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China is a great promoter of ethnic minorities' rights to wear traditional outfits, made with the same quality as a child's Halloween costume, while performing hilaaarious novelty food preparations to the tune of deafening techno music on crowded tourist streets that are identical in every single tier 4 travel destination.
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Usually when people get into the reeds about really defining genocide, they make the hard/soft distinction. With hard genocide, it's what you immediately expect, physically trying to destroy the people. Just immediately killing them is hard and complictated, so usually it's done piecemeal, bit by bit. Mass incarceration, forcible marginalization, and removing a number of basic freedoms are usually stepping stones on the way to that, but there's also a certain accusation of intent in there, which is harder to prove. Certainly it seems like there's a lot of central organization from the government, and if they're not specifically trying to kill them all off, they don't really seem that concerned with keeping them alive. Soft genocide is a little more abstract, but more immediately evident. That's the idea of taking whatever distinguishes a people as culturally distinct and eliminating that. I think we've definitely seen the attempt to do that, with things like destroying mosques and punishing people for practicing their religion. Also that may be one of the implications of reeducation camps. There's also the forced sterilization, which I think qualifies as hard genocide, but in a less violent way, so maybe it's soft-ish. I don't think the treatment of the Uighurs is the only bad thing that the Chinese government has done, but it sure seems like one of the worst.
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Aug 8, 2020 02:51
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The Chinese government literally admitted to assigning Han men to And they are systematically sterilizing the women in and out of their "labor camps." How high must the bar be if you don't think there's a genocide going on?
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Aug 8, 2020 04:16
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Abducting native children and putting them into whites houses to learn to be Americans / Australians etc is what I see as most comparable to china. They have gigantic boarding schools which are trying to eradicate cultural identity and religious identity in whole. The Nazis ramped up their killing as the war turned more and more sour and more fanatical in nature. China doesn't have enemies at the borders growing stronger or weaker by the day. They aren't in a shooting war with anyone. So they can do this little ethnic disintegration without needing to actually kill people in droves as fast as possible. In 20 years there will be no uighurs. They will be a museum piece to be studied by Chinese socialist scholars and taught as a "primitive society" that china "helped civilize and incorporate into the Chinese way of life " You already see it in Xinjiang. Chinese tourists come to see the mosques and eat uighurs food etc. But like America does with immigrant foods it will be seen as a tourist attraction of a culture. So no, is it a holocaust straight up Treblinka style? no. I will quote Himmers Education Plan for Poland post war, because his quote embodies the Xinjiang situation In a not equal but similar manner. For the non-German population of the East there can be no type of school above the four-grade rudimentary school. The job of these schools should be confined to the teaching of counting (no higher than up to 500), the writing of one's name, and the teaching that God's commandment means obedience to the Germans, honesty, industry and politeness. Reading I do not consider essential. These camps are in themselves a method to cut the future generations off from the past ones. Children are in their own camps forced to learn Chinese and swear allegiance to china, and live like a good Chinese person. Anyone who's too old or too dissident to learn the way of China is either confined permanently, executed, or extracted. While this is going on you also have big data playing a part. With all these people in the camps being forced to give dna urine blood skin etc samples donors can be paired up to loyal members of the PRC. here's the cool part, uighurs families get preferential treatment dependent on the detainees organ donations. The CCP will not gently caress with your dad's cutlery shop as long as he COMPLIES and you give a loyal and influential orc member your liver or kidneys.
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Aug 8, 2020 06:28
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Nah, in 20 years there will be half Uighur children in traditional Uighur costumes in a Uighur village doing a Uighur dance so China can convince themselves that they never killed off the Uighurs but instead educated the terrorist out of them, and that re-education is a success story for use on HK and Taiwan
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Aug 8, 2020 07:01
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so basically the equivalent of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWjGteDg9VE
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Aug 8, 2020 07:44
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm 100% sure China isn't being entirely up front about what they're doing in Xinjiang and I'm sure they are doing lots of overreaching brutality but honestly calling it a genocide comparable to the holocaust is ridiculous. Just stop doing separatist things like having a beard.* lol you are insane * Literally one of the many reasons for getting disappeared (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 8, 2020 11:09
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Sterilizing women is just one of the many ways how the CCP protects Uighurs as a minority!
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Aug 8, 2020 11:11
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"Setting up a system to rape women is just a slightly harsh police operation" - Completely Sane Forums Poster Thomas Paine
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Aug 8, 2020 11:13
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Haramstufe Rot posted:Just stop doing separatist things like having a beard.* *Stops drinking and smoking, wakes up handcuffed to a bed with a loudspeaker blasting something about east Turkistan* this is ok
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Aug 8, 2020 12:11
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What China is doing is much smarter than using gas chambers, and perhaps more insidious, because it convinces a large number of credulous idiots (see: this thread) that what they're doing isn't really too bad, it's just quite bad when you think about it, but stop thinking about it, because hey haven't you heard about poverty alleviation and what about the USA and all the bad things they do?!?!
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Aug 8, 2020 12:34
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Haramstufe Rot posted:"Setting up a system to rape women is just a slightly harsh police operation" - Completely Sane Forums Poster Thomas Paine That's Dr Thomas Paine il have you know! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Haramstufe Rot posted:"Setting up a system to rape women is just a slightly harsh police operation" - Completely Sane Forums Poster Thomas Paine Go have a lie down, OP Repeating spurious accusations with zero actual evidence to create an admittedly impressive strawman is pretty pointless and, more damning, extremely loving tedious and dull. I'm not even particularly pro-China on this. Fumble posted:That's Dr Thomas Paine il have you know! Wtf? ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Aug 8, 2020 |
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Aug 8, 2020 14:21
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https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1291808681110253568 As I figured, China would prefer the return to normalcy and relative stability Biden would brings, even if he's more consistent in pursuing policies detrimental to China.
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Aug 8, 2020 16:55
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Super cool that mocking people for trying to mitigate genocide is probatable.
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Aug 9, 2020 22:55
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who here speaks any kind of chinese language or has lived in china
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Aug 9, 2020 23:19
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I am a Huawei designed AI program and I do reside in China. You can converse with me in Chinese and practice your putonghua Xiexie.
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Aug 9, 2020 23:38
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Fojar38 posted:Super cool that mocking people for trying to mitigate genocide is probatable. Genocide committed by America = bad Genocide committed by CCP = well how do we really know if there is genocide? Its just such a complicated subject and there are so many sides. Oh well.
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Aug 9, 2020 23:47
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unbutthurtable posted:who here speaks any kind of chinese language or has lived in china I spent about six months on the mainland before moving to Taipei to study Mandarin full time for about a year and a half, which gives me a good base of experience to say the CCP chugs donkey balls.
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Aug 9, 2020 23:49
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Franks Happy Place posted:I spent about six months on the mainland before moving to Taipei to study Mandarin full time for about a year and a half, which gives me a good base of experience to say the CCP chugs donkey balls. The 610 Office will hear about this discrepancy in your thoughts process, comrade. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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Aug 10, 2020 00:42
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big “technically it’s just sparkling ethnic cleansing” vibes ITT.Raenir Salazar posted:https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1291808681110253568 I am surprised by this tbh, and wonder if some of it it just the Trump admin flattering themselves with how STRONG and TUFF they have been on China. I know that if I’m the CCP, I would consider the last 3.5 years to have been a godsend for me, making America look massively incompetent and untrustworthy to any nation that may have been on the fence between the two blocs. Trump also helps hugely with their domestic efforts to portray democracy as unstable and chaotic. Fill Baptismal fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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Aug 10, 2020 05:22
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unbutthurtable posted:who here speaks any kind of chinese language or has lived in china Do you need something or is it just a kinda general question to get a feel of the thread? I studied Chinese for a year at big local state university that I've probably already given away in other posts, and I've been living in China since then. I think stephenthinkpad is a native speaker. There are probably a few others I cant remember. BrainDance fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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Aug 10, 2020 05:33
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Still Dismal posted:I am surprised by this tbh, and wonder if some of it it just the Trump admin flattering themselves with how STRONG and TUFF they have been on China. I know that if I’m the CCP, I would consider the last 3.5 years to have been a godsend for me, making America look massively incompetent and untrustworthy to any nation that may have been on the fence between the two blocs. Trump also helps hugely with their domestic efforts to portray democracy as unstable and chaotic. There's also been a trade war for a year and a half that's disrupted Chinese manufacturing, supply chains and markets, and given the high amount of trade between the US and China, the Chinese government probably wants that sort of thing to get back to normal so that they can buy our soybeans and lumber and sell us washing machines and solar panels. I mean, in 2017, we exported $130 billion to China and imported $505 billion. In 2019, that was down to $106.5 billion and $451.6 billion. I've got to think the Chinese government isn't all that fond of that.
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Is there some truth to this? https://www.state.gov/designation-o...esignation-act/ quote:Today, the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) designated one of the most significant drug traffickers in the world – Chinese national Zhang Taotao. Zhang and Hong Kong-based entity Allyrise Technology Group Co., Limited, were designated pursuant to the Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act (Kingpin Act) for their role in international drug trafficking. Today’s action is part of a continued whole-of-government effort to combat the illegal production and trafficking of fentanyl and other synthetic opioids from the PRC, which have claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans.
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Aug 25, 2020 23:33
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adoration for none posted:Is there some truth to this? Which part? China and Amsterdam have both been very active in the synthetic drug game for a long time. Spice etc come from Chinese labs because of the more lax laws for research drugs. Honestly you should ask TCC about this as it's a pretty intricate issues but yes it is true, in china you can have a lab manufacture precursor drugs that aren't legal in the US
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Aug 26, 2020 00:34
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Drug enforcement is also surprisingly very lax in China unless it's something super obvious like kilos of coke or something similar. There'll be busts of street users and dealers every so often but they almost always target foreigners or people who didn't pay the right people to look the other way. You used to be able to get sudafed no questions asked until around 2012 and that was around the time meth took off. It's most likely true but I don't think much will happen unless the authorities find out he was selling stuff for illicit purposes internally. He'll say it's not true, grease some palms, and go about his business while probably cutting back on exporting research chemicals at the request of the government. If people had died in China or it had been a very public scandal involving non-illicit sales, he probably would be getting a trip to the lethal injection van. I don't know what the drug of choice is in China today but for a while it was ketamine and meth had been growing in popularity with overnight and factory workers. I don't think there's a big demand for fentanyl based on Chinese perceptions of pharmaceuticals and "western medicine" for pain management.
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Aug 26, 2020 16:58
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Which part? China and Amsterdam have both been very active in the synthetic drug game for a long time. Spice etc come from Chinese labs because of the more lax laws for research drugs. Honestly you should ask TCC about this as it's a pretty intricate issues but yes it is true, in china you can have a lab manufacture precursor drugs that aren't legal in the US It’s 100% true. You can absolutely do it and people in TCC have done it.
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Aug 26, 2020 17:00
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Most gray market research chemicals sold online are bought in bulk from China, it's a huge huge business.
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I've had a theory that china allows all of this because it's revenge on the west for the opium wars. We tried to enslave china via drugs and now the same is happening to us. Not the enslavement part but the drug distributing part, China benefits from allowing companies inside china to sell drugs to the us and Europe through the turmoil said practice causes. China also has the most exports to the US which gives them a vast network of potential distribution points. Drugs provide sovereign nation's with black money to do things they otherwise couldn't, while inadvertantly in the case of Fentanyl meth and heroin causing turmoil to rival nation's domestic front. The war on drugs has been major failure if american foreign and domestic policy for dozens of years Here's the other thing, Drug cartels need a method of banking that can be utilized. The London banking system provides this by allowing you to get off Scott free aslong as taxes are paid. Funny enough Hong Kong provides a way into the London banking system for Chinese companies to get those sweet sweet Western assets like London and SF properties etc. So this is all over the place and I don't expect anyone who isn't already familiar with some of this to put it all together. But china provides safe haven to Latin African and Asian drug cartels via judicial free manufacturing and established laundering services for the money. While I specifically say Latin African and Asian drug cartels this includes NA and EU cartels because they work in tandem with their south of the equator brothers because again, lax or non existent government's allow you to manufacture and distribute with much less stress than you would by doing so in a country where the DEA can operate freely. Yes you'll see one of these cases every now and again or a Chinese national getting arrested or jailed due to drug trafficking but these are mostly pawns being traded in The grand game. Trump says we will do the trade deal but I need a pound of flesh in the form of a major drug trafficker or a big property / drug seizure so the war on drugs can keep going and china provides. Now, for the expected attacks: this is not a point against china. the US is just as deep in the drug trade as china is if not moreso. We've been that way for dozens of years even before Iran contra so the whataboutism is not needed. I know this isn't a single country issue and not is this race related in any way.
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US has been exposed funding last year's hong kong protests
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Aug 28, 2020 18:07
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I participated in some of the protests in HK just because it felt like the right thing to do, but now if I find the urge to get disappeared go back to a protest there I'll be painted as a Government operative or something. Cool, cool.
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Aug 28, 2020 18:14
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That's a few months old at this point. I'm not sure how many protestors $12million buys but I doubt it's very much in the long run.
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Aug 28, 2020 18:31
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U.S. has done this many times in the past so it's not that surprising.Not So Fast posted:That's a few months old at this point. I'm not sure how many protestors $12million buys but I doubt it's very much in the long run. Usually when a party i funding a protest it doesn't mean that they pay the protesters directly, it's more a propaganda effort to make people willing to protest in the first place or maybe stoke the fire. I also think this protest caught on to a much greater degree than the U.S. expected. I might have misunderstood your post and if that's the case I apologize
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It’s true that lots of fentanyl and precursors that end up in the veins of Americans originate in China, but that’s not revenge for the opium wars or anything, just a result of enforcement on many things in China being extremely lax, especially on stuff that Beijing doesn’t see as “their problem”. It’s the kind of thing where better diplomatic relations could probably result in more coordination between DEA and Chinese authorities and probably make some kind of dent in it, but that’s out the window for the foreseeable future.
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You may be familiar with the filler word "na-ge" (那个) which is said by Chinese speakers, and how it has a peculiar resemblance to the n-word in pronunciation. I'm black, and I remember the first time I heard this word in college. Some Chinese students were saying it and I really had to do a double-take to understand that they weren't calling me the n-word. Once I figured out, I wasn't bothered, maybe more amused. Somewhat understandingly though, not everybody has calm, rational responses to hearing this word spoken and reactions have ranged from people starting fights in public to a professor getting suspended from his job for saying it in a course. This is kind of an interesting problem. The n-word is probably the most offensive slur you can say here in the US, but obviously Chinese speakers should not need to be afraid of speaking their own language in public. Should Chinese speakers stop saying that word in particular, or should people be made more aware of this particular cultural disconnect and just let live? I'm not sure what's the best option. E: I also feel like I may have brought this up before, sorry if I have. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 20:54
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People need to be aware that there are words in other languages that sound like something offensive but aren’t. Black in Spanish is the same. The professor one is pretty funny ( not really) because the transcript on the side literally shows the word written out as he’s saying it. The school doubling down by calling it hate speech is pretty wtf.
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Sep 11, 2020 20:59
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Yeah upon further reflection I agree USC totally bungled this, they should have stood behind the professor and tried to clear up the misunderstanding. The decision they decided to take helps nobody.
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I first head about na ge from Russel Peters' standup.
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