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Kidman was fantastic, I loved him in WCW. Good cruiserweight, and the way they had him win the title out of nowhere right after leaving the Flock was brilliant. He worked really well as "generic dude in street clothes who is really good at wrestling" for a while there. But what Russo tried to do with him and Hogan... well it was Russo in a nutshell is what it was. I don't really think Hogan/Kidman was ever going to be a good match - Kidman didn't have the charisma to match Hogan on the mic, and Hogan surely wasn't going to keep up with Kidman's high-flying cruiserweight style in the ring, but in a different setting, I could imagine a moderately successful program with Kidman as the underdog babyface against an unambiguously-heel Hollywood Hogan (even this is a stretch - I don't think Kidman ever had the presence to be a believable opponent for Hogan, but he was a talented guy who could have maybe had an upper-midcard run). But it definitely had no chance of working with... well, whatever the hell Russo was doing then.
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JOHN CENA posted:i think the last wcw ppv that my uncle ordered was whichever one had buff daddy vs roddy piper in a boxing match. i excused myself maybe two matches in to play pod racers 64 with my cousin instead. Bash at the beach 99. Mills Lane was the referee and they were still paying Buffer to announce.
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rujasu posted:Kidman was fantastic, I loved him in WCW. Good cruiserweight, and the way they had him win the title out of nowhere right after leaving the Flock was brilliant. He worked really well as "generic dude in street clothes who is really good at wrestling" for a while there. But, well... yeah.
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JOHN CENA posted:i think the last wcw ppv that my uncle ordered was whichever one had buff daddy vs roddy piper in a boxing match. i excused myself maybe two matches in to play pod racers 64 with my cousin instead. sebulba was overpowered. i had stopped watching nitro and thunder long before then though. i'd occasionally watch saturday night but sometime in late 1998 it just turned into a clip show, or maybe i hit a bad stretch of weeks but thats when i quit watching outright. i think goldberg's streak ending (which i didnt see, only heard about) was the first time i thought the wrestling company was stupid, rather than the wrestlers. That PPV was godawful poo poo but it did have the junkyard invitational which was probably one of the most surreal matches WCW ever produced. Luchadors and a random assortment of losers having one giant hardcore match in a junkyard ending with fit finlay climbing over a fence and a bunch of people getting injured zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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DJExile posted:they were still paying Buffer to announce. When did that end? They had to continue until close to the end, yes?
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IronCladBurrito posted:When did that end? They had to continue until close to the end, yes? And why? Did they really trick themselves into thinking he brought a certain level of prestige that they still needed until they were dead in the dirt? Or was there some inescapable contract that they couldn't get out of? I would understand bringing him in to do like, Starrcade once a year or even the main even of a bigger Nitro like the Georgia Dome one but it was wild to me how often he was there with how much he cost.
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i always thought part of the reason they hired Buffer, other than the star power he could provide, was so WWF could never use him for the Royal Rumble.
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Buffer's "let's get ready to rumbllllleeeeeee" call was ubiquitous across sports and pop culture through the mid to late 90s. I think WCW was convinced it added a certain weight and gravitas to their events.
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No idea how true it was, but I'd always heard that Buffer was paid by the spoken word. Which led to his ridiculous intros like "Ladies and gentlemen, he is the bad boy of basketball, he's so bad that he's good, and that's very bad. He is the Bad Boy Dennis Rodman"
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Bret "Hitman" Clark
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Ganso Bomb posted:And why? Did they really trick themselves into thinking he brought a certain level of prestige that they still needed until they were dead in the dirt? Or was there some inescapable contract that they couldn't get out of? I would understand bringing him in to do like, Starrcade once a year or even the main even of a bigger Nitro like the Georgia Dome one but it was wild to me how often he was there with how much he cost. He was on an annual contract for some amount of dates (I don't think it was every Nitro and PPV but it was close) and he brought some big event feeling to the show. I think his contract ran out in mid 2000, but I'm not sure. I feel like I remember a Bruce Buffer story about it being negotiated in the summer. But he was cool to have on the show when things were hot, and it wasn't a huge expense for a company making that much money, so like Hogan using Voodoo Child (Slight Return) it was cool to have. But like every big WCW contract they held onto it a little too long!
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DeathChicken posted:No idea how true it was, but I'd always heard that Buffer was paid by the spoken word. Which led to his ridiculous intros like "Ladies and gentlemen, he is the bad boy of basketball, he's so bad that he's good, and that's very bad. He is the Bad Boy Dennis Rodman" I think that turned out to be bullshit. He's almost assuredly paid by appearance. E: or what MRT said
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DeathChicken posted:No idea how true it was, but I'd always heard that Buffer was paid by the spoken word. Which led to his ridiculous intros like "Ladies and gentlemen, he is the bad boy of basketball, he's so bad that he's good, and that's very bad. He is the Bad Boy Dennis Rodman" maybe he did long ridiculous intros because his job is to entertain people. just a thought i had
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Shaking my head at no buff bagwell michael buffer tag team
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oldpainless posted:Shaking my head at no buff bagwell michael buffer tag team Buff The Stuff and Buffer The Stuffer just writes itself
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"I'm Buff and I'm in Buffalo  "
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Can we help this guy find this shirt? https://twitter.com/EverythingABong/status/1292859288654876680?s=19 He smoked weed out a fleshlight and is p cool https://twitter.com/EverythingABong/status/1291601537706405893?s=19
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Beer_Suitcase posted:Can we help this guy find this shirt? If anyone can, it's probably this guy: https://twitter.com/silvamore He pulls a lot of weird old vintage stuff out of the depths. His prices on new and old stuff can be kind of crazy at times, but if your dream is a Big Poppa Pump x Taz shirt you're probably willing to pay for it.
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ok, so I setup a twitch thing for wrestling. It turned out be a lot easier than I thought it would be. https://www.twitch.tv/classicwrestling right now its just a playlist of some old Mid-Atlantic. But you can let me know if you want to see WCW stuff or WCCW or whatever. I have all sorts of wrestling. And it can be used for people doing like simulwatching I guess, if its easier than psp-tv.
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Did they ever pull Buffer out for a Thunder? I can't imagine they ever gave enough of a poo poo about that show to do so.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Did they ever pull Buffer out for a Thunder? I can't imagine they ever gave enough of a poo poo about that show to do so. David Arquette won the world title on Thunder!
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Hedgehog Pie posted:David Arquette won the world title on Thunder! I was there. Greatest night in the history of our sport!
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Did they ever pull Buffer out for a Thunder? I can't imagine they ever gave enough of a poo poo about that show to do so. His imdb profile lists a few Thunders, all in 1998.
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MD2020 posted:His imdb profile lists a few Thunders, all in 1998. From the looks of things, these would have been the main events: June 24 - Giant and Brian Adams vs. Sting and Kevin Nash (tag team title match) October 1 - Goldberg vs. Raven (WCW title match) October 8 - Lex Luger vs. Stevie Ray October 15 - Dean Malenko vs. Stevie Ray So, you have two championship matches with at least some main-event representation... and then you have two Stevie Ray matches. I mean, I liked Stevie Ray and Dean Malenko both, but that's not a match you need to bring in Buffer for. I actually remember him calling the Luger/Ray match and saying they were "two guys who hate each other's guts" or something because there was basically nothing else he could say to build that match up. I do remember Stevie being in a lot of nWo stuff for a while there, so maybe they were trying him out for an upper-midcard push before realizing he wasn't getting over with the crowd. He was a complete afterthought just a month or two later. Having Buffer calling matches like that on Thunder may have hurt more than it helped. When you see Buffer trying to hype up Stevie Ray as the main event, it highlights how weak of a show you're watching.
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I assume that they flew him in with X match in mind for the main event and by the time he went to the ring it turned into Y match. because WCW.
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At least his fees were consistent
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Flight Bisque posted:I assume that they flew him in with X match in mind for the main event and by the time he went to the ring it turned into Y match. E: Happy Birthday Hulk! 
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Booker back there doing his best Stanley from the Office impression.
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rujasu posted:From the looks of things, these would have been the main events: Remember when Stevie Ray main event War Games in 98 with 8 of the biggest stars of the 90s and it was obvious he was going to be the guy to eat the loss as soon as he was announced for the match
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My favourite Bufferism is when he referred to Goldberg as a "cult favourite" and said his finishers were "The POWER SPEAR" and "The Inverted Lift and Body Slam and Pin".
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So some wrestlers are Stiff and it's almost a compliment. You hear a lot about Vader and Hansten being stiff and it's one of their more vaunted traits. But then others are "Stiff" and it's bad. I'm thinking mainly of Rick Steiner here thanks to a Retro podcast I'm listening to. I always heard he had a reputation for being a total ring bully and it reminded me of how he I think powerslammed Asya, the bodybuilder lady WCW brought in. Rick is a fuckin' monster and could legit hurt and beat up men twice her size and he's giving her slams when he's known for hurting people. But what's the difference her? Intent? Rick is just a shithead and wanted to hurt people? Maybe he did it to everyone, even those who "couldn't take it" while somebody like Vader was more professional? I can't imagine Vader being stiff with somebody like Michaels.
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NikkolasKing posted:So some wrestlers are Stiff and it's almost a compliment. You hear a lot about Vader and Hansten being stiff and it's one of their more vaunted traits. It's really more of a difference between "stiff" and "wreckless". You can be a stiff but good pro wrestler. Vader, Hansen, and others could work stiff but also make sure the big moves were safe. A good example was the Nitro the night after War Games '96, where Benoit and Mongo work against Luger, and Bryan Alvarez put it about perfectly. Lex is a body builder who wants to do the bare minimum to get over, he just wants to look good. Benoit makes him work a match and worked pretty stiff but obviously knew what he was doing in there. Then Mongo tags in and just fuckin' hurls Lex across the ring, Lex lands really awkwardly and it clearly hurts him. Bryan said something like "it suddenly occurs to Lex that he'd actually rather be in there against Benoit. Benoit won't injure you."
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Vader also had a reputation for feeling pretty goddamn bad if he *really* up and hurt someone. Steiners probably didn't give a poo poo
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DJExile posted:It's really more of a difference between "stiff" and "wreckless". You can be a stiff but good pro wrestler. Vader, Hansen, and others could work stiff but also make sure the big moves were safe. I wouldn't go so far as to call Hansen totally safe when he couldn't see without his glasses and just swung for the fences with his lariat anyway. Vader also had a rep for bullying jobbers, and feeling bad about it later never seemed to stop him from doing it.
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NikkolasKing posted:So some wrestlers are Stiff and it's almost a compliment. You hear a lot about Vader and Hansten being stiff and it's one of their more vaunted traits. I understand the logic here: if I hit you with my car because I wasn't paying attention, or I hit you with my car on purpose, you still get hurt. But someone trying to hurt you is generally more dangerous than someone just being rough. The Steiners bullied people in and out of the ring. Hansen and Vader were stiff because that's the style their Japanese audience wanted. Gangrel talked about having to adjust a lot when he got to WWE because he had his first real success in All Japan.
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Good stiff is hitting exactly as hard as you yourself would accept being hit, in safe places. Bad stiff is just hitting as hard as you can, getting mad if you get hit that hard yourself, or throwing people around without due care for how safely they land
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