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boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Lazyfire posted:

You know how Holocaust Poetry was a thing?

i was thinking more like the 'stiff upper lip. keep calm and carry on' thing the brits did during the blitz

stoically weeping a single tear before getting back to it type of stuff

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Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
i happen to be somewhat familiar with online schooling and i can guarantee that if teachers can't prepare ahead of time and the idea is that they can just flip a switch and have all the students just be online suddenly then the school administrators are in pure denial. it takes a lot of work ahead of time (both learning the tools and preparing the curriculum) to just have a somewhat acceptable experience. you just can't have everybody plan to come in physically and just say later 'whoops you're all online now starting next week'. well you can i suppose but it's not going to be a pleasant experience for anybody

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

Schizzy to the matic

CommissarMega posted:

Uh-huh, yeah, right. This is just setting up for Trump's loss, where Fox News can say that 'he was a loser/no true Republican', and how they were on the right side of history, 'we supported the office, not its holder' etc.

Nah, they're all in on Trump's Cöronadämmerung. Win or lose, they can milk this grievance machine for years to come.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Mozi posted:

i happen to be somewhat familiar with online schooling and i can guarantee that if teachers can't prepare ahead of time and the idea is that they can just flip a switch and have all the students just be online suddenly then the school administrators are in pure denial. it takes a lot of work ahead of time (both learning the tools and preparing the curriculum) to just have a somewhat acceptable experience. you just can't have everybody plan to come in physically and just say later 'whoops you're all online now starting next week'. well you can i suppose but it's not going to be a pleasant experience for anybody

absolutely. which is why they should have cut losses and started planning for this eventuality instead of the performative stuff they're doing

edit: the commodification of the kids is absolutely disgusting. there are currently no high school soccer tournaments or games allowed in 2020 in my county but the kids still have to start practicing next week. what other motivation besides keeping funding could there possibly be?

boar guy fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Aug 10, 2020

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

Schizzy to the matic
Great point by point takedown of the Trump Administration's virus response.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/trump-coronavirus-deaths-timeline.html

No one's mind will be changed.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

boar guy posted:

absolutely. which is why they should have cut losses and started planning for this eventuality instead of the performative stuff they're doing

i see my own habits of procrastination writ large these days and it doesn't feel great!

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

zer0spunk posted:

it's hosed up that some states (West Virginia, Kentucky, and Oklahoma) make it illegal for teachers to strike while we're back on this topic

im pretty sure the 13th amendment lets anyone strike

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Mozi posted:

i see my own habits of procrastination writ large these days and it doesn't feel great!

they didn't procrastinate, though. they made the wrong choice very quickly

Pyrtanis
Jun 30, 2007

The ghosts of our glories are gray-bearded guides
Fun Shoe
My best friend is telling me how hell it is for her two school-age kids, the eldest one's laptop keeps asking for an admin password and Zoom says "Your app version needs to be or higher to log in. Please contact your IT department." No app version actually given, just an extra space. When she called the school they just told her to log in (????), no way for her to exchange the laptop. Both kids have sensory issues and the youngest is crying because of all the jumping around Zoom does when you don't have a speaker set as primary.

I'm firmly in the will not have kids category, I feel so bad for parents dealing with this. There was no way for them to test this beforehand to work out bugs. :sigh:

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
they sort of made a choice but i see it more as choosing to remain in denial for as long as possible and put off dealing with reality until there is literally no other option

see also, climate change

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Michael Corleone posted:

B1G just cancelled football. PAC 12 is about to and the SEC wants to add more teams for this season and open er up!

There are a few places recording the Big 10 cancelling football, but no large media outlets - no networks/CNN/ESPN/etc have picked it up. They all quote "anonymous sources". I've been waiting for the meltdown when college football gets canceled, so I hope it's correct. It's the only thing that's going to give me happiness during these dark times.

Also, some of the news outlets reporting this have posted the letter Ben Sasse (R) Nebraska, noted rear end in a top hat, has sent to the Big 10 pleading for Nebraska to play football this year:
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1292830897260175360
Also, here's a :lol:worthy quote from Jim Harbaugh:

quote:

Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh made what appeared to be a last-ditch effort to reverse course Monday, issuing a statement that claimed “this virus can be controlled and handled.”

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

Rutibex posted:

im pretty sure the 13th amendment lets anyone strike

sorta, i should have worded it better...

you can strike but not in a protected fashion where there would be repercussions like losing your pension in states that deem it illegal for teachers to strike

this one talks about the specifics in texas state law if you want a more in depth answer:

https://tcta.org/node/14745-what_happens_if_texas_teachers_strike

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



How many players have gotten sick just during summer practices? I’ve lost count.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

lol from the AYSO (youth soccer) regional board:

"Hello Region XXX Families,

We know some families are eager to get back out on the field, while some are a little hesitant. Either way we understand. We want to do what is in the best interest of our families. Our game schedule for fall season will be pushed back to October 3rd. Teams will be able to start practices once all waivers and paperwork are received from teams.

The state has released an updated guidance for youth sports activities, allowing activities to resume, but with participants adhering to physical distancing and safety protocols. Participants must stay six feet from each other, and activities must take place outdoors as much as possible. Tournaments, events, and games indoors that require close contact among participants are not allowed until the state reaches the next phase of reopening.

Although the state guidelines have been established for youth sports to return to play, we still need to be awarded field permits through (town name community association). "


so...we're pushing the season back a month and a half and youre allowed to practice but we have no field permits and games and tournaments arent allowed :suicide:

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Something I'm trying to find clarification on:

Some of our guys in work tested positive, so they have been told to quarantine and can't return until we get negative tests. One of the guys has been off for a few weeks now, but went to get an antibody test rather than the nasal swab most recently and got marked as positive on this.

Everything I'm reading says this means past infection but I can't find anything that 100% clarifies this means there is definitely no active infection anymore. Anyone know if you can test positive for antibodies but still be infectious? I want him to get a regular nasal swab again just to put all doubt aside, but am hoping this means he can return to work soon.

stump collector
May 28, 2007

FlamingLiberal posted:

How many players have gotten sick just during summer practices? I’ve lost count.

hundreds to thousands

no big deal, right?

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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EL BROMANCE posted:

Something I'm trying to find clarification on:

Some of our guys in work tested positive, so they have been told to quarantine and can't return until we get negative tests. One of the guys has been off for a few weeks now, but went to get an antibody test rather than the nasal swab most recently and got marked as positive on this.

Everything I'm reading says this means past infection but I can't find anything that 100% clarifies this means there is definitely no active infection anymore. Anyone know if you can test positive for antibodies but still be infectious? I want him to get a regular nasal swab again just to put all doubt aside, but am hoping this means he can return to work soon.

My county isn't even recommending the antibody tests because we really don't know enough about what a result could mean in practical terms. Was the person symptomatic? They have to go 24hours without a fever (without taking fever reducing meds) and general symptom improvement AND at least 10 days since symptoms first appeared in order to be released from iso

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



DeadFatDuckFat posted:

My county isn't even recommending the antibody tests because we really don't know enough about what a result could mean in practical terms. Was the person symptomatic? They have to go 24hours without a fever (without taking fever reducing meds) and general symptom improvement AND at least 10 days since symptoms first appeared in order to be released from iso

Believe they were asymptomatic, we all had to take a test and he found out he was positive that way. This would've been about 3 weeks ago. But yeah, other than for people to donate plasma (and the fast turnaround of the blood tests compared to nasal ones) the antibody testing just seems to add confusion. He and the managers all thought this meant definite active infection still, until I got involved. Hopefully he'll have gone for the regular test and can get his all clear by end of week.

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
https://twitter.com/sfchronicle/status/1292879647345123329

Smash Mouth, spread the virus

Happy Hedonist
Jan 18, 2009


EL BROMANCE posted:

Believe they were asymptomatic, we all had to take a test and he found out he was positive that way. This would've been about 3 weeks ago. But yeah, other than for people to donate plasma (and the fast turnaround of the blood tests compared to nasal ones) the antibody testing just seems to add confusion. He and the managers all thought this meant definite active infection still, until I got involved. Hopefully he'll have gone for the regular test and can get his all clear by end of week.

That sucks. We need to do a better job educating people what vaccines are and what they do, but no one has found a way to make money doing it so here we are.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Mithaldu posted:

Just come to revision instead. The showers are in a truck, but clean, and the orga is mostly sane. :)

One of these days, my man. It'd be nice to attend a proper demo scene event again, where the scene wasn't an afterthought behind Counter-Strike GO Sponsored by Telia Esports.

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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EL BROMANCE posted:

Believe they were asymptomatic, we all had to take a test and he found out he was positive that way. This would've been about 3 weeks ago. But yeah, other than for people to donate plasma (and the fast turnaround of the blood tests compared to nasal ones) the antibody testing just seems to add confusion. He and the managers all thought this meant definite active infection still, until I got involved. Hopefully he'll have gone for the regular test and can get his all clear by end of week.

Yeah, if he was asymptomatic then the cdc guideline would just be 10 days of iso since the date the test was taken, so they should be ok. For some unclear reason, there are a few people that just continue to test positive after recovering also.

Kragger99
Mar 21, 2004
Pillbug

Hey now, you're an rear end in a top hat
Get your mask off, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star
Infect your fans, get paid
It’s just like a minor cold
How many dead bikers can the morgue hold?

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Kragger99 posted:

Hey now, you're an rear end in a top hat
Get your mask off, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star
Infect your fans, get paid
It’s just like a minor cold
How many dead bikers can the morgue hold?

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

boar guy posted:

i was thinking more like the 'stiff upper lip. keep calm and carry on' thing the brits did during the blitz

stoically weeping a single tear before getting back to it type of stuff

Dulce et decorum est pro Numeral mori.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

HerStuddMuffin posted:

That was the case here in France. The school year ended on March 13, and everything after that was just theater. We were left trying to organize distance learning on our own and it was a disaster. The national servers couldn’t handle the entire student body trying to log in at once, and nobody could connect for the first week or two. By the time the servers were buffed up to handle the load, a large minority of students had decided they were on summer vacation and never showed up again.

We were asked to do virtual classes but had no official tool to do it. Some teachers used zoom, others used WhatsApp. I sent my students regular emails but only through the school work environment. The director was very insistent that we call the students on their phones once a week, using our personal phones, but gently caress that. I flat out refused (don’t worry about me, this is France, I can’t be fired for it, in fact the law is on my side, it’s illegal for a teacher to use any means other than the official government ones to contact students without the parents written authorization.)

Some students turned in their assigned work every week until the end, but they were exceptional. Eventually, we had the simultaneous and contradictory orders to
1) put forward any and all work done during the lockdown period in favor of the students.
2) under no circumstances grade any student or penalize the ones who did jack poo poo.

In the end just about every student passed into the next grade level no matter how dismal their level, high school graduation rates are at an all time high and the students didn’t sit a single exam. It was a joke and nobody is fooled. School starts on September 1st and we are again left up poo poo creek without a paddle. The official plan, direct from our ministry, is that we’re gonna act as if the pandemic was over, but keeping in mind that a change of plans might be necessary. It’s all a loving joke.

i missed this in the scrolling, but holy poo poo, what a failure

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Smash Mouth wear the mask

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

Happy Hedonist posted:

That sucks. We need to do a better job educating people what vaccines are and what they do, but no one has found a way to make money doing it so here we are.

it's going to be a poo poo show, from the perception and outcry about "___" to the delivery method supply chain loving it up in comical ways

another slow-moving train coming at us while we stand there and watch

Mr. Meagles
Apr 30, 2004

Out here, everything hurts


I live in a very rural area in the midwest. Probably more rural than 99% of other goon posters. Going to the store is an expedition.

I went inside a gas station today for the first time since maybe early June. The convenience store has set up a sort of Hooverville casino with video poker and slot machines behind a plastic curtain. At least a dozen olds sitting on stools, maskless, in a gas station, behind a plastic curtain, gambling at 2pm on a Monday. It has to be the entire elderly population in 10 sq miles.

Chicken Butt
Oct 27, 2010

Tom Gorman posted:

I live in a very rural area in the midwest. Probably more rural than 99% of other goon posters. Going to the store is an expedition.

I went inside a gas station today for the first time since maybe early June. The convenience store has set up a sort of Hooverville casino with video poker and slot machines behind a plastic curtain. At least a dozen olds sitting on stools, maskless, in a gas station, behind a plastic curtain, gambling at 2pm on a Monday. It has to be the entire elderly population in 10 sq miles.

And liberals claim that America is no longer the Land of Opportunity. I salute these patriotic senior citizens!

Polio Vax Scene
Apr 5, 2009



Very accurate depiction of my drive through rural Montana, back in 2018. Stand-up casinos are more common than gas stations there, I swear.

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

Kragger99 posted:

Hey now, you're an rear end in a top hat
Get your mask off, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star
Infect your fans, get paid
It’s just like a minor cold
How many dead bikers can the morgue hold?

FlamingLiberal posted:

Smash Mouth wear the mask
lol

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

Yeah, if he was asymptomatic then the cdc guideline would just be 10 days of iso since the date the test was taken, so they should be ok. For some unclear reason, there are a few people that just continue to test positive after recovering also.
People just plain shed virus for a long time, though after a certain point it'll be all dead virus. Even the mild cases in this study are dropping 10k copies/mL plus a month after symptom onset, which is comically easy to detect with RT-PCR:

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poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



Anne Whateley posted:

I don't understand how you can look at uhhh everything and think one death will have any school district backpedaling.

One death in a vacuum does nothing but one death in the superintendent's orbit might be all it takes. These people won't understand the stakes until the statistic is someone they cared about.

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

poverty goat posted:

One death in a vacuum does nothing but one death in the superintendent's orbit might be all it takes. These people won't understand the stakes until the statistic is someone they cared about.

i think you just described the last 5 months of this pandemic succinctly

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Smash mouth is the Shrek music. Of course their gonna suck.

stump collector
May 28, 2007

dr_rat posted:

Smash mouth is the Shrek music. Of course their gonna suck.

Shreking any notion of responsibility

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

stump collector posted:

Shreking any notion of responsibility

don't be so ogrebearing

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice

Kragger99 posted:

Hey now, you're an rear end in a top hat
Get your mask off, go play
Hey now, you're a rock star
Infect your fans, get paid
It’s just like a minor cold
How many dead bikers can the morgue hold?

:captainpop:

Pyrtanis
Jun 30, 2007

The ghosts of our glories are gray-bearded guides
Fun Shoe
Smashmouth eat the plagues

Seriously though wtf, how was this allowed? ...oh right Sturgis

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Manager Hoyden
Mar 5, 2020

Honestly if you asked me to guess what music acts would be playing at a biker rally I wouldn't have put Smash Mouth at the top of that list

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