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take three tablets posted:Anyway, the reason I'm posting this is I'm looking for recommendations. I'm interested in good modern JRPGs that don't have quite so much dialogue. I'm pretty tolerant of lots of talking, but I've stayed away from the genre partially because I've gotten the impression that this has become a problem endemic to the genre. Are there any good exceptions? Undertale Jimmy and the Pulsating Mass Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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The Colonel posted:yeah but cold steel's writing has actual personality sometimes cs does get very annoying at certain points, like in the plains section in 1 where everyone has to introduce themselves constantly
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take three tablets posted:I grew up on JRPGS, but have sort of fallen out of favor with the genre over the last decade or so. That said, I just finished up Persona 5 tonight, something I'd been playing in chunks and then falling off of over the last year and a half. I liked the game quite a bit, but there is one thing that just drives me crazy. Everyone talks so goddamn much. It's all pointless dialogue, too. Every single character in your party has to react to everything that happens individually, and they usually don't even say anything unique. Just a chorus of "what?!" and "is this really happening?!" over and over and over again. A similar thing was during the ending sequences, no less than 3 times the game stops to cut away to each individual confidant's reaction. It's kind of ludicrous. There's just so much padding for a game where my clear file reads 101 hours. You could play SMT3 Nocturne. It's getting a re release. Kild fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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Aug 1, 2020 11:46
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Yeah, not a whole lot of dialogue in that one. Maybe more than I remember, considering the original version was a pre-VA PS2 JRPG, but that was back before Atlus made games that tried to talk you to death.
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If I ever had the motivation I'd want to do an analysis of what percentage of in-game dialogue is purely instructional or expository across various genres. It drives me crazy how much useless information gets repeated in a game's text, much in the same way certain people go apopletic whenever a crafting menu appears.
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Aug 1, 2020 12:20
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Hwurmp posted:Undertale Ys 8 can be surprisingly wordy, especially in the Dana scenes and a bunch of stuff around the...one third mark or so? Whenever a plot event happens at camp, essentially. Like, the amount of text wasted on characters lamenting the death of the Captain, who they've known for like a couple days total is ridiculous.
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Aug 1, 2020 12:38
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Commander Keene posted:Yeah, not a whole lot of dialogue in that one. Maybe more than I remember, considering the original version was a pre-VA PS2 JRPG, but that was back before Atlus made games that tried to talk you to death. Yeah, they just killed you for real instead  .
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Morpheus posted:Ys 8 can be surprisingly wordy, especially in the Dana scenes and a bunch of stuff around the...one third mark or so? Whenever a plot event happens at camp, essentially. Like, the amount of text wasted on characters lamenting the death of the Captain, who they've known for like a couple days total is ridiculous. It is wordy but I remember it being relatively light on scenes where every single character says "I see" or "..." though. Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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Aug 1, 2020 13:34
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Tired Moritz posted:Idk about you guys but I kinda want to play Golden Sun again its overplayed how bad it is, but it isnt good either. thoroughly mediocre is my verdict as of 20...15ish
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mandatory lesbian posted:its overplayed how bad it is, but it isnt good either. thoroughly mediocre is my verdict as of 20...15ish Agree with this with only 1 thing to add: the combat/gameplay is unique enough to make it interesting. Not ground breakingly unique, but yeah
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Aug 1, 2020 13:58
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Dackel posted:Agree with this with only 1 thing to add: the combat/gameplay is unique enough to make it interesting. Not ground breakingly unique, but yeah I like the idea of the class system it's just unfortunate you never have to interact with it to actually beat anyone
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Dackel posted:Agree with this with only 1 thing to add: the combat/gameplay is unique enough to make it interesting. Not ground breakingly unique, but yeah I think Golden Sun was pretty amazing for the time it came out and the platform it was on and I enjoyed the everloving poo poo out of it, with the caveat that I don't think I could go back and play it today. I want a new game that captures the feelings of enjoyment of GS but modern and not obnoxious to play. GS on the DS was really not great because it didn't really iterate on anything and ramped up the "everyone has to talk about everything and say absolutely nothing" aspect.
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Aug 1, 2020 14:04
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Also the whole cliffhanger thing. It doesn't really stand on its own as a game, and the sequel never came.
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The Lost Age came out. 
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Hwurmp posted:Undertale I forgot about Undertale. I loved that game. I started an Ys game at one point in the distant past (I think it was Oath in Felghana), but i feel off for reasons I don't remember. Might be worth giving the series another shot. Kild posted:You could play SMT3 Nocturne. It's getting a re release. I played and loved Nocturne when it was new. I'm actually super excited for the re-release. Vadun posted:Stay away from Cold Steel. Every party member reacts individually to everything Endorph posted:Then yeah you're primarily describing a problem with P5. I'm not gonna say no other games have that issue but if your standard mediocre JRPG has that problem at like a 4, Persona 5 has that problem at like a 8, you get me. Is there anything really good on Vita that isn't P4G? I'm currently sharing a TV with my partner full time because of the whole pandemic thing, so if there's anything I can dig into handheld I would be interested in hearing about that as well. It's been hard to find good information because there's always conflicting info on whether a given Vita version of any game actually runs acceptably. One last thing: what's the consensus on the PS4 release of DQXI. I know the Switch version is coming to PS4, but I already have the original somehow. Would it be a HUGE mistake to just ignore the better version's existence and play the one I already have? Bland posted:
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exquisite tea posted:If I ever had the motivation I'd want to do an analysis of what percentage of in-game dialogue is purely instructional or expository across various genres. It drives me crazy how much useless information gets repeated in a game's text, much in the same way certain people go apopletic whenever a crafting menu appears. There is a reason for that. Repetition has two advantages. It helps reinforce information and it helps refresh memories. This is important because a lot of casual players may only play a game for an hour or so every other day or whatnot. Building in refreshers helps keep people from getting too lost when they are not shotgunning 4 hours a day like a good chunk of hardcore fans.
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Levantine posted:I think Golden Sun was pretty amazing for the time it came out and the platform it was on and I enjoyed the everloving poo poo out of it, with the caveat that I don't think I could go back and play it today. I wouldn't place it anywhere amazing for the time. Even then it was torturously slow. Throughouhly mediocre was a good was to put it.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:I wouldn't place it anywhere amazing for the time. Even then it was torturously slow. Throughouhly mediocre was a good was to put it. I have a soft spot for puzzle RPGs and it really scratches that itch. It was a very traditional RPG with some neat features so how much you enjoy those things may vary your mileage.
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take three tablets posted:The latter. I don't mind dialogue; it's the repetition that gets to me.
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Levantine posted:I think Golden Sun was pretty amazing for the time it came out and the platform it was on and I enjoyed the everloving poo poo out of it, with the caveat that I don't think I could go back and play it today. Across the entire GBA library, something like Final Fantasy VI is a much stronger title. But given that, FFVI was a very late release, the Golden Suns were pretty good during the GBAs actual run.
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golden sun wasn't even good when it came out, we just thought it was because we were literal children who didn't know any better isn't it, like, longer than the bible in terms of storyline word count but most of those words are exclamations that don't even say anything. mostly to remind you that yes, Fire Sword Man A actually is in your party Fur20 fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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take three tablets posted:
Have you tried the vanillaware vita games? Odin sphere and dragon's crown are great, and muramasa is okay so far
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take three tablets posted:The only Tales game I've played was Symphonia back on GC, and I remember enjoying it quite a bit, but felt like it was way longer than it needed to be. Is Berseria the best place to pick the series back up? I've heard a lot of people say Vesperia is "the one". And Berseria's like 10 bucks right now, I'm pretty sure.
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Berseria is one of the best Tales games. It has a man who punches spells at dudes and is also a pirate.
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vesperia is an okay game with some absolutely grueling segments. berseria's fun
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CottonWolf posted:The Lost Age came out. No, to Dark Dawn, the DS one. also Eternia is the best tales game.
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The White Dragon posted:golden sun wasn't even good when it came out, we just thought it was because we were literal children who didn't know any better Golden Sun was universally considered a great game when it came out. By children and adults! Because at the time it was literally the best game in town for that type of game on the system. It's really easy to judge something by today's standards but at the time it was a thing. You certainly don't have to like it or play it though!
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Levantine posted:It's really easy to judge something by today's standards but at the time it was a thing. You certainly don't have to like it or play it though! i played it as a kid but burned out at the desert with the whirlwinds. i couldn't figure out exactly when you were supposed to cast soak or whatever to quell them, because doing it in front of them didn't work and doing it when you were being sucked up by them also didn't work, but between that and the rest of the game i was just done
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I played both Golden Sun games multiple times growing up because it blew my mind to have an RPG like that on a portable system.
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The White Dragon posted:i played it as a kid but burned out at the desert with the whirlwinds. i couldn't figure out exactly when you were supposed to cast soak or whatever to quell them but between that and the rest of the game i was just done Lol, honestly I think desert areas are just cancer for RPGs of the era. I think of how many people just hate Breath of Fire 3 for the Desert of Death. I've always been one of those gamers that played puzzle games/RPGs with no guide though (I was also into adulthood when I played it the first time) so my experience is probably a bit different.
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I don't know if anyone else ever had the same experience but the plains area in BoF4 completely derailed my playthrough as a teenager. I must have spent at least five hours trying to get through it, I tried following the birds, not following the birds, using one end of the compass as north and the other but I could never, ever make it to the goal. in the end I actually had to throw in the towel despite really enjoying the game to that point because I could just not progress.
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nintendo cursed western jrpg fans' view of the best jrpg in the gba's early years by refusing to localize tomato adventure
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take three tablets posted:One last thing: what's the consensus on the PS4 release of DQXI. I know the Switch version is coming to PS4, but I already have the original somehow. Would it be a HUGE mistake to just ignore the better version's existence and play the one I already have?
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Leraika posted:also Eternia is the best tales game. Extremely correct opinion. It just owns in every aspect except craymel ball
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goblin week posted:except craymel ball "i know you're in the middle of a crappy dungeon right before the narrative payoff of meeting Gnome but let's play this card game" "no" "but thou must" *** "wasn't that so much fun!"
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The White Dragon posted:i played it as a kid but burned out at the desert with the whirlwinds. i couldn't figure out exactly when you were supposed to cast soak or whatever to quell them, because doing it in front of them didn't work and doing it when you were being sucked up by them also didn't work, but between that and the rest of the game i was just done that was the one where you had to hide in the shade or youd teleport to the beginning right? yeah that area sucked so did the air's rock from the second game too, they just couldnt make a good desert area to save thier life lol
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The White Dragon posted:"i know you're in the middle of a crappy dungeon right before the narrative payoff of meeting Gnome but let's play this card game" WHIS owns.  e: the best card games in rpgs: the actual build a deck game from Xenosaga 1, WHIS, Triple Triad
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All my attempts to replay Xenosaga Ep. 1 have ended at the first space station when you can start playing the card game.
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exquisite tea posted:All my attempts to replay Xenosaga Ep. 1 have ended at the first space station when you can start playing the card game. this Sakurazuka posted:Saving you from part 2 I guess also this
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