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What was holding up the movie industry before the plague, anyway? It was families with kids and teenagers watching superhero movies, correct? So Mulan hits right at one of the two supports.
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The Cameo posted:It is huge with Millennial women. I don’t know if I know any that are indifferent or hate it. I presume this is because for a lot of them it was the first movie they might have seen where it’s just a bad rear end woman doing bad rear end things and isn’t jonesing for some dude’s dick. Its also pretty well regarded in the LGBTQ community since it was the first Disney movie in a long time where the villain wasn't gay coded and on top of that the hero is gay coded. There was a small controversy earlier in the year when people found out Disney removed the ambiguity of the prince falling for Mulan when he still believes she's a man to appease China.
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Aug 6, 2020 05:25
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They are 100% gonna lose money on this Mulan thing, no way enough people will pay $30 to watch it
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Aug 6, 2020 08:36
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Vegetable posted:They are 100% gonna lose money on this Mulan thing, no way enough people will pay $30 to watch it Disney + has 60.5 million subscribers. They only need 20% of them to watch to make 363 million dollars, which is all Disney's money, none of it going to distributors.
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Aug 6, 2020 09:45
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They probably need almost half a billion to make Mulan profitable. The budget was $200m+ with at least another 100 in marketing and the delays have only cost them more. I have no idea how many people are going to buy this on demand but even with the most generous estimates it seems like it might be an inevitable disappointment compared to a release in a normal world.
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Aug 6, 2020 11:50
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Ror posted:They probably need almost half a billion to make Mulan profitable. The budget was $200m+ with at least another 100 in marketing and the delays have only cost them more. I have no idea how many people are going to buy this on demand but even with the most generous estimates it seems like it might be an inevitable disappointment compared to a release in a normal world. The usual profitability estimates have to take into account money to distributors. Disney gets to keep everything with this VOD.
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Aug 6, 2020 12:06
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I don't know if I would interpret Disney's move as anything except skepticism about the capacity of theater operators to sell tickets in 2020 (and possibly beyond). If no theatrical release will be successful, might as well try to make up some of the difference in cost through Disney Plus.
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Aug 6, 2020 12:08
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QuoProQuid posted:I don't know if I would interpret Disney's move as anything except skepticism about the capacity of theater operators to sell tickets in 2020 (and possibly beyond). If no theatrical release will be successful, might as well try to make up some of the difference in cost through Disney Plus. It's a desperation move, for sure, but will be an interesting experiment.
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Aug 6, 2020 12:12
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Universe Master posted:It's a desperation move, for sure, but will be an interesting experiment. Yeah, but I still can't figure out who would really pay $30 just to watch a new movie at home. Modern audiences are spoiled with having big rear end TVs in their living room and millions of movies on hand. Sure it may cost more than $30 to see a movie in a theater, but if you're just entertaining a handful of kids, just put on one of the millions of other Disney movies on, kids don't care if they just watched it last week.
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Aug 6, 2020 12:35
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Iron Crowned posted:Yeah, but I still can't figure out who would really pay $30 just to watch a new movie at home. Modern audiences are spoiled with having big rear end TVs in their living room and millions of movies on hand. Depends in the age group because some absolutely would care
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Aug 6, 2020 12:49
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Wasn't there something about Mulan not being allowed to show in theaters in China? Something about the length being like 20 minutes too long for the current virus prevention guidelines. I wonder of that played j n to the decision.
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Aug 6, 2020 14:09
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everyone hates the mulan actress but what's funny is the inverse could be true, a best boy or extra could say "free hong kong!" on twitter and china would shut the whole thing down demanding disney punish them it hasn't happened yet so but I hope it does 
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Aug 6, 2020 14:24
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The other live action remakes were bad and made bank so even though Mulan the original wasn't as successful as those other originals I don't see that being a detriment. Unless I'm a dummy and those other remakes made all that money off people my age going to see them.
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Aug 6, 2020 16:22
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Aug 6, 2020 16:34
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Groovelord Neato posted:The other live action remakes were bad and made bank so even though Mulan the original wasn't as successful as those other originals I don't see that being a detriment. Unless I'm a dummy and those other remakes made all that money off people my age going to see them. Depends on your age I guess. I'm 39, and I actually worked in a theater when the original played, I still have that button that we were forced to wear on our uniforms somewhere in a closet. None of these live actions have appealed to me, maybe if I had children and was trying to find something new to watch in COVID lockup. The thing that just doesn't make sense to me is making it $30. $30 is a lot of money, I know they're factoring it on actually going to a physical cinema, but things are bad out there, and I can't see that being prioritized above toilet paper right now. If they just made it $5, most people wouldn't bat an eye to just rent it and keep the kids shut up for 1.5 hours.
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Aug 6, 2020 16:44
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This version of Mulan has what, 30% of the same content as the animated-original? It just seems like two hours of chinese people talking.
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Aug 6, 2020 17:00
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Yeah, paying $30 for a family night out, where there are maybe 2-3 movies showing that appeal to everybody, is quite different from paying $30 to watch it on your own TV, when you could watch literally hundreds of other movies instead at no cost (assuming you already have a subscription).
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Aug 6, 2020 17:08
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https://twitter.com/murderwizard/status/1291399548498317319 This is so stupid, unnecessary, and revealing.
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Aug 6, 2020 17:09
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Very little difference between divorced dad energy and cranky toddler energy.
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Aug 6, 2020 17:19
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I'm confused by the shot Scorsese fired?
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Aug 6, 2020 17:33
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Alan Smithee posted:I'm confused by the shot Scorsese fired? "It's bad it's not being released in theatres" says man whose super-expensive last film was funded by a streaming service.
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Aug 6, 2020 17:35
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Was the Tenet poster supposed to be part of the bit?
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Aug 6, 2020 17:36
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Universe Master posted:The usual profitability estimates have to take into account money to distributors. Disney gets to keep everything with this VOD. Not necessarily. If people buy the movie through the Disney Plus apps, those people such as Apple and Google will take a nice chunk.
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Aug 6, 2020 18:22
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Groovelord Neato posted:"It's bad it's not being released in theatres" says man whose super-expensive last film was funded by a streaming service. Which, to be fair, he was pretty openly uncomfortable with the fact that only a streaming service was willing to fund The Irishman, and lobbied pretty hard for Netflix to put it in theaters on at least a limited basis. He'd rather compromise than not make movies, but that doesn't mean he's happy about the compromises.
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https://deadline.com/2020/08/john-wick-5-confirmed-by-lionsgate-sequel-will-be-shot-back-to-back-with-fourth-installment-1203006611/ "Keanu Reeves is back in the back-to-back sequels game with John Wick 4 and 5 aiming to film consecutively next year. On today’s Lionsgate earnings call, the studio’s CEO John Feltheimer said, “We’re also busy preparing scripts for the next two installments of our John Wick action franchise, with John Wick 4 slated to hit theatres Memorial Day weekend 2022. We hope to shoot both John Wick 4 & 5 back to back when Keanu becomes available early next year.” The sequel, John Wick 4, is currently scheduled for May 27, Memorial Day weekend." Kinda sucks the "Will he die / won't he die" suspense from the next movie, but I'm game.
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MasqueradeOverture posted:https://deadline.com/2020/08/john-wick-5-confirmed-by-lionsgate-sequel-will-be-shot-back-to-back-with-fourth-installment-1203006611/ He does die in 4. John Wick 5 is about his daughter, Jane Wick.
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Aug 6, 2020 23:11
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He will die in JW4 and JW5 is about him killing Death itself
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The MSJ posted:He will die in JW4 and JW5 is about him killing Death itself Teams up with nic cage to escape hell
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Aug 6, 2020 23:18
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He gets fatally shot and dies in 4 but Neo pulls out the bullet, then in six months when 5 comes out he dies once again.
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MasqueradeOverture posted:https://deadline.com/2020/08/john-wick-5-confirmed-by-lionsgate-sequel-will-be-shot-back-to-back-with-fourth-installment-1203006611/ This well has been drained so dry already, it’s just sad to see. Should have stopped after 1.
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Aug 6, 2020 23:24
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Shut up.
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CelticPredator posted:Shut up. Taintrunner is right.
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Aug 6, 2020 23:34
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I love the series...but I kinda think 4 and 5 could have just come down to 4. But I'll enjoy both. Also when you say JW4 and JW5 I think Jurassic World and now I have this imagine in my head of John Wick hunting down rogue Dinos. Fast and Furious 12: John Wick in a Transformer hunting Vin Diesel's crew down.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Taintrunner is right. Absolutely not. There isn’t a better action franchise out there right now. They’re all gorgeous and fun to watch. End when they want to end.
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Aug 6, 2020 23:46
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Whichever one had Ruby Rose was a huge step down from the first.
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Aug 6, 2020 23:48
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John Wick 2 is better than 1, but John Wick 3 is a bad bad baaaaaad movie. I've never seen a filler episode in movie form.
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And CGI squibs are a loving crime. vvv correct Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Aug 7, 2020 |
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Aug 6, 2020 23:56
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The story was a lot better when it was all a big joke about a dude going on a revenge murder spree because his dog was killed. Then it went entirely up its own rear end with nonsensical secret assassin fantasy world building and completely lost the plot. It’s just mediocre action porn that’s already been done better in other, better, movies, in some instances directly ripping them off I.e. The Villainess. And after 3 it’s clear Keanu’s getting up in age and losing a step. Watching dudes run into frame and get judo thrown to death is just tiring.
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I actually prefer John Wick 2 to 1. The fight scene locations are just so much more ambitious and Ruby Rose and Common were cool antagonists. John Wick 3 was completely unnecessary with literally nothing changing from the ending of 2 and the ending of 3 except for Laurence Fishburne getting sliced up.
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John Wick 5 is going to have Alex Winter as the main villain isn't it. I wonder if 4 is going to have Dracula.
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