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Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
The classic vibe series is fantastic and I highly recommend it. I have the five string J bass version that I got a few years ago before they raised the prices on them, and it reminds me a lot of the old mexican J bass I that I had as a teenager. Everyting sounded great even without changing the pickups but I swapped them out for some quarter pounders.

If you want to learn bass it's a perfect instrument. I believe that you can even use it at intermediate/pro levels as with some TLC it can play like instruments that cost double the price, and with some small modifications it sounds just as good as instruments far above the price point.

If you don't believe me then hear for yourself, everything on my soundcloud is recorded with a classic vibe squier jazz five string

https://soundcloud.com/lfranco321

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Simone Poodoin
Jun 26, 2003

Che storia figata, ragazzo!



I also have that CV 5 string j. I got it recently, it was ok out of the box and it is great after a basic setup.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

tarlibone posted:

The Vox Amplugs are fine. Anyone who complains that they are hissy and don't sound good is probably also the kind of person who pulls the patty off of a McDonalds hamburger (the basic, small one), puts it on a plate, eats it with a knife and fork, and complains that it's not the nicest steak that he's ever eaten.

It's a $40 tiny little box you plug into your guitar that exists for one reason: it lets you practice with a tone that is fairly close to plugging into an amp, but you're the only one who can hear it. And, you're not tethered to a big amp with a headphone jack, or an audio interface connected to a computer. You can walk around the house, jamming, and bothering basically nobody. That's what they're for. Considering the fact that the old generation of headphone amps (Rockman, I think) tended to cost as much as cheap practice amps do now, I'm not sure how anyone is seriously complaining about them.

I dunno I had pretty low expectations and I even do most of my guitar playing with cheap headphones already, but even then I was surprised how disappointing my ac30 amplug is. Not because of any hissing or noise or whatever, but it totally murders all the character of the guitar I plug into it from like inherently bad EQ or something. Maybe if I went with a different one the higher distortion would help mask some of that but as is I don't really use it

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.
it is a tiny little box you plug into your guitar, like a tiny practice amp compared to a big ac30 amp. it’s not going to sound amazing, and it’s confusing that people expect it to

mine does exactly what i expect. it’s a little thing i don’t need a cable for, that gives me an amplified signal to practice with. it’s a slight step up from playing unamped, and nothing more

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I guess that's the point I'm getting at, I don't really use it cause to me it sounds worse than just playing it unplugged. I guess it would be useful if I had some songs where I needed to practice muting strings/noise control but otherwise I just dislike it. Very anecdotal experience though I could just have one that's lovely in a different way than other peoples' are

The Science Goy
Mar 27, 2007

Where did you learn to drive?
One downside of Amplugs - they eat through batteries like a motherfucker.

If you're on the fence about getting an interface anyway, they are useful for guitar and for bass. Get a SM57 mic and you can use the interface to record your guitar amp at pretty solid quality, and can use it to play bass with headphones (and record bass direct)

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.
i keep two spare rechargeables ready to go

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
cross-posting from the guitar thread to ruthlessly own the amplug defenders

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

A quick glance over the Vox Amplug schematic and I noticed they are using some (NJM062 and NJM2100) op-amps that have 2.5x the noise of the conventional TL07x series that is the standard today. Considering they have 4 of these gain stages in a row the noise might add up to what you are experiencing.

additionally, theres a lot more variation in these (and other) electrical components than you might expect

its very possible that some people end up with a legit practice-tool that's well worth the small price tag, while others end up with something that sucks

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004


Thanks! You've all been super helpful, I appreciate it.

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.
ngl the idea of modding this gets me a little hot n bothered

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
Lol poo poo I was the one who bitched about amplugs in the guitar thread didn't know it spread over to the bass one too. My current guess is I got the short end of the quality control stick as the tone dial is useless. It adjusts tone just fine but also adjusts hiss from tolerable to standing next to loud radio tuned to static. Quite distracting when I am trying to hear what I am playing. I keep eyeing it up on whether to take it apart, but I can't tell if its a glued together or snap together case. The is a screw in the battery compartment that's a tease though. Until then I guess I'll just deal with my bass sounding a bit muddy through it which is a shame because I was able to dial it in pretty close in sound to my full size amp, except for you know, loud hissing.

DrChu
May 14, 2002

On the opposite end of the headphone practice spectrum, I’m thinking of going for something like the Darkglass Element once it gets some non-sponsored reviews. Are there any similar products I should be looking at? I like the idea of being able to plug in and quickly set up a Bluetooth connection to play along with (if no Bluetooth a line in should be ok too), I have enough pedals for preamp purposes already.

Fierce Brosnan
Feb 16, 2010

I have seen into the future
Everyone is slightly older
If you need a headphone amp with a cab sim and aux in:
AMT Chameleon
DSM OmniCabsim Deluxe

If you don't really need the cab sim, there are plenty of options. I'd just get a cheap Zoom multi-fx (B1on, B1 Four).

Fierce Brosnan fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jul 27, 2020

Scarf
Jun 24, 2005

On sight
Everyone is pretty spot on about the Vox Amplug so far, but I wanted to throw my experience in the ring too. I'm mostly happy with mine, I primarily use it when I've got an overnight road gig and want to practice in the hotel or wherever. The only problem with mine is that the Aux input only has sound going to my left ear, regardless of different aux cords, headphones, etc. So something got hosed up in the jack itself.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
I plugged mine into my bass and yeah it’s pretty hissy.

But it also gives me a nice bass tone out of the gate. Haven’t figured out how to make my THR10 give out a nice tone, also with headphones

Hedningen
May 4, 2013

Enough sideburns to last a lifetime.
Fiddling with the pickups on my upright, and wondering if there’s a good way to blend the signals from the actual pickup (which transmits musical sounds) and the clicky (which amplifies me/the strings hitting the fingerboard) via a pedal. Right now, I have to use separate cables and it annoys me, and so is there anyone with experience in this kind of setup? Mostly want to reduce clutter/let myself use amps that don’t have two inputs.

I think a Y-cable would work, but I figure checking if anyone had experience in this. It’s the standard rockabilly/psychobilly setup for pickups, but I’ve found contradictory advice searching the net and don’t want to harm my pickup.

Rhymenoserous
May 23, 2008
Anyone got a suggestion for a cheap short scale? My T-Rex arms are doing ok so far but I think I’d enjoy it more.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Rhymenoserous posted:

Anyone got a suggestion for a cheap short scale? My T-Rex arms are doing ok so far but I think I’d enjoy it more.

the squier bronco is great

a friend suggested it to me, so i got it. the pickup is sort of weak, but it sounded good to me

ended up selling it to a friend and trying to make it work with a 34" p bass

Scarf
Jun 24, 2005

On sight
Most all violin-basses are short scale aren't they? It's not the most versatile tone, but they're super easy to play if you have short arms or, like me, smaller hands.

Also do you have a number for your budget? "Cheap" can be a bit subjective.

In the $200+ range you've also got:

Epiphone EB-0
Epiphone EB-3
Epiphone Rumblekat
Squier Classic Vibe Jaguar (it's 32" scale, so not AS short as the others, but still shorter scale than standard)

Also, and this is a question to everyone, but does Rondo still turn out decent-for-the-price instruments? Wouldn't hurt to check out RondoMusic dot com and see what they've got.

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010
There's also a sterling stingray short scale for $550.

Fierce Brosnan
Feb 16, 2010

I have seen into the future
Everyone is slightly older
Ibanez TMB30 seems like a solid retro-looking option
edit: also Gretsch G2220

Fierce Brosnan fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jul 30, 2020

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

i got this TMB30 recommendation too, didn't end up buying it tho

the Ibanez GSRM20 (mikro bass) was also suggested to me. 28.6" scale!

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I liked the tmb30 but the neck on the stingray bass felt the best out of all that I tried. If I ever get another bass I'd probably get that classic vibe jaguar

Rifter17
Mar 12, 2004
123 Not It
There might be full scale options. If the issue is that the end of the neck is too far, some basses have the bridge and leg rest positioned differently and may help with lower fret access. I'd try other shaped instruments in addition to shorter scale instruments. Then just buy a Stanley Clarke signature Alembic.

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

My bass is a short scale, gretsch jet Jr. It's great, very fun to play.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Preggo My Eggo! posted:

There's also a sterling stingray short scale for $550.

get this. I wanted to recommend sub musicman by sterling bass for the person wanting a good first bass. I'm still in love with mine.

excellent bird guy
Jan 1, 2020

by Cyrano4747

Here is my dream bass of all time. This belonged to Kevin Rutmanis, bassist for The Cows and later, The Melvins. It's a custom built clone of a Dano Longhorn, but to full scale. Love that sleezy orange sparkle. His style was he used a slide, so that weird rubbery sound fits with the look.

angry armadillo
Jul 26, 2010
I like my amplug, but I dont play that much anymore.

I have neighbours to worry about so I rarely play through an actual amp anymore

My biggest problem is I keep walking into things and breaking them - I'm on my 3rd !

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Speaking of breaking things, got drunk tonight and tried to set up my bass as a EADGB, with the expected result of my G string just flying off. For those who have tried this setup, got any particular strings to recommend?

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


Shageletic posted:

Speaking of breaking things, got drunk tonight and tried to set up my bass as a EADGB, with the expected result of my G string just flying off. For those who have tried this setup, got any particular strings to recommend?

Just get a high C and tune it down a half step

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

The Wiggly Wizard posted:

Just get a high C and tune it down a half step

In retrospect cant believe i didnt think of this

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010

Shageletic posted:

Speaking of breaking things, got drunk tonight and tried to set up my bass as a EADGB, with the expected result of my G string just flying off. For those who have tried this setup, got any particular strings to recommend?

Not a 5 string, but one of my basses is set up EBEA. It sounds like drop D tuning, only pitched up a bit. The strings are .105, 70, 60, 40 and it feels really nice.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014
Fun Shoe

Shageletic posted:

Speaking of breaking things, got drunk tonight and tried to set up my bass as a EADGB, with the expected result of my G string just flying off. For those who have tried this setup, got any particular strings to recommend?

Get a Bass VI. Squier makes (or made?) a good version. It's short scale and a little floppy, but it's a guitar minus one octave, and it's hard to play and unwieldy and unnecessary and I love it I love it I love it.

Or, there's always...

The Wiggly Wizard posted:

Just get a high C and tune it down a half step

... yeah, that also works and doesn't require the purchase of a new instrument.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Preggo My Eggo! posted:

Not a 5 string, but one of my basses is set up EBEA. It sounds like drop D tuning, only pitched up a bit. The strings are .105, 70, 60, 40 and it feels really nice.

Interesting, but why?

(Not judging, just curious. I keep my only bass in C standard so I can play Dragonaut whenever I want...)

Hedningen
May 4, 2013

Enough sideburns to last a lifetime.

Elissimpark posted:

Interesting, but why?

(Not judging, just curious. I keep my only bass in C standard so I can play Dragonaut whenever I want...)

Wow, I have the exact same reasoning behind keeping a bass set up in C standard.

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
I always keep at least one stringed instrument tuned to C cos it makes noodling on keyboard along with it soooo much easier.
Except now my keyboard is an NI M32 which starts at... F :argh:
To be more bass focused, I recorded my friend playing guitar and it was up to me to supply the bass- I haven't properly written a bassline in yonks, it was so nice.
I currently only have a five string and as the song was a thrash crossover thing in E the low B was ringing like a mofo so I applied some ingenuity (excuse the terrible photo):


The rizla pack ended up at the 14th fret eventually but combined with the wrap behind the nut did the DIY mute trick nicely

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

NonzeroCircle posted:

I always keep at least one stringed instrument tuned to C cos it makes noodling on keyboard along with it soooo much easier.
Except now my keyboard is an NI M32 which starts at... F :argh:
To be more bass focused, I recorded my friend playing guitar and it was up to me to supply the bass- I haven't properly written a bassline in yonks, it was so nice.
I currently only have a five string and as the song was a thrash crossover thing in E the low B was ringing like a mofo so I applied some ingenuity (excuse the terrible photo):


The rizla pack ended up at the 14th fret eventually but combined with the wrap behind the nut did the DIY mute trick nicely

A trick I've been adopting is to use the low B string as much as possible when playing with a guitar in standard, which usually means that the bass is two octaves below the guitar part. It makes everything sound super heavy, give it a shot

Edit; here's an example where I gently caress up and completely violate bass101 by not playing along with the kick drum but you get the idea

https://soundcloud.com/lfranco321/ola-weekly-challenge-9

Spanish Manlove fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Aug 8, 2020

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
Nice! What guage do you use for that? My 130 gets all saggy at anything below A
I did then rewrite the part anyway to make use of the fifth string in parts (lowest note was a C).
I'm way too outta practice on bass to just string skip the poo poo out of the main riffs playing E at the fifth fret, something I need to address really. The main offender was a 16th note biddly biddly diminished thing so bouncing around the open E was definitely path of least resistance for that.
Apparently the bassist in his usual band (also thrash crossover stuff) never ever plays above the fifth fret and string skips everything constantly, then wonders why the guitarists struggle when he writes techy stuff. I never noticed this before despite having watched them dozens of times and now I'm gonna be eyeballing the bassist next time I see them/they do another stream set.

NonzeroCircle fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Aug 8, 2020

BDA
Dec 10, 2007

Extremely grim and evil.

Spanish Manlove posted:

A trick I've been adopting is to use the low B string as much as possible when playing with a guitar in standard, which usually means that the bass is two octaves below the guitar part. It makes everything sound super heavy, give it a shot
Cattle Decapitation does a variation on this trick where the guitarist is a 6-string in standard while the bass is a 5-string in drop A. The guitar will play fourths on the bottom two strings while the bass plays on its low A string; the result sounds super deep but still tight.

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Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010

Elissimpark posted:

Interesting, but why?

(Not judging, just curious. I keep my only bass in C standard so I can play Dragonaut whenever I want...)

Well one evening I was drunk, thought about playing in drop D but higher pitch, and bought some strings to see what it's like!

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