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the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
Uber is uber :shrug: I prioritize people who are getting things done but if they're all topped up I will switch to anyone who's not full. I am bad at medic and need to shave off as much time to charge as I can.

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Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006

ArfJason posted:

revel in it. enjoy how mad you just made that guy.


alternatively mute him. it doesnt solve the root cause of racism and or homophobia but it means you wont get to see it.

Oh I don’t really care, just prefer people get mad without the slurs. I’m a straight white dude so none of it is really attacking me, but if there’s a gay or POC on the server and they are going nuts in might affect them, which is lovely.

Usually when it happens I don’t say anything in chat and purposefully target the person just because it’s amazing that people get so mad about something so inconsequential. Like I’m decent at the game but I get poo poo on in some of the better pubs by certain players. There is just nothing you can do but try a different strategy and hope for the best.

Girbot
Jan 13, 2009

Ariong posted:

:siren:Fun Police Spotted:siren:

I assume this is at least partially in jest, but I'm just prioritizing the fun of many over the few. Like I said, I don't call a votekick on them.

Plenty of trade, dm, or hightower servers to go to if you wanna just dick around. Incentivizing people to play Team Fortress 2 as a team isn't fun policing.

Oxygenpoisoning posted:

I feel like any semi competitive community server is going to have ragers. A lot of people are immature and get upset over the drop of a hate. Uncletopia at least kicks people who say slurs, but I’m not expecting not to be told I’m bad or a try hard if I kill someone. It’s not perfect for sure, but I’m not expecting perfect from people either, just not absolute cesspools.

Give it a little time for regulars to establish. I'm close friends with the mods and we don't tolerate that kind of poo poo from teammates in casual and drop them when we have the votes to. Pazer, camp3r, and roto are good people and since they have the power to they will keep the server clean if they know about abuse. Join the discord if it becomes a persistent issue and bring it up to them.

Girbot fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Aug 10, 2020

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006

Girbot posted:

Give it a little time for regulars to establish. I'm close friends with the mods and we don't tolerate that kind of poo poo from teammates in casual and drop them when we have the votes to. Pazer, camp3r, and roto are good people and since they have the power to they will keep the server clean if they know about abuse. Join the discord if it becomes a persistent issue and bring it up to them.

Like I said, it’s nothing major and I’ve been happy (when it’s not full and I can play). I already in the discord and I wouldn’t have recommended it otherwise. Creators was decent play wise but had the actual problems with slurs, but it seems better since the recent changes too.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

Girbot posted:

I assume this is at least partially in jest, but I'm just prioritizing the fun of many over the few. Like I said, I don't call a votekick on them.

Plenty of trade, dm, or hightower servers to go to if you wanna just dick around. Incentivizing people to play Team Fortress 2 as a team isn't fun policing.

You're literally telling people how to have fun and punishing people who are having fun in a way you consider to be incorrect. That is the definition of fun policing.

EDIT: Please tell me you’re at least doing this video game seriousness inspector bit in competitive and not casual.

Ariong fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Aug 10, 2020

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


Ariong posted:

You're literally telling people how to have fun and punishing people who are having fun in a way you consider to be incorrect. That is the definition of fun policing.

EDIT: Please tell me you’re at least doing this video game seriousness inspector bit in competitive and not casual.

Uhhhhhh...

Sounds like you're raging out on the guy for trying to have... fun?

Girbot
Jan 13, 2009

Ariong posted:

You're literally telling people how to have fun and punishing people who are having fun in a way you consider to be incorrect. That is the definition of fun policing.

EDIT: Please tell me you’re at least doing this video game seriousness inspector bit in competitive and not casual.

1 person is entitled to me playing a certain way and healing them but 11 others aren't entitled to that player contributing to the team. I'm the rear end in a top hat, got it.

Otacon posted:

Uhhhhhh...

Sounds like you're raging out on the guy for trying to have... fun?

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
I will continue to topfrag with the huntsman even without you healing me, tbqh.

Girbot
Jan 13, 2009
I don't consider the huntsman to be a meme loadout so :shrug:

Also, remember to divide your score by two at the end unless you really are just counting frags on the final scorecard.

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


Girbot posted:

1 person is entitled to me playing a certain way and healing them but 11 others aren't entitled to that player contributing to the team. I'm the rear end in a top hat, got it.

I bet you even have more fun when your team wins, FOR SHAME!

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012

Get bashed, platonist!

Otacon posted:

Uhhhhhh...

Sounds like you're raging out on the guy for trying to have... fun?

Telling other people how to play the game is lame as hell. That’s all I’m saying.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
Way I see it comes down to what the rest of the server is doing, if everyone is being silly then you might as well just join in if you don't want to find another server

Girbot
Jan 13, 2009

Ariong posted:

Telling other people how to play the game is lame as hell. That's all I'm saying.

:stare:

Solanumai
Mar 26, 2006

It's shrine maiden, not shrine maid!
I approach every game of casual queue with the mindset that I'm probably going to be dropped on a team with 5 snipers and I might as well be the 6th at that point and maybe use the piss gun or something.

I heal demoknights when I'm medic because guy with 300hp swinging a random crit pan or super long sword around is not something to be hosed with.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Girbot posted:

I don't consider the huntsman to be a meme loadout so :shrug:

Also, remember to divide your score by two at the end unless you really are just counting frags on the final scorecard.

SMG finishes don't give double score.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Shere posted:

I approach every game of casual queue with the mindset that I'm probably going to be dropped on a team with 5 snipers and I might as well be the 6th at that point and maybe use the piss gun or something.

I heal demoknights when I'm medic because guy with 300hp swinging a random crit pan or super long sword around is not something to be hosed with.

As was demonstrated quite well in How It Feels To Play Demo-Man

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I can't comprehend getting genuinely Mad At Video Games in TF2 of all things. The game is a giant slapstick joke about sociopathic idiots fighting over gravel and getting mad at it in any way seems to require taking the setting too seriously

sockpuppetclock
Sep 12, 2010
"How it feels to play medic" already exists and it is truly something to be felt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07oKaWzJ13Q

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

🔊😴

Jabor posted:

SMG finishes don't give double score.

Neither do pissgun bodyshots (do pissgun minicrit headshots give you the bonus point?)

Girbot
Jan 13, 2009

Baron von Eevl posted:

(do pissgun minicrit headshots give you the bonus point?)

It's half a point, and yes, they do.

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
I have been playing nonstop since reinstalling on July 30th and even if not the heyday of a few years ago, this is still one of the best games ever made.
I always get into a game fast and I can still do well or poor as there are still so many different kinds of players.

Are there any other 13 year old games like this?

(also the haunted ghosts weapon skin rules)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Jabor posted:

SMG finishes don't give double score.

I read that as SuperMechagodzilla, this forum has broken me.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
TF2 is one of those games that I always have installed on my computer almost out of principle. It brought me so much joy throughout the years, I always want to have it ready if I decide I want another go.

Also MvM is very fun IMO.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Started playing again this week for the first time in years, though I've been keeping an eye on it this whole time (by which I mean, reading this thread).

It's weird coming back after so long! It's interesting how they've tried to make matchmaking more like old servers (with the "next map" vote), though it still feels way more impersonal. I still think the ability to switch teams was a positive for the game.

There are even weapons I'm not familiar with, from the "Jungle Inferno" update, and I missed a bunch of balance patches. I think the "panic attack" became a completely different gun like two or three times, right?

I'm surprised the "competitive matchmaking" enforces 6v6 but doesn't have a highlander mode. I feel like highlander is a more attractive-to-the-masses mode, and a nice halfway point between the seriousness levels of 6v6 and just tryharding in casual games. I imagine a lot of people dipping their toes into that mode give up quickly because they're not allowed to play Pyro or something.


...anyway, I know it hasn't been too long since someone asked this, but it's hard to search and circumstances seem to change pretty quickly. What are some decent community servers these days? I saw one or two goon servers going up as pandemic lockdown started, but I think they died right?

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Aug 11, 2020

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...
So I tried to see if I could join a PASS Time game today, and surprisingly, I managed to find a game. Tried messing around with Sniper and Spy before I decided to go Scout like everyone else.

I figured the mode was bad, since so few people play it (the alternative game modes don't seem to be too active), but it was honestly pretty fun...or at least I had fun. Playing as the Scout with the Shortstop, I got a ton of kills and managed to score the round-winning goal.

I was hoping to work my way towards getting the Pass Time achievement (win 10 rounds), but I guess someone got pissed at me for one reason or another, and they started a vote to kick me from the game, which succeeded. :salt:

-

I wanted to do the Merasmus Tune achievement, but from what I've heard and read, it basically requires you to convince the whole server to coordinate.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE

Ditocoaf posted:

I'm surprised the "competitive matchmaking" enforces 6v6 but doesn't have a highlander mode. I feel like highlander is a more attractive-to-the-masses mode, and a nice halfway point between the seriousness levels of 6v6 and just tryharding in casual games. I imagine a lot of people dipping their toes into that mode give up quickly because they're not allowed to play Pyro or something.

community competitive also usually has a weapon ban list the size of siberia so really the official comp mode satisfied absolutely nobody, it was absolutely predictable that nobody played it

I personally thought that highlander would have been a much better "casual competitive" mode for the masses as well - and the higher player count and broader classes mean that the cheeseball weapons are not as obnoxious.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Valve were probably worried that having to find two people of each specific class would make queue times obnoxious, and just throwing everyone in first-in-first-served on class choices would lead to a lot of toxicity when people couldn't play their preferred class.

They were probably right.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
ranked matchmaking is always toxic, valve would know considering they own dota

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Peanut President posted:

ranked matchmaking is always toxic, valve would know considering they own dota

Honestly it's only really that way in a team context if one's ranking is reliant on how one's team performs, ideally it would only take into account personal performance for that kind of thing, or at least for the parts the player is shown, or even better everything relating to ranking is kept hidden and is used purely in the background for matchmaking purposes

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 21, 2006

Paul MaudDib posted:

community competitive also usually has a weapon ban list the size of siberia so really the official comp mode satisfied absolutely nobody, it was absolutely predictable that nobody played it

I personally thought that highlander would have been a much better "casual competitive" mode for the masses as well - and the higher player count and broader classes mean that the cheeseball weapons are not as obnoxious.

The whitelist in 6s is pretty broad compared to what it used to be. https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Competitive_item_restrictions

The real problems with Comp is too many ranks for so few people, map rotation being maps that aren’t played in comp, the ELO not working to where people can win multiple maps without any gain in rank, among other things (cough hackers cough). It was also too little too late so no one jumped off pugchamp or other pug networks since they are already what the community plays.

Highlander is just too many people with too many restrictions on what to play. You end up with what is essentially Overwatch role queque, but for 9 classes. You’ll have a lot more spies and snipers waiting than anything.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
I am still mad that valve killed the wealth of 20/24 population gravelpit and dustbowl and foundry valve serves for parity with overwatch

somepartsareme
Mar 10, 2012

Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

Oxygenpoisoning posted:

The whitelist in 6s is pretty broad compared to what it used to be. https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Competitive_item_restrictions

Why are certain taunts banned?

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

somepartsareme posted:

Why are certain taunts banned?

The held taunts let you use the third-person camera to see around corners without exposing yourself, which can be useful in certain scenarios. (The regular taunts let you do that too, but then you're locked into the taunt animation for a fixed length of time).

They're also rare and expensive, so it doesn't matter how minuscule the potential advantage is, any advantage at all over the stock taunts is enough to get them banned for pay-to-win reasons.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
You could watch sticky traps and perfectly det them from behind a wall.

Girbot
Jan 13, 2009

Jippa posted:

You could watch sticky traps and perfectly det them from behind a wall.

That's been patched out, you can't detonate stickies while taunting anymore. But you can still get valuable information by taunting behind a wall and control when you end a taunt with the perpetual taunts, which is why they're still banned.

harrygomm
Oct 19, 2004

can u run n jump?
.

harrygomm fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Jan 28, 2021

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

Girbot posted:

That's been patched out, you can't detonate stickies while taunting anymore. But you can still get valuable information by taunting behind a wall and control when you end a taunt with the perpetual taunts, which is why they're still banned.

The fact that you can't explode your stickies while saying "Ka-BEWM" is a travesty and I hate it.

Bluff Buster
Oct 26, 2011

For real. They should just restrict it only to taunts that can last indefinitely.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine
Honestly it's never really felt like it gives a big enough advantage to be worth banning, at the very least they should allow them to be used before the matches start when everyone is getting ready and after the match has ended

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Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...
Marketplace.TF updated their blog today with this announcement:

Marketplace.TF posted:

tl;dr: From December 15th 2020, it will no longer be possible to sell items on Marketplace.tf. Marketplace will still exist, but will only sell items from a small list of hand-selected sellers.



In 2017, we opened the Seller Program to provide the TF2 community with a safe, risk-free environment to trade their items. Our goal was simple, but the task was not. Since that time, we have experienced ever-increasing levels of fraudulent payments, account hijacking attempts, elaborate schemes to scam us via our support system, DDoS attacks, and more. We have witnessed groups of people attempt to manipulate the market by bullying and harassing others into changing their prices. We have seen users' Steam accounts be hijacked at increasing rates in attempts to steal items that they have deposited to Marketplace. In recent months, the TF2 Inventory APIs have also become increasingly unstable and unavailable.

These issues are not necessarily new, and we have done our best to tackle them for some time. Individually, they are not particularly cataclysmic; they are, in many ways, simply "the cost of doing business." However, their combined effect is becoming overwhelming, and we no longer feel that we can continue to operate in the same way. The net gain from the Seller Program is, unfortunately, not sufficient for the toll that having it extracts. To put it simply, it is too much. For these reasons and more, effective immediately, we will no longer be allowing new sellers to sign up. Although there is no immediate impact on existing sellers, we will be removing the ability to sell items on Marketplace on December 15th, save for a (quite small) whitelist of people.

We have not come to this decision lightly, and there are a great number of factors going into it. Ultimately, we feel this is the most responsible and reasonable decision, but we also recognize the issues with a sudden, unannounced closure of the program. In light of that, we will be leaving the Seller Program open (to those who have already signed up) until December 15th, which we hope gives you ample time to prepare and not feel as if this is too sudden or without warning.

Neither Valve nor any other entity is "forcing" this upon us; it is entirely our own decision. Although Marketplace is certainly the largest website on which TF2 items may be bought and sold, it is not the only one; and we see no reason that a new, high-quality platform could not take its place.

I don't totally grasp everything said here, but if they're going to restrict seller to hand-picked few, I imagine that there's going to drive the price of items up.

Are there any other legit sites that sell TF2 items? I know there's Scrap.TF, but it's the same entity as Marketplace.TF.

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