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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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JT Jag posted:I don't know much about Bass yet myself. I kinda like Duckworth, even she's a bit of a centrist. She hates the Rs with a passion, and it's pretty drat hard to swift boat her. You really think that's going to stop anyone? Liberals are always completely flummoxed by Republicans not actually caring about the things they claim to care about. (despite liberals routinely doing exactly the same thing)
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JT Jag posted:I don't know much about Bass yet myself. I kinda like Duckworth, even she's a bit of a centrist. She hates the Rs with a passion, and it's pretty drat hard to swift boat her. The lesson from swiftboating was that it's not hard to swiftboat anyone on the left.
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Aug 4, 2020 15:56
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Nucleic Acids posted:So, how’re things looking in Kentucky? In general? It's a blood red chud shithole where Trump is up by like 19 still.
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Aug 4, 2020 15:58
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JT Jag posted:I don't know much about Bass yet myself. I kinda like Duckworth, even she's a bit of a centrist. She hates the Rs with a passion, and it's pretty drat hard to swift boat her. What's hard about it? If she was such a good Blackhawk pilot she would not have gotten blown up.
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Aug 4, 2020 15:59
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Reminder that the guy who originally got swift boated had "he's a veteran, check and mate Republicans!" as one of his selling points. Trump will mockingly limp around stage in a gross pantomime of Duckworth to uproarious applause, libs will tsk at him for being undecorous, and then Trump will gain three points in the polls.
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Aug 4, 2020 16:00
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Rainbow Knight posted:i mean, it's at least a common belief. especially since class consciousness is so far removed from the conversation. I think there are two dynamics at play here: 1. The equation of racism with absolute evil. In our society, if you call someone racist you may well as call them Satan. There is no talking about cause or nuance, in the same way there is no talk about cause or nuance about pedophilia. They are crimes so severely taboo that any discussion is eliminated. And the irony of it is that everyone in America is racist to some degree; it's impossible to grow up in a white supremacist society and be unaffected by it. Even victims of racism are subject to its internalization. So what you have is an entire country that has a severe, severe racism problem that simply CANNOT talk about it. 2. Our society is so completely subsumed by Liberalism that discussion about money is also taboo, though not as much as racism. That is, our rights and values as humans are so closely tied to our net worth that any discussion transforms into either pity (for the poor) or bragging (for the wealthy). Of course, this value system was designed by those who rule it, the wealthy, and it benefits them the most. By turning money into a taboo discussion, it means that those who need help the most are suppressed by politeness. Can't buy insulin for your child? Well, stop complaining, nobody wants to hear about it. Can't afford rent? Hush, just move in with your parents while I write condescending articles in the Times. Why does Jeff Bezos have millions of times more wealth than his employees? Now you sound like a Bernie Bro, so shouty. Of course, these taboos are most readily broken by the victims. Those who suffer at the hand of racism are most willing to talk about it, and those who face evictions are its loudest opponents. And most humans are OK with that. Only the most calloused politicians would call the BLM movement "dumb". However, our society rewards self-interest and punishes empathy, so those calloused individuals naturally rise to the top. For example, look at Donald Trump. Two of the largest outcries against Trump is how gaudy and bigoted he is. More so than any other politician? Outwardly, sure. He violates these two sacred tenants of our society not from a victims perspective, but from a perpetrators. In reality, he isn't any less racist or wealthy than most presidents. He just WILL NOT SHUT UP about it, and that's what people are so upset about.
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Aug 4, 2020 16:01
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poo poo. so i tried something: i argued that she wasn't racist. i pointed out that a lot of rich white people are prejudiced against the homeless in the area. i talked to her about the idea of "white trash." i pointed out that i'm her favorite person in the store in spite of my ancestry. she understood, and i think came out of the conversation with racism being a class problem as something to ponder.
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sean10mm posted:In general? It's a blood red chud shithole where Trump is up by like 19 still. More about McGrath versus McConnell.
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Aug 4, 2020 16:29
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Nucleic Acids posted:More about McGrath versus McConnell. Yeah. General consensus is that McGrath has a shot, but it's a long one and not expected to pan out. This is still a good thing as it will presumably force RNC to spend money on that race and not others
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JT Jag posted:I don't know much about Bass yet myself. I kinda like Duckworth, even she's a bit of a centrist. She hates the Rs with a passion, and it's pretty drat hard to swift boat her. John Kerry would be a great choice, he's a troop with a silver star, no way Republicans could Swift Boat him like they did to that other guy whats-his-name
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Aug 4, 2020 16:39
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Failed Imagineer posted:The lesson from swiftboating was that it's not hard to swiftboat anyone on the left. Liberals: "We literally traveled back in time and brought Abraham Lincoln to run as our candidate! The Republicans can't possibly discredit him in any way!" Republicans: *Lie and slander the everliving poo poo out of Lincoln* Liberals: "Ah well, nevertheless!"
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Aug 4, 2020 16:40
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Reminder that the guy who originally got swift boated had "he's a veteran, check and mate Republicans!" as one of his selling points. Trump will mockingly limp around stage in a gross pantomime of Duckworth to uproarious applause, libs will tsk at him for being undecorous, and then Trump will gain three points in the polls. There won't be another enormous rally between now and November though.
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Aug 4, 2020 16:41
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PeterCat posted:What's hard about it? If she was such a good Blackhawk pilot she would not have gotten blown up. bingo they'll say she crashed because woman pilot trolololol that's why you don't have women in the military, because she did it on purpose to help her terrorist friends, because she never even served and is secretly a man hiding her botched transition surgery, etc etc poo poo the guy who is president right now attacked John McCain for being a lovely soldier who got captured, and he got elected. And John McCain was a white Republican and former nominee, Republicans don't care about respecting the troops, not even the ones who look and think like them.
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Aug 4, 2020 16:44
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I suspect the GOP is going to lie and smear poo poo with abandon no matter who the VP choice ends up, and the polls will stay as they are. There do not appear to be undecided people in this election.
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Aug 4, 2020 16:45
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How are u posted:I suspect the GOP is going to lie and smear poo poo with abandon no matter who the VP choice ends up, and the polls will stay as they are. There do not appear to be undecided people in this election. Most likely. I don't see the VP pick shifting the polls much unless they're a Palin-level disaster of a person. And while I dislike the VP options, none of them are that degree of incompetent. I think most Biden supporters just want someone of minimal competence who can take over whenever Joe's brain inevitably melts and any of the options on the table meet that low bar. Most likely we'll see a poll bump for a few days while Biden and his pick get a lot of coverage and then a reversion back to the mean.
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Aug 4, 2020 17:05
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The only VP pick that could noticeably affect the polling is Bernard Sanders. Note - there is 0% chance of that pick
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Aug 4, 2020 17:41
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Reminder that the guy who originally got swift boated had "he's a veteran, check and mate Republicans!" as one of his selling points. Trump will mockingly limp around stage in a gross pantomime of Duckworth to uproarious applause, libs will tsk at him for being undecorous, and then Trump will gain three points in the polls. This sort of poo poo does not actually cause Trump to improve in the polls. What it does do is bring him a mild amount of additional disapproval that wasn't already there, which fades in a week or so.
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Aug 4, 2020 18:01
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Failed Imagineer posted:The only VP pick that could noticeably affect the polling is Bernard Sanders. warren probably gets you a similar response, in that you'd see the NeverTrump Republicans putting out another round of "If The Democrats Keep Moving To The Left I'll Have To Vote For Trump" articles that tactfully leave the word "again" off the end of the title. it is not enough to have found an ideological home in the party; the appearance that any ideas to the left of Paul Wolfowitz will be humored by democrats must be fought to the death if they're going to pull off the takeover. all five thousand of the people on the northeast seaboard who take their political marching orders from David Brooks would proceed to have some serious soul-searching about if there really is any party for them anymore, and you'd see some disproportionate worry about that blip in the polls as a result. but only thing it'd change about the election is you'd see a lot more right wing cracks about Pocahontas over the next few months
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Aug 4, 2020 18:04
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Rigel posted:This sort of poo poo does not actually cause Trump to improve in the polls. What it does do is bring him a mild amount of additional disapproval that wasn't already there, which fades in a week or so. remember back when the sensible consensus was that the line "I like candidates who weren't captured," mocking a media-beloved Republican Veteran, was going to sink Donald Trump's campaign and in response his poll numbers went up the american people like the idea of soldiers. put one in front of them, particularly one that's been wounded, and their reaction tends towards the "icky, make it go away, I don't like to think about this."
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Aug 4, 2020 18:06
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it doesn't help trump but it doesn't help the target either, all it does is completely prove how useless the 'the republicans say they love the military, they'll be hamstrung if we nominate a vet!' idea is yet again. Donald Trump will imply Duckworth wanted to join ISIS before her plane crashed and everyone in the crowd will cheer him on.
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Aug 4, 2020 18:10
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:remember back when the sensible consensus was that the line "I like candidates who weren't captured," mocking a media-beloved Republican Veteran, was going to sink Donald Trump's campaign The context is completely different. That was well before the GOP primary fight, and got him a few chuds to sign on early on. Who the hell is he winning over now? Where are these hypothetical 3 points coming from?
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Aug 4, 2020 18:17
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Rigel posted:The context is completely different. That was well before the GOP primary fight, and got him a few chuds to sign on early on. I think the poll bump from that particular situation came from the veneer of strength. Donald Trump said something controversial, and instead of backing down like a "coward", he stayed with it. Idiots mistake stupidity for strength all the time.
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Aug 4, 2020 18:32
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Rigel posted:The context is completely different. That was well before the GOP primary fight, and got him a few chuds to sign on early on. from "this kind of poo poo does not cause trump to improve in the polls" to "okay so it did before but i figure it's different this time" the hypothetical three points in this case are from the people he has lost, and needs to get back, who like it when Trump hurts people they don't like, and are currently pissy about how his plague mismanagement is hurting them. are there that many of them? probably not, at this point, but the people whose problem with trump is "he's mean" are not a swing constituency
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Aug 4, 2020 18:52
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I think there are two dynamics at play here: its crazy re: discussions of racism because it's really easy to reach the core causes of racial injustice and animus in our country. we've had slavery. we've had red-lining. we've genocided. we've subjugated. none of this stuff is hard to grasp as bad for anyone. it get's politicized though, and suddenly if you feel bad for minorities you're a wimpy liberal. just like with face masks and everything else. so i wouldn't even call it a taboo subject at this point as much as the discussion being hamstrung by, once again, the poo poo people see on tv. gently caress that reminds me of another conversation on race, but this time with someone much more conservative. this time though, a discussion on BLM led to a discussion of the atlantic slave trade, and then to the barbary slave trade. it's crazy for people who think, "well blacks had it better as slaves! three squares and a roof over their heads!" to hear about slave trade but with white people. suddenly they aren't so bristly about people wanting equality after years of being property. gently caress. there's been a trump 2020 dude selling trump-swag on the corner by my work for the last few weeks. i'm going to go talk to him and see what he says. how is the election going anyway? 
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Aug 4, 2020 19:24
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sexpig by night posted:Donald Trump will imply Duckworth wanted to join ISIS before her plane crashed and everyone in the crowd will cheer him on. So what? Trump getting CHUD cheers won't win him poo poo. If all he does is chase the cheers of those dildos he's getting wiped out, because he needs OTHER PEOPLE to vote for him to stand a chance. His base by itself can't win him a loving thing. He got a fair amount of votes from people who weren't the hardcore MAGA groupies in 2016. In 2018, those people didn't turn out for the GOP. In 2020 they look like they're all swinging to Biden or just staying home (so far, anyway.)
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Aug 4, 2020 19:39
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:from "this kind of poo poo does not cause trump to improve in the polls" to "okay so it did before but i figure it's different this time" Your example was from way the hell back when popular opinion was that he was a joke candidate not to be taken seriously in the GOP primary, and it was the start of getting the CHUDS behind him. This poo poo doesn't gain him points anymore, because the people who would not be repulsed are already wearing red hats. It didn't help him with the gold star family issue, and it wont help him now. It also wont hurt him much, because he's on his floor.
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Why YOU should vote for Trump! Wait, what, really? Isn't Trump a horrific disaster? Yes, absolutely. Trump is a disaster but he's the best option we have right now. American politics are predictably cyclical. After 8 years, the ruling party flips. During the midterms the opposition party surges, leading to a brief period of a majority during the new President's first two years followed by a divided government that can't do much (but gets less divided after the second general election). If we disrupt that pattern and get Biden, what do we have? Biden has told us that nothing will fundamentally change. That's what he is running on: a return to respectable government that you can ignore. But that only works for the well-off. Everybody else will continue to get worse under a Biden administration just as they would under a Trump administration. So, it makes sense to "bite the bullet" and let Trump take another 4 years so a different, more respectable Democrat can take over. Let's do the math. With Trump we have 4 years until we can have a candidate that can actually do something to help us. If Biden wins you have Biden (2020-2024) -- things get muddier here because Biden has dementia. He or his chosen successor could theoretically lose to a Republican. Then we *just* have to wait until 2032 for the possibility of a good Dem. More realistically, we are looking at 2036. If Trump wins, we could have a good Dem as early as 2024! It's also important in helping get a good Dem on the ballot. Neoliberalism cannot fail, it can only be failed but Leftist politicians can absolutely fail. If Biden wins, it will be taken as a sign that the only way to win is for Dems to continue to run right. The establishment Dems will do that anyway but Biden losing leaves a lane for a change agent open. I'm sure you have objections. Isn't Trump a horrific racist? I think it is important to get out ahead of this one, because 90% of these conversations boil down to idpol. Yes, Trump is absolutely a racist in his private life. But this is the first of many areas where separating the private individual from the political institution becomes important. Trump is crude and uses racial slurs in his private life. Joe Biden entered politics on an anti-busing platform and has used his political power to further segregation. Who is worse: the guy who puts his hand on his wallet when a black man walks by or the guy who stands up and uses his political power to further the cause of segregation? Both are obviously bad but one is also obviously much, much worse. Trump's greatest sin in terms of racism are the camps. Camps built during the Obama administration with the backing of Joe Biden. Now think back to the Obama administration. Being against the camps was an extremely fringe position. Most people were somewhere between "don't know" and "don't care". Under Trump, opposition to these camps is a mainstream issue. People are paying attention to it and want it to end. The fact that the Dems in congress keep paying for them reminds me of gay marriage and cannabis legalization. There are tons of political cartoons of the Dems waiting for an issue to cross a magic 50% approval barrier before they support it. Those cartoons are wrong, it is more like a 75% barrier. There needs to be an overwhelming majority of popular support before Dems will back a good idea. The only way for that to happen is for people to pay attention. If you want the camps closed, you need people to care. If you want people to care, you need Trump in the White House. Another advantage is that Trump's clownish racism is driving Hispanic engagement in politics. Instead of dreaming about maybe getting Grandpa's plantation back, they rightfully care about the racist in front of them. They can't use their money to protect themselves from white nationalism. Lastly, because Nazis are everybody's idea of a "big bad" it's also worth pointing out that there are more Jews in the Trump administration than any previous administration. Compare that with regular accusations of antisemitism that the Obama administration would face from other Democrats. I'm not talking about the opposition, the opposition will make all kinds of lurid claims to see what sticks. But people in Obama's own party routinely decried his mainstreaming of antisemitism in the Democratic party. So, again, we have to ask ourselves, which is worse: the man who grumbles about Jews controlling the media but appoints a historic number of Jews to his cabinet or the man who politely excludes Jews from the halls of power but doesn't make a big deal of it? On the related topic of Israel, they are alike as eggs in terms of their beliefs. Both Trump and Biden are incredibly hawkish on Israel and support the apartheid state. However, Trump's idiopathic foreign policy is an advantage here. Trump has no plans to go to war with Iran for Israel. While he might be a buffoon, Donald is incredibly dovish when it comes to foreign policy (much to Bolton's consternation). That's in contrast with the much more hawkish Biden who will absolutely continue the disastrous Carter Doctrine. Isn't Trump mishandling Covid? Structural issues are mishandling Covid. BoJo in the UK is at least as much of an incompetent clown as Trump but the UK's response has been much better. Why? Because of the NHS. Compare that to Obamacare in the United States which has been wholly unable to deal with the pandemic. One thing that is really worth driving home here is how much Obama's neoliberal policies have screwed over the healthcare system of the United States. In order to streamline costs, hospitals shifted to an on-demand system for one-use equipment like PPE as opposed to a stockpile and these items would be sourced from overseas (primarily China). This makes sense if you follow Neoliberal assumptions that nothing bad can happen in the world and things will chug along more-or-less as they always have been. Trump's protectionism would have been a boon here. Now, the American healthcare system is broken but what is new? Trump won't repeal the parts of Obamacare that people like. If he wanted that, it would have already happened. He won't build on it either but neither will Biden. This goes back to the thesis: do you want a chance at a functioning healthcare system in the US in 2024 or 2036? What about the post-war world order? Trump is dismantling that! Lol if you think Pax Americana has been good for the world. What about judges? The Supreme Court? The Supreme Court is broken. The judicial system has been cut off at the knee. Biden won't change that, so it will truck along broken as ever. Plus if Supreme Court Justices are the hill you want to die on, do you really think the guy who gave us Clarence Thomas is a good pick? What about BLM and Social Justice? Going back to the racism discussion, a segregationist who speaks out against "anarchists" and suggests removing Constitutionally protected rights from protesters is not a great pick. Plus Obama oversaw the extrajudicial killing of the early leaders of BLM in Ferguson and drank bottled water to let people know that Flint was safe. If you think Biden will be meaningfully better than Trump on these issues, I've got a bridge to sell you. Right now Biden's campaign is running ads stoking anti-asian sentiment making it clear that he is the one who will actually be tough on the Chinese both at home and abroad. What about corruption, the rule of law? Biden has gone out of his way to enrich his family (though, interestingly, not himself) using political connections. He does it in a "respectable" manner as opposed to Trump's crude approach. But their corruption is a difference in optics, not kind. That's what it really boils down to: optics. Trump does all the bad things other politicians do, he's just incredibly crass about it. In a perverse way, that is good since it forces people to confront the injustice of it. Biden, on the other hand, will coast on decorum while codifying the new world order where there are a few very rich people and masses of debt-slaves with no meaningful chance of social mobility. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I'm not usually one to pick on reg dates, but... I mean Incelshok Na posted:One thing that I miss in the current iteration of Warhammer is that unlike society at large, it is a lot less gay. The old custodes really made the whole "the Emperor absolutely had sex with the Primarchs" subtext pretty close to text. Every time a ship crashed into another ship, it was clearly anal sex. There was fisting with powerfists. Really great stuff. Space Marines went from being the sacred band of thebes to asexual wimps that are afraid of women.
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Incelshok Na posted:Longpost I agree with most of this except voting for Trump, gently caress giving either of these ghouls my vote. The Democrats are trying to unite the centrists from both parties so they can lock in a neoliberal status quo, they can't be rewarded for doing everything in their power to ensure Bernie lost. I don't think I'll need to agonize over my vote much because with 20-40 million becoming homeless this month and more on the way, we'll likely see revolution and the collapse of America before November.
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sean10mm posted:I mean Jesus loving christ. Go back to Kiwifarms.
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The thing about voting for your material self-interest is that neither Major parties represent anyone's material self-interest. So people vote for culture war bullshit because it's literally the only thing on the ballot.
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it's gonna be interesting to see whose rereg that is, because the writing style rings a bell somehow. it is occasionally nice to see that the weirdos of days gone past remain precisely as strange as ever.
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Incelshok Na posted:Lastly, because Nazis are everybody's idea of a "big bad" it's also worth pointing out that there are more Jews in the Trump administration than any previous administration. Compare that with regular accusations of antisemitism that the Obama administration would face from other Democrats. I'm not talking about the opposition, the opposition will make all kinds of lurid claims to see what sticks. But people in Obama's own party routinely decried his mainstreaming of antisemitism in the Democratic party. So, again, we have to ask ourselves, which is worse: the man who grumbles about Jews controlling the media but appoints a historic number of Jews to his cabinet or the man who politely excludes Jews from the halls of power but doesn't make a big deal of it? Kindly gently caress along with this bullshit.
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sean10mm posted:I mean Read "Space Marine" by Ian Watson and tell me I'm wrong. You might not be nostalgic for those days but I am.
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Aug 4, 2020 21:02
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I know we're not banning anyone right now but maybe squirrel this one away for when the handoff is made
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Bishyaler posted:I agree with most of this except voting for Trump, gently caress giving either of these ghouls my vote. The Democrats are trying to unite the centrists from both parties so they can lock in a neoliberal status quo, they can't be rewarded for doing everything in their power to ensure Bernie lost. I don't think I'll need to agonize over my vote much because with 20-40 million becoming homeless this month and more on the way, we'll likely see revolution and the collapse of America before November. I struggle with it. I think that voting Trump makes strategic sense, especially in swing states because his mishandling of Covid is making it less likely he will win re-election. In order to even have a chance to pull the country left, we have to bite the bullet for Trump.
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Incelshok Na posted:I struggle with it. I think that voting Trump makes strategic sense, especially in swing states because his mishandling of Covid is making it less likely he will win re-election. In order to even have a chance to pull the country left, we have to bite the bullet for Trump. Do you genuinely think you're fooling anyone with this?
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rko posted:I honestly don’t understand why you think anybody’s going to engage in good faith with your nonsense arguments “from the left” when they’re backed by just outright homophobia. Where is the homophobia? WH40K was awesome when it was gay as hell. The more serious and straight WH40K is a pale imitation of what it used to be.
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Incelshok Na posted:Isn't Trump a horrific racist? I know this is sand-blasting an ant, but Trump's literal first appearance in the news was for his racist tenant policies when he was a slum lord back in 80s.
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