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Aug 2, 2020 15:59
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do not buy flags from confederate joe's flag emporium
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Aug 2, 2020 16:22
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Grape posted:Some people need a little more lebensraum than others. Alan Smithee posted:Operation Barbecueroasta
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Re: boogs, I had a very excited boog boy, maybe 20 or so, come through my Subway on the way to the Austin protest last night. No mask but the first thing he did was apologize for being awkward because of his sweet flak vest and gloves, then ask if I knew what the boogaloo boys were and stage whisper "I'm with them!" As far as I could tell he wasn't openly armed. He was very clear that he wasn't a white nationalist and none of his friends were and that white supremacists were dumb, was pumped to talk about the class struggle and how the welfare state has created a permanent underclass and then not given them enough to survive, and declared that cops were the enemy of everyone and must be destroyed. Denied that racism was the core issue but if I'd spent about two more minutes explaining why weed is illegal and gun laws are so inconsistent he might have gotten the point. Surprisingly coherent for a boog, definitely libertarian and not alt-right, and probably could be swayed pretty quickly. I guess even some of the dumb kids are okay.
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TheKennedys posted:Re: boogs, I had a very excited boog boy, maybe 20 or so, come through my Subway on the way to the Austin protest last night. No mask but the first thing he did was apologize for being awkward because of his sweet flak vest and gloves, then ask if I knew what the boogaloo boys were and stage whisper "I'm with them!" As far as I could tell he wasn't openly armed. If they're young enough, I feel like it might be a transitional phase like libertarianism was for 90s/2000s teens who eventually wised up.
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boogs at least have an aesthetic that isnt dominated by creepy old dudes when you get out there in person as opposed to most of the hardcore WN folks. i suspect a lot of them can be brought around.
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Aug 2, 2020 18:11
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time to stand up a boogie boy to bernie bro pipeline. someone start the wiki?
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Are the boogaloos as stupid about opsec and getting infiltrated as the regular nazis? Like most right wing organizations, they consist of people coddled so much by the reigning system that they can't comprehend that if they show up armed and threatening to fight cops that the cops might shoot back
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Aug 2, 2020 18:46
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boogaloos thought that 'big igloo' was some amazing form of backmasking so i'm going to suggest that we aren't exactly dealing with the brightest bulbs in the box
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Aug 2, 2020 18:49
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Aug 2, 2020 18:54
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https://twitter.com/n8thecre8tive/status/1290016695197687809?s=10 anyone else keeping up with this?
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Aug 2, 2020 21:54
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If alt-righters sunk Patreon, they are going to make more enemies than friends. Artists and people who use that site aren’t going to get 100% of their monthly subscriptions back because not all of their audience is going to make the jump to Subscribestar or whatever place they go.
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Sir Tonk posted:https://twitter.com/n8thecre8tive/status/1290016695197687809?s=10 DesertIslandHermit posted:If alt-righters sunk Patreon, they are going to make more enemies than friends. It is mostly crap, iirc. Patreon got a lawsuit from a bunch of followers of a podcaster or something that was banned. Patreon thought they were in the clear since arbitration clauses were in place so they were not prepared when 100+ fans filed for the arbitration. Patreon then tried to get all the arbitration claims wrapped up into a class action lawsuit and that was denied. Due to the way the arbitration agreements we written (or possibly california law) Patreon is on the hook for the arbitration fees and they are doing their best to squirm out of that.
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Aug 2, 2020 22:03
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Best case scenario would be companies no longer including forced arbitration clauses, but i know that won't happen.
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Aug 2, 2020 22:07
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It's some dumb counter-counter-counter sue magic law nonsense. They think they can bankrupt patreon if they all try to sue them. It's going to end with patreon coming out on top and these idiots with nothing to show for it.
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Aug 2, 2020 22:07
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Sir Tonk posted:https://twitter.com/n8thecre8tive/status/1290016695197687809?s=10 Owen Benjamin rounded up about 100 people who volunteered to be represented by Marc Randazza and individually demand arbitration with Patreon for tortious interference (alleging that Patreon banned Owen specifically to damage his contractual obligations between him and his individual fans, and not for any other reason). About 72 of them followed through, and Patreon counter-sued them, saying that it should be a class-action suit instead of 72 individual arbitrations, but the court disagreed with their request for a preliminary injunction. The main problem Patreon will have is that it has to front the costs for all these identical arbitrations due to California law; the whole "tortious interference" thing is a crock of poo poo, but Benjamin and Randazza just want to use vexatious litigation to blow up Patreon
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Aug 2, 2020 22:08
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The Chairman posted:The main problem Patreon will have is that it has to front the costs for all these identical arbitrations due to California law The figure I saw was 10K minimum per arbitration but I smoke a lot of grass and oh lord, I've popped a lot of pills
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Aug 2, 2020 22:10
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uncurable mlady posted:boogaloos thought that 'big igloo' was some amazing form of backmasking so i'm going to suggest that we aren't exactly dealing with the brightest bulbs in the box Big luau eh, eh, nudge nudge wink wink
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Aug 2, 2020 22:22
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Continuity RCP posted:Big luau eh, eh, nudge nudge wink wink “so, you’ve, uh, you’ve actually, er...done it...with a real gun? You’ve actually pulled the trigger on a real, actual gun? ... What’s it like?”
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Aug 2, 2020 22:39
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The Chairman posted:Owen Benjamin rounded up about 100 people who volunteered to be represented by Marc Randazza and individually demand arbitration with Patreon for tortious interference (alleging that Patreon banned Owen specifically to damage his contractual obligations between him and his individual fans, and not for any other reason). About 72 of them followed through, and Patreon counter-sued them, saying that it should be a class-action suit instead of 72 individual arbitrations, but the court disagreed with their request for a preliminary injunction. The main problem Patreon will have is that it has to front the costs for all these identical arbitrations due to California law; the whole "tortious interference" thing is a crock of poo poo, but Benjamin and Randazza just want to use vexatious litigation to blow up Patreon youd think this would fall under anti-slap or whatever its called, since its such an obvious example of abusing the law.
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Aug 2, 2020 22:46
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if patreon wanted the protection of slapp laws the would have not included already abusive arbitration clauses loving people over works both ways its only 75 so they will survive. none of these losers will ever have the power to round up thousands of fans do files an actually harmful amount like what happened to uber
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miniscule12 posted:It's some dumb counter-counter-counter sue magic law nonsense. They think they can bankrupt patreon if they all try to sue them. Can you get named a vexatious litigant from arbitration because it sound like a bunch of internet schemers are about to leave a huge pile of evidence laying around.
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Dmitri-9 posted:Can you get named a vexatious litigant from arbitration because it sound like a bunch of internet schemers are about to leave a huge pile of evidence laying around. The threshold for vexatious litigant status is a lot higher than one request for arbitration, it's like a pattern of years and years of filing suit against anyone who looks at you funny, or against the same person over and over
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Aug 2, 2020 23:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEngOVt3keo ianal but this guy seems to think it's at least possible, based on the terms of service, that patreon can try to recoup some of the costs if the claims are tossed by arbitraters for being frivolous. so the patrons may end up with some skin in the game if they want to proceed.
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Aug 2, 2020 23:25
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yeah i suspect that this isnt going to work out terribly well for the human wave attack. binding arbitration works both ways.
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Aug 3, 2020 00:16
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72K in arbitration fees isn't going to sink Patreon... what drugs are they on?
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Crow Buddy posted:72K in arbitration fees isn't going to sink Patreon... what drugs are they on? I thought it was $10,000 each, so $720,000?  Even so, I seriously doubt that would drain all their cash/cash equivalents.
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Aug 3, 2020 01:01
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I really doubt that less than a million dollars in BS court fees is enough to even put a noticeable dent in Patreon really.
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Aug 3, 2020 01:09
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Crow Buddy posted:72K in arbitration fees isn't going to sink Patreon... what drugs are they on? they want their cake and eat it too
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The Chairman posted:Owen Benjamin rounded up about 100 people who volunteered to be represented by Marc Randazza and individually demand arbitration with Patreon for tortious interference (alleging that Patreon banned Owen specifically to damage his contractual obligations between him and his individual fans, and not for any other reason). About 72 of them followed through, and Patreon counter-sued them, saying that it should be a class-action suit instead of 72 individual arbitrations, but the court disagreed with their request for a preliminary injunction. The main problem Patreon will have is that it has to front the costs for all these identical arbitrations due to California law; the whole "tortious interference" thing is a crock of poo poo, but Benjamin and Randazza just want to use vexatious litigation to blow up Patreon Randazza is such a dumb rear end in a top hat
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Aug 3, 2020 02:39
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Patreon already noticed and fixed the loophole in their TOS so no other chuds can do this. the issue is that they fixed it too late for the Benjaminites
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Aug 3, 2020 03:49
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brugroffil posted:Randazza is such a dumb rear end in a top hat Who the hell is that, exactly? Just another whiny podcaster ranting about SJWs taking over the media or someone significant?
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Aug 3, 2020 04:05
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even if patreon goes under somehow there’s many alternatives. its the payment processors/banks that are the real problem for these types
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Aug 3, 2020 05:16
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DesertIslandHermit posted:Who the hell is that, exactly? Just another whiny podcaster ranting about SJWs taking over the media or someone significant?
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Horseshoe theory posted:I thought it was $10,000 each, so $720,000? lol, i made the same mistake. apparently i can't do math
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Arivia posted:No, Randazza is the lovely lawyer to all the lovely podcasters. Was also doing lovely law for porn firms if I remember correctly. Can't be as lovely as that Beard guy that handled the Vic case. The greatest comedy of errors.
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Gringostar posted:girth of a nation 
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