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No Wave posted:What are the vintage-relevant creatures from the past three years? Dreadhorde Arcanist, Thassa's Oracle, Emry, and a few other random cards here and there? I don't know much about Vintage but creatures that are "too strong" generally don't make it, it's role players that interact with much more broken mechanics like Stitches Supplier. 
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Interesting to think how different the companion stuff would have gone down with regular paper play still on, instead of primarily on digital platforms.
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Aug 5, 2020 01:32
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I feel like just complaining about their passive is only half the argument. Putting their passive on an artifact, creature, or enchantment is not the same as putting it on a permanent type that's traditionally difficult to answer on top of a card type that generates even more advantage the longer it lives. On top of that, original teferi was a finisher and wasn't meant to be played turn 3 that shapes the rest of the game.
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Aug 5, 2020 01:46
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BizarroAzrael posted:Interesting to think how different the companion stuff would have gone down with regular paper play still on, instead of primarily on digital platforms. About five-six years ago I'd have wondered the same, but between the ubiquity of Arena and the increasing prevalence of people just netdecking top decks at even the local shop level, I kinda gotta say "about the same." We've left the era where decks like RtR/Theros U/W/b Control is priced out of the average player's hands- invested players are older and spending more. A standard deck that ran $400+ in paper like Dark Jeskai with Baby Jace was a rarity around my shop back then. Now, before the Plague Lands settled in, plenty of the local players were on Bant Ramp or Temur Reclamation, with most of the more budget folk on RDW or Cat Food. If a deck is a problem online and a problem at sanctioned play, it's probably a problem at your local shop too. Mr. Locke fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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Aug 5, 2020 01:47
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Bant Approach featuring Uro!
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Aug 5, 2020 01:53
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ya i've been shocked by how much money folks seem to still be throwing at mtg, the user base is a lot larger and a lot more free spending than I assume
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Aug 5, 2020 01:59
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No Wave posted:What are the vintage-relevant creatures from the past three years? Dreadhorde Arcanist, Thassa's Oracle, Emry, and a few other random cards here and there? I don't know much about Vintage but creatures that are "too strong" generally don't make it, it's role players that interact with much more broken mechanics like Stitches Supplier. most of the creatures currently played in vintage are from the last few years. see: arcanist, oracle, emry, hollow one, lavinia, ouphe, lutri, oracle, hogaak, golos, etc etc
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Aug 5, 2020 02:04
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uggy posted:ya i've been shocked by how much money folks seem to still be throwing at mtg, the user base is a lot larger and a lot more free spending than I assume I’ve been playing magic for a really long time, and one thing I learn over and over every time I find a new playgroup is that for many magic fans, Magic is simply one hobby, but for some people magic is not just their only hobby, it’s possibly their only interest whatsoever. There are people whose entire entertainment budget is MtG products and events and patreons, and they basically never waver or grow out of it.
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Aug 5, 2020 02:07
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Bust Rodd posted:I’ve been playing magic for a really long time, and one thing I learn over and over every time I find a new playgroup is that for many magic fans, Magic is simply one hobby, but for some people magic is not just their only hobby, it’s possibly their only interest whatsoever. There are people whose entire entertainment budget is MtG products and events and patreons, and they basically never waver or grow out of it. Yeah I think this is the difference between a hobby, and "fandom" - fanatics are fanatical about their stuff, that's where the term 'fan' originates. What I'm getting at is this isn't unique to Magic, there are people whose entire lives revolve around their singular fandom interest, for every fandom you can think of and a bunch more you can't think of.
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Aug 5, 2020 02:12
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The only card banned from Vintage for power level reasons.
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Aug 5, 2020 02:23
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The only card banned from Vintage for power level reasons. If only they'd gone ahead and done the global companion nerf first, maybe they wouldn't have had to have the black mark of banning a card from Vintage for the first time. Would it be fair in Vintage now if they unbanned it with the 3 mana tax?
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Entropic posted:If only they'd gone ahead and done the global companion nerf first, maybe they wouldn't have had to have the black mark of banning a card from Vintage for the first time. Would it be fair in Vintage now if they unbanned it with the 3 mana tax? No.
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Aug 5, 2020 02:37
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Bust Rodd posted:I’ve been playing magic for a really long time, and one thing I learn over and over every time I find a new playgroup is that for many magic fans, Magic is simply one hobby, but for some people magic is not just their only hobby, it’s possibly their only interest whatsoever. There are people whose entire entertainment budget is MtG products and events and patreons, and they basically never waver or grow out of it. My friends and brother and I have been playing magic for like 8-20 years and we have a power cube we draft and poo poo and we played it this last year with some newer players who had never cubed in paper and they were so much more invested in magic than I was, it was quite shocking. I’ve had some times where I don’t play a ton but I’ve been sorta keeping up with standard, modern and legacy for almost a decade now. Magic is something I love and for sure a main hobby, but drat I am not close enough to so many folks when it comes to fandom. Twitch streams are wild since it’s clear some folks watch streams more each week than I do in like 3 months. Also if folks know an easy way to take a cubetutor or cube cobra list and draft it online amongst friends, I’m all ears
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Entropic posted:If only they'd gone ahead and done the global companion nerf first, maybe they wouldn't have had to have the black mark of banning a card from Vintage for the first time. Would it be fair in Vintage now if they unbanned it with the 3 mana tax? Probably not considering all the poo poo it can pull and the still near-zero opportunity cost of including it. It wouldn't be the unholy terror it was when it could be cast off of a single lotus that it then recurs, one of its many many power plays. But decks still run Lutri despite the nerf.
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Aug 5, 2020 02:50
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uggy posted:Also if folks know an easy way to take a cubetutor or cube cobra list and draft it online amongst friends, I’m all ears There's https://github.com/walkingeyerobot/r38 if you feel like putting in a little work to get it up and running.
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Aug 5, 2020 02:51
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Probably not considering all the poo poo it can pull and the still near-zero opportunity cost of including it. It wouldn't be the unholy terror it was when it could be cast off of a single lotus that it then recurs, one of its many many power plays. I'd always heard that they really only test for limited and Standard and don't really bother doing any proper playtesting for older formats, but companions are what made me really believe it.
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Aug 5, 2020 02:54
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uggy posted:Also if folks know an easy way to take a cubetutor or cube cobra list and draft it online amongst friends, I’m all ears Use dr4ft for the actual draft. You can create a new room and select cube as the type then you can straight up enter the cube cobra ID and it pulls it over for you. Just link your friends to the room. One you finish the draft and make your decks download them from dr4ft and move to the Cockatrice app on the Rooster Ranges server, then make games and play against one another. Games can be passworded to avoid randos popping in, just communicate the password on your Discord or whatever. If you have trouble with any part of that let me know, I tend to think it's straightforward but I've been using it for a while so my judgment may be off.
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Grifter posted:Sure. wow jesus i had looked at dr4ft but was trying to upload a custom cube instead of finding the cube button that you said to use. That wasn't hard at all, but if I run into issues, I'll let you know. Thanks!
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Aug 5, 2020 03:20
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Would anyone be bored enough tomorrow to maybe coach me through a core 2021 draft? I've never drafted before and I hardly know the game, but I want to get better and I don't just want to buy packs. Also I looked but may have missed it, is there a dedicated Arena thread? If you're up for it send me a gmail! (same username)
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Aug 5, 2020 03:35
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Nitramster posted:
yeah it's under games, not trad games https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3897805
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Aug 5, 2020 03:54
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the foil borderless urza lands are already 29$, meddling mage is 12 and Expedition map is down to $17. And this is just with the supply from people cracking boxes before the release date. When these cards actually hit people's hands and these cards flood the market its going to be real ugly. I feel bad for anyone that bought one of these things lol. The foil box toppers are going to be way more common than just the regular foil rares/mythics. Its so bizarre how they decided to make this product to me. Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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Aug 5, 2020 12:18
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Paul Zuvella posted:the foil borderless urza lands are already 29$, meddling mage is 12 and Expedition map is down to $17. And this is just with the supply from people cracking boxes before the release date. When these cards actually hit people's hands and these cards flood the market its going to be real ugly. So the problem now is that the cool cards people want are too common and inexpensive????
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Tainen posted:So the problem now is that the cool cards people want are too common and inexpensive???? the problem is that wotc is selling a pack for a 100 dollars to gambling addicts.
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Aug 5, 2020 12:59
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Paul Zuvella posted:the problem is that wotc is selling a pack for a 100 dollars to gambling addicts. Well hopefully the less than 1% of people who would buy a $100 pack of magic cards learn their lesson quickly and the other 99% of people can enjoy their cheap reprints with cool arts.
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Aug 5, 2020 13:03
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I wish they'd banned heliod instead of ballista in pioneer. Ballista is a busted card but I was hoping to move towards a weird simic ascendancy deck with the ozolith. Maybe BUG so i could push blightbeetles.
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Aug 5, 2020 13:30
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Some folks on Twitter seem to think they banned Balista instead of Heliod because he is an in-print Mythic Rare and WotC would never do that unless it’s an Oko level emergency. I think it’s because Balista is clearly a problematic card that scales to effectively and goes in every deck, but I’m not a pro, and maybe I’m way off base.
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Tainen posted:So the problem now is that the cool cards people want are too common and inexpensive???? Cards cratering is good, WotC barring a (presumably) sick Draft experience behind a 270€ box which ends up holding 100€ in "value" is not. Tainen posted:Well hopefully the less than 1% of people who would buy a $100 pack of magic cards learn their lesson quickly That's not how addiction works.
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Bust Rodd posted:Some folks on Twitter seem to think they banned Balista instead of Heliod because he is an in-print Mythic Rare and WotC would never do that unless it’s an Oko level emergency. Ballista is 100% a problematic card. I can also see the not wanting to ban heliod line, but ditching ballista now probably saves them from it becoming a problem later. Indestructible enchantments like the gods suck though.
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Today is August 5th, the date that Magic the Gathering was officially released at GenCon ‘93! Today is essentially Magic’s 27th birthday! Hell yeah
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it really bothers me that two of them are plural but the others are not and I do not know why
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Aug 5, 2020 14:50
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It bothers me more that they decided to use not-Plains, not-Island and not-Mountain to showcase the current style lol. Even the Swamp is sketchy.
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Bust Rodd posted:Today is August 5th, the date that Magic the Gathering was officially released at GenCon ‘93! Today is essentially Magic’s 27th birthday! i would play that first set of lands on arena
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flatluigi posted:i would play that first set of lands on arena I was actually logging in to buy them because I assumed that's where the screengrab was from.
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Paul Zuvella posted:the foil borderless urza lands are already 29$, meddling mage is 12 and Expedition map is down to $17. And this is just with the supply from people cracking boxes before the release date. When these cards actually hit people's hands and these cards flood the market its going to be real ugly. Double Masters hasn't even released yet. Do you think a foil topper is going to be more common than regular foils after everyone starts opening boxes?
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That's how it's worked for the last few collector's boxes. Like how the foil showcase triomes are more common than regular border since there's like a 1 in 25 chance of them appearing in a collectors pack but regular border has to compete with every other rare.
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Brownhat posted:Double Masters hasn't even released yet. Do you think a foil topper is going to be more common than regular foils after everyone starts opening boxes? There is not a doubt in my mind that the foils will be cheaper than the non-foils. You get nearly 4 foil toppers for the price of 1 non-foil. The foil market is so saturated right now that there were m21 cards that were chearper in foil because of collectors boosters.
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Paul Zuvella posted:There is not a doubt in my mind that the foils will be cheaper than the non-foils. You get nearly 4 foil toppers for the price of 1 non-foil. The foil market is so saturated right now that there were m21 cards that were chearper in foil because of collectors boosters. also, because foils are an inferior product due to curving
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Paul Zuvella posted:There is not a doubt in my mind that the foils will be cheaper than the non-foils. You get nearly 4 foil toppers for the price of 1 non-foil. The foil market is so saturated right now that there were m21 cards that were chearper in foil because of collectors boosters. This reminds me of how when the original Zen full-art lands came out, people went out of their way to get the regular-frame versions just because they only came out of fat packs and were rarer. They cost basically the same on SCG now, which is essentially nothing.  
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Aug 5, 2020 16:09
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I really appreciate how three of Richard's first set of lands are just "Tree"
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Bust Rodd posted:I really appreciate how three of Richard's first set of lands are just "Tree" Tree near water, tree touching water, tree away from water.
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