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NerdyMcNerdNerd
Aug 3, 2004
Rich folk are statistically less likely to be infected due to being a vastly smaller part of the population with generally better health and the option for dramatically less exposure than the serfs so yeah they aren't going to feel poo poo.

It'd be pretty great if there was a significant outbreak among people in positions of power that did some damage because it might scare the poo poo out of them

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Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:

Rich folk are statistically less likely to be infected due to being a vastly smaller part of the population with generally better health and the option for dramatically less exposure than the serfs so yeah they aren't going to feel poo poo.

It'd be pretty great if there was a significant outbreak among people in positions of power that did some damage because it might scare the poo poo out of them

Exactly. More resources, less exposure, ability to make others get exposed for them, and also the super useful "Power of No." If they want to not do something dangerous, they can say "No" and it doesn't impact them in the long run. Joe Normal working two jobs can't say "no" or he and his kids go hungry. The power of no is a lot of what the lucky few people aiming for financial independence are looking for -- getting enough money put away to be able to tell other people to gently caress off without getting hurt.

Durendal
Jan 25, 2008

Who made you God to say
"I'll take your sheep from you?"



I am so grateful that Walmart is taking the pandemic seriously. You have symptoms/test positive? That’s 10 days mandatory leave with pay. They also have a team setup at regional level to deal with stores that have potential outbreaks. It’s pretty slick and I wish more companies could do the same.

NerdyMcNerdNerd
Aug 3, 2004
You know those same things that piss you off at work? You know, when your manager gives you some impossible job, within some impossible time frame, and you can explain to them why it's impossible but they refuse to listen because they refuse to realize/admit they're wrong, are convinced they're right, or don't care?

Yeah politics works the same way

The people making stupid, lovely decisions ( managers / wealthy / w/e ) are so far removed from the consequences that they don't realize or care. I saw a stupid stub of an article thing yesterday that said 'Bill Gates thinks pizza rolls cost 20 dollars a box' and yeah that except they all do things that impact your life on a daily basis

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Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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Please do never stop the cat pictures

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

stab posted:

Right but these sick people working are going to infect the rich fucks causing these conditions do they.not.get.that.

That sounds like a 'next financial quarter' problem.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
One of the cashier managers has tested positive for Covid. So are we gonna like maybe enforce the 50 person limit that has not been enforced since the first week of May? Are we gonna go harder on people not wearing masks? gently caress no, stay open and serve the plague walkers you peasant!

E: Also I started working out.. well that may be too strong a word. I built a bench and did a few sets to test it and its been 2 days and my pecs are still sore. Makes it really hard to drive the forklift.

Leal fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Aug 6, 2020

Rainbow Knight
Apr 19, 2006

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Leal posted:

One of the cashier managers has tested positive for Covid. So are we gonna like maybe enforce the 50 person limit that has not been enforced since the first week of May? Are we gonna go harder on people not wearing masks? gently caress no, stay open and serve the plague walkers you peasant!

E: Also I started working out.. well that may be too strong a word. I built a bench and did a few sets to test it and its been 2 days and my pecs are still sore. Makes it really hard to drive the forklift.

soon you will be able to hold the forklift in one hand

Wilekat
Sep 24, 2007

The next step is obviously to bench the forklift.

ErKeL
Jun 18, 2013
By next week you'll just be stacking empties by hand and lifting pallets into the rack with your overhead press.

KTS
Jun 22, 2004

I wax my rocket every day!
Welp, today was the first day of retail being "closed" in our stage 4 lockdown here. Carpark click & collect only and as a specialist retailer we're allowed to let business customers in to shop in store. Constant arguing with people at the door because we can't let them in, people not understanding how contactless collect is supposed to work and them wandering up trying to come in. Phones ringing non stop and a bunch of people breaking restrictions because they left getting their essential worker permits done until after they were needed. One of the most stressful days I've had at work, but it was pleasant being able to tell customers that were calling about coming in for a refund that they are allowed back in the shop again in 6 weeks so we'll see them then and not a minute sooner.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

KTS posted:

Welp, today was the first day of retail being "closed" in our stage 4 lockdown here. Carpark click & collect only and as a specialist retailer we're allowed to let business customers in to shop in store. Constant arguing with people at the door because we can't let them in, people not understanding how contactless collect is supposed to work and them wandering up trying to come in. Phones ringing non stop and a bunch of people breaking restrictions because they left getting their essential worker permits done until after they were needed. One of the most stressful days I've had at work, but it was pleasant being able to tell customers that were calling about coming in for a refund that they are allowed back in the shop again in 6 weeks so we'll see them then and not a minute sooner.

drat. What state is in a stage 4 lockdown ? I know it’s bad in a lot of them, I just didn’t think any were actually going back to that.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
Victoria, Australia. We came to within a goddamn inch of being covid free.

Then poo poo exploded and now we have a Stage 4 in Melbourne for the next 6 weeks. Everything is closed except supermarkets and petrol stations and no one is to leave their home without a mask and only one at a time and once per day.

Even places like the big hardware stores are going to be closed to the public. Tradies only.

If you're out, and not going to the supermarket, you need a special letter from your employer stating that you are essential and are on your way to work. You also need to have a copy of your schedule with you to prove it.

If you're caught breaching the lockdown, you can be hit with an on the spot $5000 fine. Yes, that's five thousand dollars.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Aug 6, 2020

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Victoria, Australia. We came to within a goddamn inch of being covid free.

Then poo poo exploded and now we have a Stage 4 in Melbourne for the next 6 weeks. Everything is closed except supermarkets and petrol stations and no one is to leave their home without a mask and only one at a time and once per day.

Even places like the big hardware stores are going to be closed to the public. Tradies only.

If you're out, and not going to the supermarket, you need a special letter from your employer stating that you are essential and are on your way to work. You also need to have a copy of your schedule with you to prove it.

If you're caught breaching the lockdown, you can be hit with an on the spot $5000 fine. Yes, that's five thousand dollars.

I....I kinda want them to do this in the States just to see the poo poo show that would happen.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

mattfl posted:

I....I kinda want them to do this in the States just to see the poo poo show that would happen.

e: irrelevant, this is not CSPAM

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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I live in Queensland, where we closed our state borders to people from Victoria and more recently New South Wales - we are more or less covid free and we want to keep it that way. For weeks the only new cases were returnees in Quarantine. Basically you need a special pass to cross the border, and there are very limited reasons why you're allowed to cross.

Up until now, Queensland residents were allowed to come back in, but you had to be placed in a forced 14 day quarantine under guard in a hotel - and pay for it yourself at a cost of $2800. These two absolute fuckwit teenagers concocted an elaborate plan to get around that - They decided to Fly to Sydney (in New South Wales) - at the time not a restricted place, and then from there drive to Melbourne in Victoria, where they hosted an illegal party with 50 people, caught corona, because Melbourne is the ground zero of the second wave and is getting hundreds of new cases per day, then snuck back into Queensland via New South Wales, lying on their border declaration to do so. They then proceeded to visit a bunch of different restaurants and shops even after getting themselves tested because they knew they were getting sick.

They became front page news and they are currently under arrest facing a maximum penalty of a $20k fine and 5 years in Prison. And now our Premier has basically said gently caress it and implemented a hard border closure with not even residents allowed to travel back in any more - only essential personnel like freight drivers and the such.

Luckily the damage from the fuckwits appears to be contained by some minor miracle - only a handful of people managed to get it, and all were tracked down and put into isolation, because we've been pretty strict about things and even though restaurants are allowed to open now they have strict rules around social distancing and max capacity and everyone who goes into a restaurant has to sign a register and provide names, addresses, phone numbers and time of entry.

I'm just glad to be in a country that hasn't hosed around with this poo poo. In Victoria where you can't leave the house without a mask; there was a viral video of this Karen who was being denied entry to a shop because she wasn't wearing a mask - screaming and carrying on about her rights .The Police rocked up and hauled her away, arresting her for being out in public without a mask.

NerdyMcNerdNerd
Aug 3, 2004

Eric the Mauve posted:

e: irrelevant, this is not CSPAM

Cat spam.



I have seized the means of original cat content production.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Cat spam is the best spam. And actually now that I think about it cats probably really like spam.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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The Lord Bude posted:

The Police rocked up and hauled her away, arresting her for being out in public without a mask.

How is it that you still somehow have a better government response than the US despite being Murdoch Central?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Volmarias posted:

How is it that you still somehow have a better government response than the US despite being Murdoch Central?

Australia practices the doctrine of "gently caress off we're full" to viruses as well as everyone/thing else.

Pentaghastly
Mar 26, 2016
I’m in self-isolation now

Told SM I had a cough (an allergy cough, but) and muscle aches (I slept funny). I’m actually okay, still not sick. Boyfriends doing a little better, he drove himself to his testing appointment and is chilling playing video games. Still keeping an eye on him because it may get worse.

Taking one for the team. Not exposing anybody and risking being asymptomatic.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Volmarias posted:

How is it that you still somehow have a better government response than the US despite being Murdoch Central?

Considering the generally awful rightwing federal government we have, it surprises even me; although we don't have an actual adult baby running the country so there's that to start with.

Then you've got the fact that very early on, after the medical experts basically put the fear of god into our Prime Minister, he did one very smart thing which was basically to gather up all the state Premiers (heads of each state) and basically form them along with himself into a single war council to hammer together a unified response. Most of the power when it comes to restrictions and stuff is state based; and several of our state Governments are left wing at the moment - they definitely pushed the issue harder; and it took way too long for the federal government to get to work on wage subsidies and the like; but in the end we got a pretty reasonable response going.

But the most important thing is this: The federal government and each state government has a chief medical officer. These positions are filled by doctors, not politicians and they are apolitical positions that provide health advice to the government. Here's the fun part: By law, they have the power to declare a biosecurity emergency; and once they do, they have almost unlimited power to order pretty much anything they want - they can have people detained, forcibly treated or vaccinated, impose restrictions on anything and everything; and there are serious criminal penalties for breaching their orders. The only limit to their power is that they have to make a statutory declaration that they believe the order they issue is medically necessary. Even the laxest states had 4 digit fines for breaching any of the restrictions that were imposed. So although the politicians were involved; and they were the ones fronting the media and announcing stuff; the reality was legally they were required to do whatever the medical experts told them to do.

But also; There's a fundamental difference in even our right wing governments vs the American right - we don't have a huge issue with religious fundamentalists, we're Murdoch central but we don't have anything remotely like fox news, where a chunk of our population lives in a bubble completely disconnected from reality (at least to the same extent - murdoch owned newspapers still put a rightwing spin on everything). We don't have the anti authority streak that you guys have; the hyperpartisanship, the same extent of state/federal rivalry. We don't have the fetishistic obsession with individual liberties that Americans have - we don't have a bill of rights - the constitution gives us a right to freedom of political expression, and prevents the government from making laws about religion but that's about it. One direct consequence of that is that our police force has considerably more powers than in the US - for example if you're in a public place the police can pretty much stop you, search you or your car, whatever they want - we conduct random breath testing here, where police set up road blocks and pull cars over at random to test the driver for drugs or alcohol. It's not always a good thing - we had a scandal in NSW recently because the police were strip searching children at music festivals to look for drugs - but it makes it easier to take a hard stance on stuff like Covid. All the states had police officers out in their thousands enforcing the law and handing out fines. Oh and our police forces are state level responsibilities not local, so in general they have better and more consistent training.

And our democracy is in much better shape because we have mandatory voting, independent bodies to run our elections and oversee electoral boundaries and the like; so there's no gerrymandering or voter suppression. The result is that extremists or lunatics like Trump can never get elected here because politics gets dragged to the centre. And then despite the fact that you guys can't manage to run fair elections, you then insist on electing everyone and everything - Judges, prosecutors, people running schools, so what should be apolitical appointments based on merit end up being political positions open to corruption and incompetence.

Then finally it seems like Americans go out of their way to decentralise everything and delegate as much power as possible to the smallest possible groupings of people which is not only hugely inefficient; but makes it easier for fringe interests to get a foothold. You have individual Mayors making their own decisions on Covid restrictions, individual school districts deciding things for themselves - we don't have school districts here; the state governments run the schools. The whole thing is a clusterfuck.

Which is all really a convoluted and longwinded way of saying: There are massive, massive, systemic issues with the US and how it's run, and in its culture; those problems have been building for a very long time and that has prevented any kind of meaningful unified approach. Trump is the worse case scenario, the final straw that revealed how broken the system is but I'm not convinced even a competent President who was attempting to act in the country's best interests could have completely averted the clusterfuck that's taken place there because all the systems are so fragmented and corrupted.

The Lord Bude fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Aug 6, 2020

Wilekat
Sep 24, 2007

Pentaghastly posted:

Taking one for the team. Not exposing anybody and risking being asymptomatic.

As hourly workers, I know it sucks having to take unpaid time off, but you're doing the right thing.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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The Lord Bude posted:

our police force has considerably more powers than in the US - for example if you're in a public place the police can pretty much stop you, search you or your car, whatever they want - we conduct random breath testing here, where police set up road blocks and pull cars over at random to test the driver for drugs or alcohol. It's not always a good thing - we had a scandal in NSW recently because the police were strip searching children at music festivals to look for drugs


No, we get that on the states too. Technically it's illegal if the police press it more than they should but realistically the worst case for them is any evidence they got is tossed while you're still in jail. We're having protests over here over the fact that it's extremely hard to even get a cop simply prosecuted for murder when they do it, in broad daylight, on duty, staring into a crowd of cameras for 10 minutes, and their nearby officers are also saying "hey, uh, you think maybe that's enough?"

quote:


Which is all really a convoluted and longwinded way of saying: There are massive, massive, systemic issues with the US and how it's run, and in its culture; those problems have been building for a very long time and that has prevented any kind of meaningful unified approach. Trump is the worse case scenario, the final straw that revealed how broken the system is but I'm not convinced even a competent President who was attempting to act in the country's best interests could have completely averted the clusterfuck that's taken place there because all the systems are so fragmented and corrupted.

Literally no response at the federal level would actually have been better than Kushner deciding that he would steal the medical supplies of Democrat leaning states and resell them, leading to the ridiculous consequence of states having to smuggle new medical equipment in and guard it with state police. It's not just that the system is broken, but that it's actively being wrecked even further before our eyes while half the country seems to cheer it on because Blue Team Bad.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Volmarias posted:


Literally no response at the federal level would actually have been better than Kushner deciding that he would steal the medical supplies of Democrat leaning states and resell them, leading to the ridiculous consequence of states having to smuggle new medical equipment in and guard it with state police. It's not just that the system is broken, but that it's actively being wrecked even further before our eyes while half the country seems to cheer it on because Blue Team Bad.

What the actual gently caress? That’s so much more awful than I could even imagine.

Pentaghastly
Mar 26, 2016

Wilekat posted:

As hourly workers, I know it sucks having to take unpaid time off, but you're doing the right thing.

I get catastrophe pay this once so I’m all good. Thanks though. Studying the blade for all those who get unpaid leave :)

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
I see a federal government job thread, do we got one for state level too? Just interviewed for a DMV. Would be a pay cut but retirement might offset that?

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
It's ironic that a country whose thing is "together we stand" and has all these different levels of government and checks and balances to keep from someone seizing the country is extremely easy to manipulate and exploit.

Also it doesn't help that Americans are really big on the letters M and E, especially together. Beyond assholes not wearing masks but I'm seeing people who are wearing masks lowering it and shoving produce right against their nose to smell it, or grabbing grapes and putting them into their mouth. Their lips. Their saliva filled mouth. Then proceed to touch stuff with their saliva coated fingers.

KTS
Jun 22, 2004

I wax my rocket every day!
Day 2 of retail lockdown was slightly calmer, still arguing with people that they can't come in and no I cant make an exception for them. Had a lady park in one of the collection bays, then place her order. And not read the emails sent to her about her order that it's on hold and under review, and she decided to call the store every 10 minutes to yell at us and abuse my team that she wants her order. In the end I gave her the product after an hour of her waiting before the order even hit the system just to shut her up and stop her calls. She tried to yell at me as well when I brought her printer out to her car but I shut that poo poo down quick and gave her a lecture about how she's done the wrong thing, she's breaching lockdown etc. Turned around and my boss was standing behind me watching this unfold, but I figured I was fine because he handballed it to me because he, and I quote "cant deal with that loving idiot anymore, go sort her out".
Got told that we would need to stand down 40% of the team BUT everyone regardless of their status was being paid for the full 6 weeks of the lockdown which is fantastic news. And then it's possibly backflipped and we dont need to stand down anyone and it's all in limbo because the big bosses can't get communication out to the stores quick enough. I may or may not have next week off, all managers were told to book a week of leave and thats in limbo as of this afternoon. It's a shambles with no direction from the higher ups right now

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
Oh hey, there’s s run on cleaning supplies, toilet paper and paper towels in my town again. :negative:

Rainbow Knight
Apr 19, 2006

We die.
We pray.
To live.
We serve

Leal posted:

It's ironic that a country whose thing is "together we stand" and has all these different levels of government and checks and balances to keep from someone seizing the country is extremely easy to manipulate and exploit.

Also it doesn't help that Americans are really big on the letters M and E, especially together. Beyond assholes not wearing masks but I'm seeing people who are wearing masks lowering it and shoving produce right against their nose to smell it, or grabbing grapes and putting them into their mouth. Their lips. Their saliva filled mouth. Then proceed to touch stuff with their saliva coated fingers.

oh yeah. and it no surprise that people are super selfish when some have to work themselves sick just to have enough for a meager life


so we have a guy come in and pick up our donations. he’s a fox news/info wars guy. so the other day my boss is like, “hey Brother Peanut are you part of the boogaloo movement?” our donations guy was like, “what’s that?”

at this point i immediately knew where this was going

“look it up,” said my boss. the next day my boss asks our Brother, “so did you look ‘em up?” the response was, “yeah they’re great.”

so my boss is creating domestic terrorists now. thanks boss.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Leal posted:

Also it doesn't help that Americans are really big on the letters M and E, especially together.

I actually don't think our schools teach about em dashes anymore.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
My day off this week was monday. Next week my only day off is thursday. With as slow as it was all week there is no reason I could've had a day off. God I hate retail, why can't our store close so I can make twice as much off unemployment staying at home and shitposting?

The Aardvark
Aug 19, 2013


I am finally released from hell. Last night was my last shift at Target.

Rainbow Knight
Apr 19, 2006

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We pray.
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The Aardvark posted:

I am finally released from hell. Last night was my last shift at Target.

so are you done with retail then?

Rainbow Knight fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Aug 9, 2020

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Love to get bitched at by the usual manager for not doing something that he never told me to do and is not part of my normal job duties

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
Another day, another Karen. Do you have any more cilantro ~*~*~*~in the back~*~*~*~*~

"Whats wrong with the 3 boxes worth on the shelf?"

Its bad

"Why is it bad?"

itmrmrm *grumble mumble* ust bad


You know what? I'm gonna waste this karen's time.

"Alright, give me a few cause since its all bad I need to send it back to the warehouse"

I take the empty crates we use to hold product while we rotate and threw all the cilantro in. Originally this was gonna be the time waster but as I went into the back room I had an idea... a devilish, fiendish idea.

I grabbed another crate and took everything into the fridge. I opened the boxes of cilantro and carefully removed the ice block layer on top and tossed all the fresher, new, better cilantro into a crate. Then I threw all the bad, nasty, OLD cilantro back in. Then put the ice block back on top then sealed the box.

"Here you go, so fresh the ice hasn't melted!"

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
When I used to work at the Sears men's department, we kept a plastic chair in the back. Whenever someone asked us to go check to see if we had something in the back, that was our cue to go take a breather for a few minutes. No sitting on the job allowed, but there was no camera in the back so we'd spend a few minutes "searching" the shelves while resting our feet. :)

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

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Good job; Karens are the finest big game on the planet. No other animal is more satisfying to hunt.

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ErKeL
Jun 18, 2013
Usually people asking me to check out the back is for stuff I can read on the symbol as having 0 stock on hand and even if we did have stock there's no way I'd be able to find it out the back unless it's listed to one of the 100+ pallets we have. But people still insist I check out there.

Right now store's closed to all customers due to covid lockdown's in Vic so online shopping online and I couldn't be happier. There's no way I'll get a shift over the next 6 weeks but I've been long saying customers shouldn't be allowed in the store.
They just gently caress it all up. They can order it online if they need it.

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