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Jim Silly-Balls posted:What do you guys feel is the last really good Pokémon? B2/W2? I thought B2/W2 was a waste of time and an unnecessary sequel. B/W was the high point of the series imo. HGSS is still my favorite though as a whole.
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Geostomp posted:That’s the kind of thing that sounds nice and thematic, but completely ignores the reality that the water route in this series are universally worse than land routes due to the need for a designated Surf and Dive user, the omnipresent trainers, lack of healers, lack of type diversity, landmarks, and the constant wild Pokemon random encounters. That's kind of Game Freak's modus operandi: They go for what's thematically appropriate even if its up being functionally bad. I mean look at balance and Pokemon movepools.
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Aug 1, 2020 02:26
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Geostomp posted:That’s the kind of thing that sounds nice and thematic, but completely ignores the reality that the water route in this series are universally worse than land routes due to the need for a designated Surf and Dive user, the omnipresent trainers, lack of healers, lack of type diversity, landmarks, and the constant wild Pokemon random encounters. The only thing that makes a water route suck is being constantly bombarded by tentacool and wingull every couple of inches. Take that out and just have it be overworld encounters and you get a lovely scenic route. personally I love the layout of Hoenn and Sinnoh is fine save the snow, mud, and fog being complete rear end to slog through
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Aug 1, 2020 02:30
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Zuzie posted:That's kind of Game Freak's modus operandi: They go for what's thematically appropriate even if its up being functionally bad. I mean look at balance and Pokemon movepools. Don’t get me started on that. The type chart has been a mess for 20+ years now and shows no signs of changing any time soon thanks to Gamefreak trying to be “thematic” above logical. See: Grass and Bug being resisted by and weak to half the chart or pebbles being the ultimate weapon.
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Aug 1, 2020 02:54
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Man it's kinda surprising seeing Hoenn so disliked, I always considered it to be a pretty good region overall. Hell I'd say that it's the best Region in terms of game design and progression until the post-Lilycove water areas. I'll admit that that's one hell of a caveat though, since that's basically like 1/5th of the game. I definitely think that the water routes could've been much more interesting though, there's some very minor differences between some of the water routes but it's all very minute and the big issue is that you just get an endless stream of tentacool and wingull. It's not like there wasn't ways they could've diversified it either; the areas around Mossdeep and Shoal Cave could have incorporated ice floes and whatever considering it's close to the only ice area in the region, the area around Pacifidlog is ostensibly above a Corsola colony despite Corsola not being available there at all. It's insane that between Diving and Surfing you can literally only find 5 different mons, split 2/3, no matter where you are bar Spheal showing up around Shoal Cave. I'm pretty sure that there's like, at least triple that amount available through Fishing, why weren't some of those encounters just moved to the Diving/Surfing encounters to diversify those?
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Aug 1, 2020 02:56
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Chieves posted:The quality jump between same-hardware generations (1-2, 4-5, and 6-7) was astounding, so hopefully the jump from 8 to 9 will be just as substantial? I hope so but I find it hard to believe since SwSh's issues aren't connected with a lack of knowledge of the system of choice. They are partly, but SwSh were much more heavily affected by terrible development times and a clear idea to get as much cash as possible out of the player (without making several more games as is Game Freak's usual way). The former can be mitigated by already knowing the system and having a base already, the latter is only likely to get worse.
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Aug 1, 2020 03:15
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Scholtz posted:Are you saying X and Y are the 2nd best pokemon games? Because the drop off in quality from Gen V to Gen VI is the steepest the series has seen. Thinking about it after you phrased the question this way, it's my second favorite. That doesn't necessarily make it the 2nd best, but I really enjoyed X/Y. Out of the modern games X/Y is my favorite. Everything after B2/W2 was a step down but so was everything before. IIRC, Platinum was slower which hurt it. HG and SS were my 2nd favorite of the GBA/DS era. The post game in X/Y was decent enough and the online was better than previous gens. X/Y's online helped fill the void of less post game than B2/W2. I'm nowhere near a competitive player so I can understand my opinions being much different than others in this thread.
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Aug 1, 2020 05:36
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Actually speaking of a new game I’m guessing the dlc fills the space of a release this year?
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USUM is easily my favorite entry in the series. I also liked XY, though couldn't go back to it now after experiencing the QL that's not having HM's. I didn't care for BW all that much from what I remember. Avalerion fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Aug 1, 2020 |
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Aug 1, 2020 07:05
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Avalerion posted:USUM is easily my favorite entry in the series. I also liked XY, though couldn't go back to it now after experiencing the QL that's not having HM's. Black and White had one of the best stories and some of the most compelling characters but a lot of areas were very lackluster. Don't get me started on Black city and what a drag that was if you didn't have a collection of steady internet buddies.
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Aug 1, 2020 07:52
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Personally I found N was too much like an "original character do not steal" fangame character. And I didn't vibe with the pokedex being only new monsters.
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Aug 1, 2020 08:01
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Actually speaking of a new game I’m guessing the dlc fills the space of a release this year? Possibly, seems we get the DLC instead of something like Ultra Sun/Moon. If there was a full game coming out this year they probably would’ve announced it already.
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Aug 1, 2020 08:34
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HGSS had probably the best aesthetics and area design in the series, but god did it need a level/mon availability/trainer roster rebalance. In another world it's an utterly flawless game.
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Aug 1, 2020 09:07
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Kite Pride Worldwide posted:HGSS had probably the best aesthetics and area design in the series, but god did it need a level/mon availability/trainer roster rebalance. In another world it's an utterly flawless game. Yeah that’s from the original games but it’s really dumb that they didn’t change it. I recommend playing with a team of 3 or 4, a full team of 6 will leave you severely underleveled.
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Aug 1, 2020 09:22
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Do you think once we get remakes all the way to gen 6/7 they'll start over again with Red and Blue? See, there's a lot of good and bad with the old games but I'm just curious if any of you think this can be addressed by just re-releasing with updated graphics, level curve, encounter rates etc. I'm not personally banking on it but it's an interesting thought. Also Hoenn despite it's flaws is still my favorite region to this very day. Although weirdly enough Galar/Alola are tied for having my favorite characters.
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Aug 1, 2020 09:46
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Avalerion posted:Personally I found N was too much like an "original character do not steal" fangame character. And I didn't vibe with the pokedex being only new monsters. See, I found the opposite: N was a good anti-villain manchild even with his occasional dips into fanfiction-tropes because his delusions were acknowledged as being deliberately fostered by the real villain. As for the all new monsters, I found that to be one of the best moves possible. We finally traveled to an entirely new area of the world. We had to adapt to a brand new land with all new Pokémon without any of our old reliable crutches. It made Unova seem much more fleshed out as a place. More to the point, it forces the player to get out of their comfort zone and actually grow in a new adventure. Frankly, I would love to have seen it happen again, but I know that the Dexit crowd would march with torches and pitchforks if that were to happen.
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Aug 1, 2020 10:28
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Geostomp posted:Frankly, I would love to have seen it happen again, but I know that the Dexit crowd would march with torches and pitchforks if that were to happen. Hey, you know what you could do in post game BW that you explicitly can't in SWSH? Transfer all previous mons into the game. I know people that were upset by the all new mons thing when BW came out, but would have preferred SWSH to be the same over what we got.
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Aug 1, 2020 12:23
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Flopsy posted:Do you think once we get remakes all the way to gen 6/7 they'll start over again with Red and Blue? They seem to be using the justification always of needing all the games on a recent enough platform for transfer reasons. Like I have a Kyogre from the GBA games but I’m assuming most people are expected to get it from the 3DS. but also I think Pokémon let’s go Eevee was already that second remake for RBY. I dunno if they’re moving away from that and just trying to do stuff like USUM or the upcoming dlc to say “it’s all in one game go”
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Aug 1, 2020 16:11
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Framboise posted:I thought B2/W2 was a waste of time and an unnecessary sequel. B/W was the high point of the series imo. How can you possibly have things so breathtakingly backwards BW2 had everything BW had but also... - a bigger map - pokestar studios - the world tournament - the tree/skyscraper dungeon - join avenue
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Aug 1, 2020 16:40
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B/W would be way better if they didn't have just an absolutely hosed level curve for evolutions with all the new mons and if the game wasn't so goddamn stingy about handing you new stuff. Like a third of the dex is locked until after the eighth gym! Its insane! It somehow falls into the same trap G/S/C did with backloading new Pokemon despite an entirely new slate of them. Also it had 156 pokemon compared to Red/Blue's 151 but it also had triple the number of legendaries which cut down its normal roster substantially. It also introduced the idea of events TMs and event regular pokemon which thankfully they walked back real loving quick. The best games in the series are the ones with good Pokemon availability. Sun/Moon, Platinum, B2/W2, and X/Y. 
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Aug 1, 2020 16:54
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Also B/W's starters were boring.
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Aug 1, 2020 16:58
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for real Hydreigon evolving at 64 and Volcarona at 59 are actual crimes. its even more hosed that they have so many illegally low level ones for NPCs, let me use my dumb tank dragon and sun moth in the main game you assholes 
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Aug 1, 2020 17:02
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Avalerion posted:Personally I found N was too much like an "original character do not steal" fangame character. And I didn't vibe with the pokedex being only new monsters. I strongly prefer 'new monsters only until postgame' to either "Xth game in a row with rattata and pidgey in Route 1" or "only half the pokemon in the game" approaches.
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Aug 1, 2020 17:05
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Hammerite posted:How can you possibly have things so breathtakingly backwards B2W2 also had no story, pretty much every new area was terrible, really bad pacing, and overall just felt like a bad step backwards in every way but the Pokedex. And sadly, the franchise never recovered from those steps backwards, beyond SM at least bringing story back only to drop it afterwards.
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Aug 1, 2020 17:23
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Pokken Tournament DX seems pretty good... I am having a fun time playing it for free right now. Is it worth buying? I’m wrecking single player but it seems pretty easy so far (I’m about to finish up C rank) but I played one battle online and it was pretty tough and ended up being a close match. Is there still a pretty good player base in this game? Is it worth getting the DLC, too?
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Aug 1, 2020 17:26
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I love the idea of a region with only regional Pokémon to catch, but then they filled that region with variations of Zubat, Rattata and Geodude. The issue wasn't that Zubat wasn't cool enough.
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Aug 1, 2020 17:37
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Hammerite posted:How can you possibly have things so breathtakingly backwards - mandatory HM usage
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Aug 1, 2020 18:19
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I hate that USM cut out the best parts of SM "What's that? New worlds for Ultra Beasts? Are we going to see them in Anabel and Looker's quest? ...No? It's just a tedious minigame with a random chance to actually go where you want?"
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Aug 1, 2020 18:32
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I missed out on Gen 5 because Gen 4 burned me so badly. Ugly, boring world design, terrible Pokemon distribution (lol at having a fire type E4 member in a region with only three fire types), and somehow the worst hardware performance I've ever seen on the DS.
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Aug 1, 2020 18:44
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low key, what I'm most disappointed about with not having all Pokemon in Sw/Sh is not being able to get the Galar Champion Ribbon for my older Pokemon. I'd always do an Elite 4 run with my team from previous games so I have some that have champion ribbons from og Ruby/Sapphire onward.
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Aug 1, 2020 18:46
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:They seem to be using the justification always of needing all the games on a recent enough platform for transfer reasons. Like I have a Kyogre from the GBA games but I’m assuming most people are expected to get it from the 3DS. Yeah but I get the feeling they're always going to go back and remake red and blue just because they're banking on nostalgia. I'll be real with ya I'm not looking forward to it that much. They're my least favorite region and games but if it means gen two and up get some attention I can deal with it.
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Aug 1, 2020 18:48
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pospysyl posted:I missed out on Gen 5 because Gen 4 burned me so badly. Ugly, boring world design, terrible Pokemon distribution (lol at having a fire type E4 member in a region with only three fire types), and somehow the worst hardware performance I've ever seen on the DS. At one point I went back and played Pearl to try and get some mons to transfer into Black and I actually became quickly infuriated by how loving SLOW the battle times were. Like holy poo poo it takes several seconds for any action to take place and the text practically crawls across the screen and God help you if a weather condition like hail starts up. I can't go back and play em' because I would go insane.
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Aug 1, 2020 18:51
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pospysyl posted:I missed out on Gen 5 because Gen 4 burned me so badly. Ugly, boring world design, terrible Pokemon distribution (lol at having a fire type E4 member in a region with only three fire types), and somehow the worst hardware performance I've ever seen on the DS. Sounds like you didn’t play Platinum, which fixed most of the bad things about Diamond & Pearl
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Aug 1, 2020 18:51
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platnium is the only way to play gen 4 and even then, gen 4 wasnt that great tbh definite low point of the series up until sword/shield, cant honestly say which i prefer less
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Aug 1, 2020 18:59
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I love the idea of type specialists having MOVES of the type, rather than a Pokemon of the type Means you have to plan a different strategy, because even without STAB, type effectiveness can still be dangerous
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Aug 1, 2020 19:04
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I agree with the above post that if the level curve had been balanced, HGSS would be the greatest Pokémon game It’s still really drat good off the strength of the GB Sounds
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Aug 1, 2020 19:05
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Flopsy posted:Yeah but I get the feeling they're always going to go back and remake red and blue just because they're banking on nostalgia. I'll be real with ya I'm not looking forward to it that much. They're my least favorite region and games but if it means gen two and up get some attention I can deal with it. Remaking Red and Blue again so soon would be kind of annoying after Let's Go. I wish they would make a game set after Red/Blue + Gold/Silver but have it set in Johto + Kanto. I'm tempted to get the DLC for Sw/Sh. Do people here think it's worth it? It's either that or I'm going to finally get Let's Go Pikachu. Can you get a surfing Pikachu in Let's Go? Also, I really miss being able to play every main Pokemon game on the 3ds. I loved that system as a Pokemon machine but never want to look at my total playtime for the series on it.
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Spacebump posted:I'm tempted to get the DLC for Sw/Sh. Do people here think it's worth it? Afaik it's literally just a new wild area and raids. 
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Aug 1, 2020 19:30
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Avalerion posted:Afaik it's literally just a new wild area and raids. It has its own story that includes getting a new legendary Pokémon that you can evolve into one of two formes. There are also a bunch of new items including TR’s, clothing and accessories and you get to catch a bunch of Pokémon that weren’t in the base game. There’s a lot to it.
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Carlosologist posted:I agree with the above post that if the level curve had been balanced, HGSS would be the greatest Pokémon game I kinda wish there was more of that with SWSH. In Johto I felt like a plucky youngster going up against people better or equal to me in strength, barely scraping by with strategy and luck. In Galar I feel like a loving supervillain. Nobody can stop me. It got to the point where I was deliberately avoiding wild Pokémon to keep my team underpowered but not only did it not work but it's like the direct opposite what Pokémon is about.
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