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Woodchip posted:Synched video of multiple camera shots of the explosion There's a good chance that some of those who filmed are no longer alive. They just livestreamed it. Like the dude who filmed this is confirmed dead: https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/status/1290730820509081601 Also, sorry if I sounded overwrought earlier. I was just crying for a few minutes. This is horrible, and there's the ongoing pandemic, and social distancing, etc. It probably was a bit too much for me.
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Frito playing me, when I see bad news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwR1-aRTyyM
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Among many, many other things our current administration big-brained leadership is getting wrong is that "OPEN 'ER UP THAT'LL FIX IT ALL ZOOM BANG RIGHT TO THE MOON" is not the loving answer because it is not looking at the problem. A HUGE portion of the country is looking at wicked long term symptoms or outright death and saying, "Ya know, maybe going to the theater to catch the latest blockbuster isn't that important." This problem is running Wile E. Coyote face first style into the half century plus of 100%, absolute supply side *everything* at all levels of government, media, social conditioning and on and on. Demand side anything has not been allowed to step outside of the realm of stuff like obscure economics degree papers that are labeled as kooks and fringe whackos in that half century plus. Now, whoops, demand side everything had what can be charitably called an accidental general strike and is still massively slowed down in the "recovery". Turns out an economy that is like 60% (totally rear end-pulled number) a service economy actually has a demand side component, only there's almost no methods in the halls of power to address that problem seriously. The $600 unemployment was a complete panic reaction solution using the thread-bare apparatus laying around that mostly kinda worked for it, but now we see McConnel('s donors) digging in their heels and looking to sever that lifeline. Cool Zone here we come.
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bird food bathtub posted:Among many, many other things our current administration big-brained leadership is getting wrong is that "OPEN 'ER UP THAT'LL FIX IT ALL ZOOM BANG RIGHT TO THE MOON" is not the loving answer because it is not looking at the problem. A HUGE portion of the country is looking at wicked long term symptoms or outright death and saying, "Ya know, maybe going to the theater to catch the latest blockbuster isn't that important." 75% of our GDP comes from us spending money on stuff
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mlmp08 posted:This is from all the way back in March. There were some more dramatic examples later as covid swept south and west. The place around the corner from me are family friends and closed down as soon as the stimulus money ran out. They saw there was no way to survive, especially if the thing dragged on and shut down while they still had resources to do something else. A lot of other places are just burning their spare capital in the hope they can make it through but this isn't ending any time soon. There's a good chance many of these places not only go out of business, they also use most of their resources doing so, all at once.
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Meanwhile big capital is getting richer. Small businesses are going to get replaced by chains at a huge rate when things open down the road.
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The "so what" here: In ordinary times, Lacy Clay was fine. Votes right - supports Green New Deal, Medicaid for All, member of the Progressive Caucus, brings home the district bacon etc. But he was also a generic Progressive Democratic Politician. Voted the right way but didn't lead. Didn't bother to make connections with the actual voters because he was in a gerrymandered safe seat, so as long as he was in good with the Black Democratic establishment that his father had brought him into he had a cushy job for life. Made a deal with the state Republicans during redistricting to gerrymander a fellow Democrat's seat away to ensure that his was safe. So this isn't going to be a significant change in actual voting records, but the district is getting someone who might give a poo poo about constituents who aren't at fundraiser dinners and who might actually use her voice.
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Best Friends posted:Meanwhile big capital is getting richer. Small businesses are going to get replaced by chains at a huge rate when things open down the road. Last two or three days NASDAQ has closed at record-ever high values.
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Torrannor posted:There's a good chance that some of those who filmed are no longer alive. They just livestreamed it. Jfc I was consoling myself somewhat under the impression that: a) people lived to post these videos on the internet b) the phones which streamed the moment of impact clearly survived and continued functioning for some time after the blast, long enough to upload their buffer at least One of those videos appears to have been taken from (more or less) nextdoor.  indeed
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Woodchip posted:Synched video of multiple camera shots of the explosion Holy poo poo, is that Nitrogen Dioxide? That can't be good.
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Discussion Quorum posted:Jfc I was consoling myself somewhat under the impression that: People are squishy with hollow bits and lots of watery stuff. Phones are not. Blast over-pressure does very bad things to one of those categories.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Holy poo poo, is that Nitrogen Dioxide? That can't be good. That is my understanding of the orange cloud. Much of the grain on that pier and the silos can still be salvaged with a bunch of shovels and grain vacuums, unless there's some way that the NO2 has contaminated it.
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Aug 5, 2020 18:20
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It seems like when your country is teetering on the brink of economic collapse and starvation storing something that can explode with the force of a small atomic weapon (hyperbole) in the middle of your economic lifeline right next to your largest grain reserves for 7 years is a bad idea. But knowing how bureaucracy works there's probably only 3 people in the entire country that remember it was there and only one of them who cared enough to send memos up the chain saying "hey maybe we should move this" that were routinely ignored. Either way I hope the EU or someone cares enough to help them because we aren't going to do anything but invade.
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Aug 5, 2020 18:21
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No need for hyperbole, initial measurements by people put it well in the energy range of a low yield nuclear weapon.
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Best Friends posted:Meanwhile big capital is getting richer. Small businesses are going to get replaced by chains at a huge rate when things open down the road. I was going to joke about how will we be able to tell but I think the difference will be stark enough to easily evident.
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Someone in the PYF Dangerous Chemistry thread did some back-of-the-envelope math and came up with 1-1.5 kilotons, which is well within the range of a tacnuke, and bigger than a Davy Crockett
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Someone in the PYF Dangerous Chemistry thread did some back-of-the-envelope math and came up with 1-1.5 kilotons, which is well within the range of a tacnuke, and bigger than a Davy Crockett So around 1 to 1.5 thousand tons of TNT equivalent explosive, like Ammonium Nitrate? Give or take a bit for efficiency. Not trying to be pedantic, just want to get ahead of the conspiracy theory bullshit. I mean a part of me is looking forward to the crazy poo poo people are going to come up with for how hollow earth lizardman were doing it for the moon nazis who owe Soros a favor for the rona but I'm really not looking forward to more Loose Change bullshit arguing with idiots.
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It was 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate which would come out to around 1kt tnt yield. There’s no conspiracy theory here.
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Discussion Quorum posted:Jfc I was consoling myself somewhat under the impression that: I'll just quote a fellow goon here:
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Steezo posted:So around 1 to 1.5 thousand tons of TNT equivalent explosive, like Ammonium Nitrate? Give or take a bit for efficiency. Don't ask me, I ain't no high-energy chemist. Kazinsal posted:IIRC it's about a 0.45 relative effectiveness for plain AN (0.75 for ANFO), so 2.7kt of AN is 1.2 kt of TNT equivalent.
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In fairness, neither am I, I just happen to have done enough research out of curiosity to be on the "give this guy a real thorough check at every airport ever" list. (seriously before the pandemic I used to fly roundtrips every couple months and I've never not had my laptop swabbed for explosives alongside a full patdown. that's not how reading about ANFO on the internet works, TSA) Syrian Lannister posted:This was floating around instagram yesterday There's no way that's even remotely accurate. Quick comparison on Nukemap (which, while not 100% accurate, is good enough for estimating how big a boom is at surface level based on known factors) puts that in Minuteman III territory. At the same time, the things we *do* know about it -- 140 m crater diameter -- points to more like 5 kilotons of TNT equivalent 
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Kazinsal posted:There's no way that's even remotely accurate. Quick comparison on Nukemap (which, while not 100% accurate, is good enough for estimating how big a boom is at surface level based on known factors) puts that in Minuteman III territory. https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1290681321099010049
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Imma keep posting some diversions just to break up the boomlets. So, Kanye! It's basically clear that Republicans are basically trying to escort Kanye into getting onto the ballot of as many random states as they can (GOP staffers, lawyers, etc.). It was pretty harmless (like Arkansas), but it got serious when he put in for Wisconsin yesterday. Wisconsin requires that you provide 2,000 signatures in a petition to get on the third party ballot. There were a bunch of reports of signature-collectors at supermarkets and stuff, but Kanye submitted 377 pages of signatures at the deadline - 10 signatures per page. That means he probably got plenty above the 2,000 signatures and will definitely https://twitter.com/OldBullTV/status/1291074699523432448?s=19 something!
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Either this explosion managed to generate 500 kt worth of overpressure (which I'm pretty sure physics would disagree with) or something went very wrong seismically.
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Something's going on this week. https://twitter.com/Mike_Ikahihifo/status/1291051465637654529 https://twitter.com/WillontheRadio/status/1291052927998623745 not sure if there's two incidents or one is being confused for the other Woodchip fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Aug 5, 2020 |
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Gonna lean on the side of this being fake. Flight tracker says flights are going in and out of BEY at a normal volume. This level of damage would definitely have halted flights for several days while they make the airport safe for passengers.
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I did not peg august as warehouse month
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Why are marketa/ports in the middle east going up in flames all of a sudden?
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Why are marketa/ports in the middle east going up in flames all of a sudden? MOSSAD. I'm kidding. Others...aren't.
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Yeah, depending on which side of the geopolitical spectrum you're on this is either Mossad or Iran. As is usually the case with stuff like this, I'm just chalking it up to accidents caused by sheer human stupidity and greed.
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A Bad Poster posted:Yeah, depending on which side of the geopolitical spectrum you're on this is either Mossad or Iran. As is usually the case with stuff like this, I'm just chalking it up to accidents caused by sheer human stupidity and greed. Why would Iran target Najaf?
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I'm usually real reluctant to believe in coincidences but i mean, there is no middle east OSHA and i am surprised there is not more industrial accidents of significant scale from that part of the world.
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Kazinsal posted:At the same time, the things we *do* know about it -- 140 m crater diameter -- points to more like 5 kilotons of TNT equivalent Maybe if it was in the middle of a desert testing site. My guess is the ground the warehouse was on was loosely-packed and sandy/rocky, plus the crater's only going to get bigger now that it's exposed to the tides.
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SeaborneClink posted:certainly one way to upgrade to a deepwater port gently caress
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SeaborneClink posted:certainly one way to upgrade to a deepwater port 2020 operation plowshare remake looking grim
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