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Eric the Mauve posted:Do you mind telling us more of what happened last time you took a counter offer (or linking to it if you already posted about it in the past)? I'm curious, and more than that, it's always helpful to have such stories to point to when people periodically come into here or the Negotiation Thread and argue about why Yes feed me stories of lovely management. I crave them. Also I'm back to work this week after a nice 6 week or so unemployment period after getting laid off from a place that filled me with rage daily
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Shugojin posted:Also I'm back to work this week after a nice 6 week or so unemployment period after getting laid off from a place that filled me with rage daily Nice, now you can fully appreciate how much getting laid off was a good thing (hard to do when the anxiety of unemployment is overriding it).
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Che Delilas posted:Nice, now you can fully appreciate how much getting laid off was a good thing (hard to do when the anxiety of unemployment is overriding it). Punchline: He was rehired by the rage-place.  'E: Crosspost from the comics thread... 
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Sundae posted:Punchline: He was rehired by the rage-place. I would literally rather die than go back to work for a man I know gaslights employees
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Shugojin posted:I would literally rather die than go back to work for a man I know gaslights employees Like I tell scam callers, if your choice is between doing this and living under a bridge, go check out the bridge, the people there might be nice.
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Sundae posted:Punchline: He was rehired by the rage-place. Reminds me of getting back from Afghanistan to my civilian job and calling the professor "sir" on a ward round 
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My SIL has an interview today for a role that hopefully gets her out of retail and into an office, also local to family and us if/when things go back to non-plague. BIL is in the running for a temp to perm role that hopefully gets him out of unemployment after a layoff just before COVID and back into his medical tech field, within hopefully doable commute distance once they do move back. Please spare a moment so that they may soon be able to join us complaining about corporate life vs. single income retail life
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May the pay rise up to meet you. May the manager always have your back. May the coffee stay warm within your cup, The quarterly reports soft upon your desk, And until we meet again May HR hold you in the palm of their hand. -Traditional Corporate Blessing, origins unknown
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Counter-offers don't always have to go bad, my wife took hers. Got a comparable pay increase and WFH prior to the pandemic. It actually pushed her company to build more infrastructure for WFH... So, kind of the kick in the butt they needed, IMO. Not much QoL increase, but there was a temporary respite from being overworked. Made the point clear she likes her job and coworkers, but will walk if they can't keep the projects under control.
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Vaporware posted:Counter-offers don't always have to go bad, my wife took hers. Really the exception to the rule Just Google "counter offer laid off two months" (without quotations) Seriously.
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HiroProtagonist posted:Really the exception to the rule Its telling that most of the top links are about severance packages.
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Tnuctip posted:Its telling that most of the top links are about severance packages. Because when you're laid off you can give a counter offer on the severance package you're offered.
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Tnuctip posted:Its telling that most of the top links are about severance packages. Hmm, personalized search history is obviously at work here, only one or two of the first page of results involve negotiating severance packages; for me, most (including the top result) are all things like "top ten reasons not to accept a job counter offer" type things. But yeah, I guess you can counter offer severance packages, but counter offers concerning employment prospects, they're essentially just the visible product of mental calculus along the lines of "will it cost me more money and/or time in the short term to replace this person than to give them a fat raise and spend the next two months searching for their replacement without having to crunch"
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Is a boss saying "remember, %IT training module provider% should be done in your spare time" basically carte blanche to train exclusively on downtime at work?
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Until they tell you otherwise.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Do you mind telling us more of what happened last time you took a counter offer (or linking to it if you already posted about it in the past)? I'm curious, and more than that, it's always helpful to have such stories to point to when people periodically come into here or the Negotiation Thread and argue about why The manager who convinced me to stay was laid off three months later, is still a reference for me so that sorta paid off. Spent another two years just dealing with increasing piles of crap until I burned out and swapped to another group, which took 5 months because they couldn't find someone to do all the things I did. New group was fine for about 3 months until my new supervisor left, I was then told I was reassigned to a group I didn't really want to work in. Did that for a bit but was really not what I wanted and kept getting more additional tasks added to what I do, all of them things I really don't want to do and increasingly outside my job description. Meanwhile my peers with the same title and often less experience or education (In other groups not mine) were getting leadership roles and none of the extra duties. When I inquired about other openings in the department (that I would have liked more) I was told they liked me in my current position at this time and we could revisit this at a later date. When I asked about having the extra duties moved elsewhere I was told no one else was available to take the work. After a year of this tried to apply to same place as where I declined years earlier (only other option in town), found out from a friend who worked at their HR that I was black balled and my resume was dead on arrival no matter what also found out that there were about 5 of us at my now former employer in the same boat. After all of this I started looking outside the area and found the next gig. its bitter sweet since I am getting out of my poo poo job but I will be leaving my friends outside of work and be further from family here. Mercifully I have a good friend coming with me so I wont be completely starting over with life outside of work. TL;DR Job I stayed at put me on a poo poo list, Job I backed out of put me on a poo poo list. Counter Offers: Not even once!
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Your old job had (career) years to make you happy. Assuming you have regular 1:1 with your boss and regular evaluations. I was going to say the exception would be a big pay bump, because new people always make more, and internal transfers always make existing salary plus % hike I know a coworker that if she were a new hire would make a bank, but because she started as a peon, only gets percentage bumps which Maker's her take years to get what she should get now. Politics/ he / sun spots are the excuse why they can't give her a bump now. All of a sudden, the roadblocks dissapear when you are leaving? While possible, it's the company treating you like an rear end in a top hat.
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Roundboy posted:Your old job had (career) years to make you happy. Assuming you have regular 1:1 with your boss and regular evaluations. I was going to say the exception would be a big pay bump, because new people always make more, and internal transfers always make existing salary plus % hike The major advantage of this move for me is the area is much more populated with my field so I should be able to play the job hop game for awhile.
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threelemmings posted:May the pay rise up to meet you. Third thought: And may you have three weeks on the new job before the honeymoon period gets hit with a grenade. First thought: My favorite actor reading/interpretation of this is from Crossfire Trail. PhantomOfTheCopier fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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I work in a community services program team of four people. There's myself and one person in this area, and two others in a town three hours away. Our team lead/manager is the organisation's specialist clinical manager who not only oversees our program, but also manages the clinical teams so she's got about 30 direct reports. She is based in an office about 45mins away and since I started in this role nine months ago I've seen her in person about half a dozen times. My coworker gave her notice two weeks ago, and I've heard nothing from my team leader about what the plan is going to be moving forward. As today is my coworker's last day, the manager just hosted a last minute Teams meeting to wish my coworker well. Then she asked me in the meeting whether I thought that she needed to hire someone to replace my coworker. Am I wrong that my reaction was a bit  ? I'd assumed that since my coworker gave her notice two weeks ago that in the meantime my manager would have made a decision on how to proceed. But in the meeting my manager was pressing me to make a decision right that minute on whether we needed to replace my coworker and I'd given that zero thought because I'd assumed that it wasn't going to be up to me.
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bee posted:I work in a community services program team of four people. There's myself and one person in this area, and two others in a town three hours away. Our team lead/manager is the organisation's specialist clinical manager who not only oversees our program, but also manages the clinical teams so she's got about 30 direct reports. She is based in an office about 45mins away and since I started in this role nine months ago I've seen her in person about half a dozen times. Definitely a weird reaction, but it sounds more like she either doesn't know what your team does, or doesn't consider it a priority. The correct answer is "yes" of course unless you actually wanted more work.
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Was the co-worker that was leaving still in the meeting at the time? Because I'm smh at the idea that this poor woman is on this conference call and their soon to be ex boss asks everyone if they need to actually be replaced and everyone's like "ehhh". The brutality of your co-workers not even being sure if you are worth replacing must be a kick in the teeth on your last day.
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poo poo, I hadn't even considered that angle. Yeah, she was still on the call. She was only part time hours while I'm full time, so I think my boss was maybe angling for an answer as to whether I could handle her workload as well as mine. The answer is no, I don't want to do more work 
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Oh, well not replacing a part timer right now doesn't seem that odd, and asking a team members honest opinion seems ok. Super loving weird asking that on a zoom call in front of a person though.
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Today im the guy that had to download an excel sheet, print it, get signatures, and the emailed a scan of it. Im sure too that the person on the other end will print it off.
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Also, what is this madness on linkedin with #opentowork, where people say theyre looking for new jobs publicly, while still employed? Just saw someone from my org post, and his boss (maybe lateral from his boss?) posted an actual helpful response. Dont think theyve been fired either, yet.
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Does #opentowork mean that they're actively looking, or just that they're open to being contacted by recruiters? Those seem like two different things to me.
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Thats the crazy thing, i think it means actually looking. Open to recruiters is a seperate setting on your profile. Adds a big green swoopy thing to your picture so its very obvious too.
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Tnuctip posted:Today im the guy that had to download an excel sheet, print it, get signatures, and the emailed a scan of it. Im sure too that the person on the other end will print it off. Pension Company 'we need these signed documents from you' Me 'Can I email them?' PC 'Yes' Me - takes supplied Word docs, drop in scanned copy of my signature, convert to pdf (add security), email PC - 'We can't accept digital signatures' Me - prints out pdf, scans as a jpg, emails to PC PC 'Thank you' Me - thinks of this thread.
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Roundboy posted:Your old job had (career) years to make you happy. Assuming you have regular 1:1 with your boss and regular evaluations. I was going to say the exception would be a big pay bump, because new people always make more, and internal transfers always make existing salary plus % hike Situations like this are exactly why people should do one of two things: - If you want to stay at the job, negotiate a raise/position change & don't back down AT ALL or - Don't bother taking any counter-offer (because they'll likely try to screw you) In both cases, get EVERYTHING in writing before agreeing to anything, period. Never, ever, ever take anyone's word or promises on a raise/promotion unless you've got paperwork in hand & have had time to comb through it for any small print or strangely worded bullshit. It's common in a lot of companies now to make a promise, drag their feet, then absolutely gently caress over their staff, because by the time someone has considered the counter-offer or gone through the corporate red tape, the position they wanted to leave for is gone so they have to start all over again.
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Usually the strategy from Corporate’s side isn’t to convince you to turn down the other job and then immediately resume using you as usual. It’s that you caught them off guard by giving notice of your resignation, and now belatedly realizing you’re a Flight Risk, give you what you want to buy enough time to prepare for life without you. When they’re ready, they’ll fire you—usually abruptly, occasionally “soft firing” by way of jerking you around until you quit.
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quote:-if it solves a problem you have that you know others at your company have, great push it inside. Otherwise, sell it externally. Nothing in the onboarding paperwork about IP or inventions but IANAL (or American so things here are probably a bit easier here in this regard). At least I made sure not to work on the prototype on company time or equipment in case I do take it outside. The reason I went internally first is that I think building and marketing it independently would be much, much more difficult without tying it in with our existing portfolio. And I have some other things that I want to develop on my own time, this could be done on company time and with their money/people  That said, I think I'll try to reach out to the relevant product people a few times and if nobody bites, I'd try it independently. I went throug ha few of the YC lessons and they really emphasize that you just need a very light MVP and forget about "missing" features at the beginning because people might not care or want something different anyway.
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Tnuctip posted:Thats the crazy thing, i think it means actually looking. Open to recruiters is a separate setting on your profile. Adds a big green swoopy thing to your picture so its very obvious too. I don't use some silly hashtag for it, but my LinkedIn top-line summary paragraph does outright state what sorts of roles I'm interested in hearing about and where they ought to be located. Recruiters don't read anything, so it still doesn't stop me from getting crap like this one... 
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Sundae posted:I don't use some silly hashtag for it, but my LinkedIn top-line summary paragraph does outright state what sorts of roles I'm interested in hearing about and where they ought to be located. Immediately hits Unsubscribe
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In this meeting, we will discuss what customers say to themselves while waiting on hold with us.
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Moo the cow posted:Pension Company 'we need these signed documents from you' Has this been mentioned before? https://www.scanyourpdf.com/
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Sundae posted:I don't use some silly hashtag for it, but my LinkedIn top-line summary paragraph does outright state what sorts of roles I'm interested in hearing about and where they ought to be located.
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