 2020 |
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Aug 2, 2020 03:50
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Ardennes posted:The issue is that DC was banking on Vietnam signing on to Team America and possibly allowing a naval base in Vietnam. It isn't going to happen. Hell, the TPP didn't happen either. Otherwise, I don't think there is that much difference between our two view points. asia outside of china and some portions of India have no need to trade overseas historically eurasian trade has been land trade between itself and i dont see that changing anytime soon
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Aug 2, 2020 04:12
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gradenko_2000 posted:EDIT: There's also this thing happening in the public consciousness where his repeated praise for China and his repeated hopes for being able to get mass-produced vaccines specifically from China is getting a lot of oppositionists to declare that "I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I'm not going to let myself be injected with a Chinese-manufactured COVID vaccine", and then citing stories from 2018 and earlier about fake/bad vaccine scandals to back up their position. good to know that filipino liberals are also xenophobic contrarians with no actual principles beyond fascist strongman bad
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Aug 2, 2020 05:04
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