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anilEhilated posted:I'm kinda weirded out by the sense of scale in this game, and it's not just where units are involved (where it is understandable) - the World Trade Center had around 400 meters and doesn't fit on the map, the Eiffel Tower is 3/4 that and you can comfortably see it whole with place to spare, not to mention their width. The WTC was clearly done that way to avoid having large areas of the map visually blocked by the towers. Notice how there's nothing behind them. The Crazy Ivan concept is not bad. There are mods that rescue the unit by making it tough enough to stand on the front line and fast enough to run into a battle, rig a few bombs, and hopefully run out again. That turns Ivan into a suitably annoying harassment and distraction unit. The unit as he is now is definitely a holdover from RA2's even wackier phases in development. There's concept art up online for an even sillier game with even crazier units than what we already have.
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FoolyCharged posted:The Canadian flag falling into the broadcast is still hilarious all these years later Same, love that little sight gag every single time. And yeah, also put me in the camp of pretty much never using Crazy Ivans. Just to finicky of a unit to use when you could just build some more Rhino Tanks or some other units instead. Great idea for a unit though, just not proper execution, which is definitely a theme in C&C. (TS Jump Jet Infantry, RA1 Chrono Tanks, etc.) As for the mission, a nice short and sweet one, and turning the Eiffel Tower into the world's biggest Tesla Coil sure is an amazing idea. Never thought to use the random trucks puttering around as targets for Crazy Ivan bombs though.
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There is one interesting thing Crazy Ivans provide that I'm sure Jobbo will cover. The unit itself though is definitely really bad. Remote detonation would make them so much better, especially if you could sneak bombs onto stuff like harvesters. At the same time I can't hate them existing as another attempt to give the Soviets more gimmicks than just brute force.
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Mokinokaro posted:The unit itself though is definitely really bad. Remote detonation would make them so much better, especially if you could sneak bombs onto stuff like harvesters. Iirc that was an original design concept, and maybe can even be re-enabled by mods?
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Crazy Ivans never felt like they synergized with the rest of RA2's Soviet arsenal. The Soviets rely on mass production and brute force, while the Crazy Ivan feels more suited for something like the GLA from Generals where you need to move fast and rely on ambushes and traps. Also I'm late to the conversation, but the history of East Asia in the RAverse seems weird. Right in the intro movie for RA2 there's a hotline phone specifically for Tokyo right beside the one for Moscow, and in the first Soviet mission there's the Iwo Jima memorial in Washington DC. I have no problem imagining some sort of Japanese-American war occurred at some point in the RAverse; it's no stretch of the imagination to say that internal pressures and the limits of geography would have pushed imperial Japan to try building an empire in China and southeast Asia and brought them into conflict with America regardless of whether or not Nazi Germany ever existed. However, I have no idea how this conflict was resolved, since while the phone implies Japan is still a Great Power, Korea also seems to be an independent military power in its own right, so who knows what happened there.
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Could be just Korea being able to talk its way into the Allied Nations and managing to stave off the possible Japanese imperial ambitions that way, if there still are any. Realistic diplomacy isn't exactly a thing in CnC. See also: Kane backing the USSR in RA1 and Russia being GDI in TD. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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Jul 30, 2020 17:10
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Who are the GLA and what is Generals?
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quote:Eiffel Tower Loxbourne posted:Arc de Triomphe Looks like somebody didn't paid enough attention to the mission briefing. The objective clearly states we need to electrify the PARIS TOWER. You know, the one next to the Paris Arch of Winning and the Generic world-famous museum.
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Well, the issue is that Korea was annexed by Japan all the way back in 1910, long before Hitler's removal, so it being an independent power again in the late 1960s suggests something major happened. Still, you're right that this is one of those situations where you need to keep the MST3K mantra in mind and just go with it.
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What if, like... RA2 is the universe where other Chrono Legionnaires send stuff to?
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Marshal Radisic posted:Well, the issue is that Korea was annexed by Japan all the way back in 1910, long before Hitler's removal, so it being an independent power again in the late 1960s suggests something major happened. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jul 30, 2020 |
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The hotline phone doesn't necessarily imply that Tokyo isn't occupied at this point. After all, Russia was ostensibly a puppet state from the intro and there's no way that phone was installed after the Russian invasion started. Arguably, the fact that we don't see Japan intervening is evidence that they are still under the severe military buildup restrictions of something like the post-WW2 JSDF limits.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:What if, like... RA2 is the universe where other Chrono Legionnaires send stuff to? Turns out the Chrono Legionaires were behind it all. Kane, Tiberium, Yuri...it's all a Chrono plot.
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Radio Free Kobold posted:Turns out the Chrono Legionaires were behind it all. Kane, Tiberium, Yuri...it's all a Chrono plot. If we ever get to the moon, you'll that it always has been.
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Soviet 06: Operation: Sub-Divide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8pMR7Qqlqg Operation: Sub-Divide  I don't know about this Yuri guy. You sure we can tr~urk! Yuri is our Glorious Savior. Please, try the tea.   Hawaii, United States  Location: Hawaii, United States Objective: Destroy the Allied Pacific Fleet! Briefing: The Americans are on their knees, begging for mercy. The last remnants of their fleet at Pearl Harbor waits helplessly for your relentless attack. However, we have news that the Koreans are not yet beaten and may attempt to join up with the American Navy. They must not succeed. Author's note: An interesting mission, though I admit that I dislike the starting position you're in.   Name: Alexander Romanov Aliases: None Affiliation: Soviet Occupation: Premier of the Glorious Soviet Union Voiced/Played by: Nicholas Worth Premier of the Soviet Union. Has a pet turtle named Harry; no dove though. A rather jovial fellow. Either has a medical condition, or is affected by Yuri by some fashion.  Name: Yuri Aliases: None Affiliation: Soviet Occupation: Aide/Confidant to the Premier of the Soviet Union [Unconfirmed] Voiced/Played by: Udo Kier Aide/Confidant to the Premier of the Soviet Union. May not be on the up-and-up, dislikes Gen. Vladimir. Knows the meaning of "Soviet Irony." Do not tr~urk! Glorious Yuri is friend to all!  Name: Gen. Vladimir Aliases: None Affiliation: Soviet Occupation: General of the Soviet Union Voiced/Played by: Adam Greggor General of the Soviet Union's forces. Pompous glory hog. War Hero of the Soviet Union. Knows what Yuri is up to, and vows to take him down.   Dreadnought RANGE: Long-Extreme ARMOR: Heavy WEAPON: Dreadnought Missiles COST: 2000 This large ship is useful in attacking both enemy ships and ground installations. It hits with powerful long-range missiles, making it difficult for enemy units to approach within range to destroy it. Author's Note: Expensive and desperately in need of support for self-defense, the Dreadnought will do wonders provided your enemy can't shoot down its missiles. The line about attacking enemy ships is more wishful thinking and luck than anything else. Aftermath: Faster than Par Time: "Allied Admirals now refuse to send their ships to sea, so quick was your destruction of Pearl Harbor." Slower than Par Time: "The Koreans and Americans have been successfully divided. The Pacific is ours." Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Aug 12, 2020 |
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I for one trust Yuri implicitly.
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You didn't kill all the cows on the starting island?
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Nah, I'm sure that the Premier is just fine, and that good old chap Yuri is solely looking out for him, what with suddenly having fainting spells and whatnot. Yup, the guy with the ability to create mass mind control devices and control minds over a phone definitely is on the up and up...  Anyway, I am always a sucker for inverse versions of another campaign's map. The Allies do a pretty decent job of putting pressure on your base, double so with its bad location, but at least you have plenty of ore/gems to build up some solid defenses. Also love Dreadnoughts, even if they are pretty poor at naval combat.
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If by "pretty poor" you mean: is guaranteed to lose a 1v1 against a sea scorpion. 
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The Premier ,Lenin bless him seems to have been negatively impacted by the stresses of his position and should consider a convalescent leave of absence, I hear Leningrad is good this time of year. I have all confidence the Yuri can find a good replacement for the time being.
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Poil posted:If by "pretty poor" you mean: is guaranteed to lose a 1v1 against a sea scorpion. Hey now, as long as the captain and every single member of the bridge staff of the other ship all suddenly drop dead/asleep the moment combat begins, the Dreadnought might someday be able to hit them. That and who in their right mind would build a Sea Scorpion anyway? 
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anilEhilated posted:Russia being GDI in TD. This bit about C&C1 coming from a Soviet victory in RA1 was made up by fans on the C&C wiki. I think it originally came from someone writing up the C&C setting as a unified timeline for a forum that discussed alternate universes. But Westwood certainly didn't come up with it. RA2 pretty much ignores any link by dropping Kane altogether, and RA1 was from a freewheeling era with a much more relaxed attitude to continuity.
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Poil posted:You didn't kill all the cows on the starting island? Yeah so I learned yesterday youre supposed to get a cash bomus if you do, and I don't think I saw a crate there so  not sure why.You get a crate for the nearby island bunker, as shown, and also one from (one of) the memoruals being blown up.
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Loxbourne posted:This bit about C&C1 coming from a Soviet victory in RA1 was made up by fans on the C&C wiki. I think it originally came from someone writing up the C&C setting as a unified timeline for a forum that discussed alternate universes. But Westwood certainly didn't come up with it. RA2 pretty much ignores any link by dropping Kane altogether, and RA1 was from a freewheeling era with a much more relaxed attitude to continuity. I thought the allies were gdi? Wasn't it their campaign that had the blurb about it?
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RA2 continues from the allied victory scenario. TD depicts Russia as GDI aligned. https://youtu.be/TD_eflZ95P8 The fan theory is that the Soviet empire fell apart some time after the Soviet victory and the GDI rose up in the power vacuum. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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FoolyCharged posted:I thought the allies were gdi? Wasn't it their campaign that had the blurb about it? Just played through the GDI campaign in the Remaster and there isn't any mention of GDI forming from an Allied power block. The Ant mission in RA1 does have you use the gold color for your team and has a mix at times of Allied and Soviet units to give a nod(no pun intended) to C&C1, but there is nothing in C&C1 to back up anything related to a RA1-C&C1 direct link.
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UED Special Ops posted:Just played through the GDI campaign in the Remaster and there isn't any mention of GDI forming from an Allied power block. The Ant mission in RA1 does have you use the gold color for your team and has a mix at times of Allied and Soviet units to give a nod(no pun intended) to C&C1, but there is nothing in C&C1 to back up anything related to a RA1-C&C1 direct link. Nah, I seem to remember the allied campaign in red alert one having a cutscene with a throw away statement about forming a global defense initiative.
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FoolyCharged posted:Nah, I seem to remember the allied campaign in red alert one having a cutscene with a throw away statement about forming a global defense initiative. Oh yeah, thought you meant the GDI campaign. Yeah there is a very brief throwaway line about the UN or League of Nations or whatever meeting to discuss creating an international task force, which is probably a reference to the whole lore of GDI that before 1990, they were known as Special Operations Group Echo, Black Ops 9.
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FoolyCharged posted:Nah, I seem to remember the allied campaign in red alert one having a cutscene with a throw away statement about forming a global defense initiative. It did, yes.
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"The Unyeted States of America"
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The so-far UnYeeted States of America.
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I'd have loved to see what kind of ludicrous mission Seth would've actually put us through, had we attacked the Pentagon. Maybe he truly was on to something, and all of this could've been avoided!
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I stumbled over an interesting video on the AI of Tiberium Dawn and Red Alert. The channel deals with AI in games and the creator read through the TD/RA source code that was released with the remakes, and gives a summery of his findings. If you've ever wondered how the AI works, here is your chance.
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THE BAR posted:I'd have loved to see what kind of ludicrous mission Seth would've actually put us through, had we attacked the Pentagon. Maybe he truly was on to something, and all of this could've been avoided! "This is Area 51. Kane has been loath to storm it, but I think its time."
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Udo Kier is loving wonderful in this game
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Parenthesis posted:I stumbled over an interesting video on the AI of Tiberium Dawn and Red Alert. The channel deals with AI in games and the creator read through the TD/RA source code that was released with the remakes, and gives a summery of his findings. Thanks, I enjoyed this.
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Soviet 07: Operation: Chrono Defense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMD6aACySlw Operation: Chrono Defense The stress of the war has negatively affected Premier Romanov worse than we initially expected. He is currently indisposed until further notice, leaving Yuri to lead the Glorious Soviet Union against the Allied dogs. Isn't Yuri just the greatest?  Somewhere in the Ural Mountains, although it is impossible to pinpoint exactly where. Location: Ural Mountains, Soviet Union Objective: Protect the Soviet Battle Lab at all costs! Briefing: The Americans have engaged their Chronosphere; a device that allows them to move soldiers across great distances almost instantly. They can now strike anywhere they wish. You must defend our Battle Lab in the Ural Mountains. The Americans will surely strike there soon in a desperate but doomed attempt to shut down our development of the ultimate battle tank. Author's note: A simple mission that unlocks the best Soviet unit in the game. Crush all who stand against the Apocalypse Tank! Name: Yuri Aliases: None Affiliation: Soviet Occupation: Aide/Confidant to the Premier of the Soviet Union [Unconfirmed] Voiced/Played by: Udo Kier Aide/Confidant to the Premier of the Soviet Union. May not be on the up-and-up, dislikes Gen. Vladimir. Knows the meaning of "Soviet Irony." Do not tr~urk! Glorious Yuri is friend to all! Name: Gen. Vladimir Aliases: None Affiliation: Soviet Occupation: General of the Soviet Union Voiced/Played by: Adam Greggor General of the Soviet Union's forces. Pompous glory hog. War Hero of the Soviet Union. Knows what Yuri is up to, and vows to take him down.  Apocalypse Tank RANGE: Medium ARMOR: Heavy WEAPON: Twin 120mm Cannons COST: 1750 The ultimate Soviet tank, the Apocalypse Assault Tank has a massive gun. A huge vehicle, the Apocalypse can take large amounts of damage before succumbing. This vehicle can be used to attack both ground and air targets. Author's Note: The ultimate in tank technology™, nothing can even hope to stand up against the mighty Apocalypse Tank and live. Truly, this singular weapon can spell doom for all that oppose it.  Battle Lab ARMOR: Wood COST: 1500 POWER USED: 100 PURPOSE: Unlocks higher tech levels Many of the more advanced Soviet units and defenses depend upon additional technology found only at the Battle Lab. To create the Soviet special weapons, you must have a Battle Lab at your base. While expensive to build and requiring a lot of power to run, the units and structures available with the Battle Lab make it a necessary addition to any Soviet base. Author's Note: So similar to the Allied Battle Lab that the manual uses the wrong building image for the manual. (This is also repeated for the Barracks) Aftermath: Faster than Par Time: "Your ruthless efficiency has earned you great respect in the Red Army and made Soviet leadership fear your popularity." Slower than Par Time: "The battle lab is safe. The Allies will not dare strike inside mother Russia again."
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I should point out, because I forgot in the video, that certain buildings in the map give out cash crates when garrisoned. Additionally, if the trio of trucks aren't blown up, they go to the area with tents, unload civilians, who allegedly attack the Soviet base. Almost sad I missed that one, to be honest.
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