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s*x n*mb*r 69 0.22%
w@@d n_mb_r 420 1.34%
Jeb! number 538 1.72%
Biden numbr 30330 96.72%
Total: 31357 votes
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RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

Taintrunner posted:



Jesus Christ President Howie is swole af

ripping police/military budget bills the size of phone books.

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Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Taintrunner posted:

he's a semi-popular breadtuber scold for biden, who is literally wrong about everything but is too overcompetent and hyped off fake internet fame to ever wonder if anything that's ever come out of their mouth isn't absolute bullshit



What the gently caress is a "breadtuber"?

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Tom Guycot posted:

What the gently caress is a "breadtuber"?

Leftist usually anarchist of some flavor youtuber.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Victory Position posted:

you know this guy has been churning these out, right? nonstop

https://twitter.com/randyrainbow/status/1280151398215225344

...I don't even think The Capitol Steps could tolerate this guy for long.

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

lmao obama sucks so bad

https://nypost.com/2020/08/03/obama-omits-aocs-name-while-endorsing-new-york-democrats/

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011


Obama: "iPhone iPhone in my hand, who is the fairest in the land?"

iPhone: "My King, you are the fairest here so true. But AOC is a thousand times more popular than you."

Obama: :argh:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Taintrunner posted:

Jesus Christ President Howie is swole af

so what you're saying is he could definitely beat Biden and Trump in a push-up contest


looking at the full list, Obama endorsed John Hickenlooper, Josh Gottheimer, and Abigail Spanberger

loving Obama

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

sup, succers? did y'all see this newsweek piece?

quote:

Supporters Urge Joe Biden to Not Debate Trump, Applaud Hosts for Canceling Over COVID-19 Concerns

Democratic strategists and supporters of Vice President Joey the Creep are urging him not to debate President Donald Trump in the lead-up to Election Day, citing Trump's publicity stunts and disregard for the rules in 2016. Meanwhile Biden backers, including some conservatives, applauded the University of Notre Dame and the University of Michigan for cancelling their scheduled debates over COVID-19 concerns.

Former White House Press Secretary Joe Lockhart joined several Democratic Party strategists in bluntly advising Biden, "whatever you do, don't debate Trump." Speaking on CNN Saturday, Lockhart said Trump shouldn't be given another platform which will enable him to "repeat lies," which he said occurred in the 2016 debates against Hillary Clinton.

The Trump campaign has pushed the other way and urged the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates, which officially oversees the events, to hold even more debates.

"We saw in the debates in 2016 Hillary Clinton showed a mastery of the issues, every point she made was more honest and bested Trump," Lockhart told CNN. "But Trump came out of the debates doing better I think because he just kept repeating the same old lies: 'we're going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it,' 'we're going to keep all those Mexican rapists out of the country,' and 'we're going to make great trade deals' — none of these things have come to pass."

"Giving him that national forum to continue to spout — get him to 21,000 or 22,000 lies — I think just isn't worth it for the Democrats or for Biden," Lockhart continued.

Several opinion columns published in recent months have called for an outright cancellation of the debates, describing them — alongside the party conventions — as outdated political rituals designed purely for TV ratings.

Longtime Democratic strategist and former Hillary Clinton senior adviser Zac Petkanas agreed with calls for Biden to back out of any and all debates with Trump in the coming months. As it stands currently, there are three presidential debates and one vice presidential debate scheduled between September 29 and October 22.

"Biden shouldn't feel obligated to throw Trump a lifeline by granting him any debates at all. This is not a normal presidential election and Trump is not a legitimate candidate," Petkanas tweeted last week, expressing his "opinion that no one asked for."

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

bold strategy that certainly doesn't make them look like elitist snobs or cowards

also its impossible for me to see Newsweek without thinking this

Bootleg Trunks has issued a correction as of 07:07 on Aug 4, 2020

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Taintrunner posted:



Jesus Christ President Howie is swole af
he's a teamster who works at UPS so every day he's getting swole from lifting heavy packages

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 07:07 on Aug 4, 2020

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Willa Rogers posted:

sup, succers? did y'all see this newsweek piece?

They know. They know and they did it anyway.

Christ almighty.

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china
trump is not a legitimate candidate lmao , cowards

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

Willa Rogers posted:

sup, succers? did y'all see this newsweek piece?

Yes. Trump won’t call him a coward and debate a cardboard cut out of him if Biden hides from debates. Easiest layup they could give to Trump.

Before Democrats were saying Trump wouldn’t debate Biden out of fear of him

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
trump has no answer for this. he

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





fair enough but that cuts both ways and this dude (and his viewership) hate MLs more than they hate liberals and fascists, and it's not even close

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Reality Protester posted:

trump has no answer for this. he


lol minority leader pelosi

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



trump is gonna be cutting ads in october like "is joe biden still alive? i haven't seen him. if he was still alive he'd be at the debate. has anyone seen him in the same room as another person? how do we know the joe biden giving prerecorded speeches over the phone isn't a guy in a mask with a voice changer? is america really ready to elect a dead president?

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Shear Modulus posted:

trump is gonna be cutting ads in october like "is joe biden still alive? i haven't seen him. if he was still alive he'd be at the debate. has anyone seen him in the same room as another person? how do we know the joe biden giving prerecorded speeches over the phone isn't a guy in a mask with a voice changer? is america really ready to elect a dead president?
More and more people are saying this

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
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Taintrunner posted:

Hahahah this sucks lmao



Joe Biden is literally every one of the things he just listed here

https://twitter.com/anarchopac/status/1290554130734501888

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

Ok, goddamn it you assholes. FINE! I dug out my kindle and will read some theory, probably.

What should I read?

(and please, please don't recommend dense impenetrable texts)

e: I may have posted this in the wrong thread. still keeping it though.

ryanrs has issued a correction as of 08:56 on Aug 4, 2020

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


nazi bad capitalism bad

theres ur theory :smug:

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

ok cool!

back to reading about AR-15 care and maintenance

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
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ryanrs posted:

Ok, goddamn it you assholes. FINE! I dug out my kindle and will read some theory, probably.

What should I read?

(and please, please don't recommend dense impenetrable texts)

e: I may have posted this in the wrong thread. still keeping it though.

quote:

ScootsMcSkirt posted:

Does anyone have a good primer to socialist literature handy? Im in lockdown with my sister's husband who describes himself as "socially liberal but fiscally conservative". Ive been radicalizing him while we smoke weed but id like to point to some books that can further his radicalization. I would also like to work on my own understanding of labor theory and rhetoric

These were my recommendations when I was picking out books I'd read from ebook website Scribd. Not a lot of the classical Marxist literature on the list below - I can throw out some recs on that too if you'd like, but I was specifically aiming to not really get into those in the spirit of promoting "more readable" contemporary work.

quote:

in deliberate order of what I'd most highly recommend first:

"Contradictions of Capitalism: An Introduction to Marxist Economics" by Lenny Flank is a great introduction to Marxist economics. It's a little critical of the Soviet Union/Marxism-Leninism at the very end, but the first three-quarters of the book is excellent as far as the sort of thing that you might get from Das Kapital in a much more digestible form.

"A People's History of the Russian Revolution" by Neil Faulkner to get a good history of that. You can follow it up with "Rise and Fall of the Leninist State: A Marxist History of the Soviet Union" by Lenny Flank if you want to keep going.

"Liberalism: A Counter-History" by Domenico Losurdo if you want an explicit breakdown of why liberalism is a morally bankrupt ideology.

"Why Minsky Matters" by L Randall Wray for a post-Keynesian treatise on modern economics by the same people behind Modern Monetary Theory, basing their work from one of the few people who predicted 2008.

"Alternatives to Capitalism: Proposals for a Democratic Economy" by Robin Hahnel for a long discussion on an alternative economic system.

"The Origins of Capitalism" by Ellen Meiksins Wood to get a good picture on how Capitalism actually developed historically (and how Capitalism is not just "people trading stuff")

"Unspeakable" and "America: The Farewell Tour" by Chris Hedges to see how the USA has been on the road to implosion for a long time now. This may give you sadbrains - it did for me.

"Maoism and the Chinese Revolution: A Critical Introduction" by Elliott Liu if you want a backgrounder on the PRC.

"Late Victorian Holocausts" by Mike Davis if you want to know about how colonialism and imperialism has been loving over the Global South since forever.

"The City: London and the Global Power of Finance" by Tony Norfield and "Fictitious Capital" by Cedric Durand if you want to know about how financialization has transformed the economy (for the worse), which is relevant to how we got to our current market-crashing moment.

"My First Days in the White House" by Huey Long if you want Bernie Would Have Won fanfiction

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if you're not completely crack-pinged by the end of all these there's no deprogramming you

I wrote that back in March.

Other books I've read since then that I'd recommend:

"Creating Russophobia: From the Great Religious Schism to Anti-Putin Hysteria" by Guy Mettan - this is a good look into the long-term historical and political context behind Russiagate

"Listen Liberal" by Thomas Frank - this is a good single-source examination on what exactly happened to the Democratic party over the last 30-40 years such that we are where we are now.

"The Color of Law" by Richard Rothstein - this is a historical account of how the American real-estate housing market has developed in a way that reinforces and reifies anti-black racism, such that the benefits of the New Deal were mostly cordoned-off from African-Americans.

"Blood Lies: The Evidence That Every Accusation Against Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union is False" by Grover Furr - I only include this because it is essentially a long-form refutation of the work of Timothy Snyder, a so-called historian that first gained fame with "Bloodlands", a work which equates the Holodomor and Stalin's regime as being just-as-bad as Hitler. This is of course a form of Holocaust denial by equivocation, and is relevant because Snyder has been a guest on Rachel Maddow multiple times and has since been referred to as an expert on "authoritarianism" in the context of #resisting Trump, but also while playing into Russiagate tropes, since his other prime example of authoritarianism is, of course, Vladimir Putin. If you find that interesting, then I also mentioned Domenico Losurdo's "Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend" earlier in the thread, which goes further into this topic of Reductio ad Hitlerum, where the USSR is repeatedly and disingenuously equated with being as bad as Hitler for the purposes of ideologically programming people against communism.

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

Lol obama didnt endorse McGrath

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

Thanks a lot! I will grab these and start reading.

When I joined my local community defense org, they asked me what kind of leftist I was, and I just replied "???". Because the truth is that I'm a TFR poster that only started reading CSPAM because of the current fraught societal conditions. But I look forward to educating myself so I can more fully participate in leftist infighting.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

spacetoaster posted:

I had a lib (a real blue no matter who type) just tell me at a small lunch that Trump only won because Russia helped him. I expressed skepticism and was immediately told that the intelligence community backs that up. When I replied that I'm not sure I believe them, I was laughed at.

"What?!? You're telling me that you don't believe the entire intelligence community?!!? LOL"

I'm not sure what to do, or where I can go.

c'mon man this is real easy, even weird al is in on mocking them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CG5w4YwOI

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

ryanrs posted:

Thanks a lot! I will grab these and start reading.

When I joined my local community defense org, they asked me what kind of leftist I was, and I just replied "???". Because the truth is that I'm a TFR poster that only started reading CSPAM because of the current fraught societal conditions. But I look forward to educating myself so I can more fully participate in leftist infighting.

Tell them you're a trot, they'll think you're super cool

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

ryanrs posted:

Thanks a lot! I will grab these and start reading.

When I joined my local community defense org, they asked me what kind of leftist I was, and I just replied "???". Because the truth is that I'm a TFR poster that only started reading CSPAM because of the current fraught societal conditions. But I look forward to educating myself so I can more fully participate in leftist infighting.

Tell them you represent the JDPON

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Pretty much everyone is done with the extreme social distancing we had at the begining of the pandemic. If Biden says they can't have a debate where he is six feet from Trump I don't know how that doesn't come off as extremely weak to anyone outside the Democratic superfans, especially if he's supposed to be the guy solving the issue. Like if Target employees can get to work what's his excuse? That feels like it just leads into "Biden is too scared of covid to show up, why should you brave it to vote?" attacks very easily.

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Except it's literally the other way around, Trump doesn't want to debate Biden. Trump is the one looking weak here (but presidential debates don't matter anyways).

I suggest consuming less right-wing media.

The Joe Man
Apr 7, 2007

Flirting With Apathetic Waitresses Since 1984

Fame Douglas posted:

Except it's literally the other way around, Trump doesn't want to debate Biden. Trump is the one looking weak here (but presidential debates don't matter anyways).

I suggest consuming less right-wing media.
yeah no

trump lives for this poo poo and dunking on biden in a widely-watched debate is one of the few ways he could turn it around

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

The Joe Man posted:

yeah no

trump lives for this poo poo and dunking on biden in a widely-watched debate is one of the few ways he could turn it around

Except so far, Trump hasn't accepted the invitation. So it's literally Trump not wanting to debate Biden.

Also, Trump is terrible at any kind of debate.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Fame Douglas posted:

Except it's literally the other way around, Trump doesn't want to debate Biden. Trump is the one looking weak here (but presidential debates don't matter anyways).

I suggest consuming less right-wing media.
"Will Donald Trump chicken out of debating Hillary Clinton?
Rachel Maddow revisits the last time a Republican presidential candidate was accused of being afraid to debate his Democratic opponent, and wonders about Donald Trump's sudden, fussy concern about the 2016 debate schedule.Aug. 2, 2016"
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/will-donald-trump-chicken-out-of-debates-736382531719 <-this is you now.

The Joe Man
Apr 7, 2007

Flirting With Apathetic Waitresses Since 1984

Fame Douglas posted:

Also, Trump is terrible at any kind of debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbh2qXBMjuY

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

When trump dryhumped the chair I knew he'd win

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Fame Douglas posted:

Except so far, Trump hasn't accepted the invitation. So it's literally Trump not wanting to debate Biden.

Also, Trump is terrible at any kind of debate.

Hahahahahahaaaahahahaa this is just pathetic

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007




lmao at the moderator admonishing the crowd

nooooo you can't respond positively to trump saying he'd lock her up. we must have decorum! :qq:

Oneiros has issued a correction as of 10:53 on Aug 4, 2020

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Sedisp posted:

Leftist usually anarchist of some flavor youtuber.

Every 'breadtube' video I have ever been linked has been some anarchist idiot trying to pretend they aren't really an ancap, but wouldnt an ancap society make more sense when you think about it?

Have I just had bad luck or is that basically what breadtube consists of?

I refuse to do any actual research on this topic

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
"Breadtube" "ancap" "nazbol"

Why has political discussion become so moronic.

Taintrunner posted:

Hahahahahahaaaahahahaa this is just pathetic

Sorry the facts don't align with your feelings.

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Nix Panicus posted:

Every 'breadtube' video I have ever been linked has been some anarchist idiot trying to pretend they aren't really an ancap, but wouldnt an ancap society make more sense when you think about it?

Have I just had bad luck or is that basically what breadtube consists of?

I refuse to do any actual research on this topic

I feel like you've just had bad luck. Insofar as I've heard of some really bad "left-wing" youtubers like that guy linked earlier, and some that I've rejected of my own accord as being disagreeable, there are also a couple that I've genuinely learned some theory from, or at least have gotten book references that prompted me towards my own learning.

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