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Paid protesters is dumb speculation You need to look at who pays the salaries of protest org leaders and movement spokespeople.
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Aug 10, 2020 22:53
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animist posted:ya but you don't need a real large protest movement to manufacture the image of one in the international press the HK cops must be super weak then, if they're unable to stop a tiny contingent of american stooges from storming LegCo
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Aug 10, 2020 22:54
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Atrocious Joe posted:Paid protesters is dumb speculation of course, using hastily drawn financial links to asertain the true nature of protest movements is a foolproof method that works 100% of the time. for example, this is how we can tell that Black Lives Matter is actually controlled by the CIA and George Soros: Ford Foundation, a philanthropic facade for the CIA posted:
The Washington Times posted:
which is why the feds are totally justified in disappearing BLM protesters in unmarked vans, since the protests are operating on behalf of the Deep State that seeks to overthrow Trump
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Aug 10, 2020 23:17
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Aug 10, 2020 23:39
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Grapplejack posted:"If you don't like my CCP, then you ain't Chinese" -Xi Biden, On Revolutionary Statehood in Modern Times, July 9th, 2020. Revolution isn't a long car that you can drive down the main drag with you and your friends, it's a, y'know the thing. Aw I shouldn't say it.
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Aug 10, 2020 23:56
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Trying to ascertain how pure the protesters were in their heart of hearts is pointless when there was no real way for them to gain meaningful power in the first place.
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Aug 11, 2020 00:23
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I wouldn't be surprised the vast majority of the HK protestors, especially the front line kids, were all voluntary and didn't get paid a cent. Their gears were probably all paid for by NED though. Show me a protest in other countries that had remotely as nice gears. We now know Jimmy Lai was just fronting and he had no loving money with his company stock in the pennies. He definitely didn't pay for those. I also still believe the group of kids who showed up out of nowhere and cut down a bunch of light poles with surveillance cameras were coached by CIA, and for some reason they just disappeared 1 week later. That operation was just too organized compare to everything else the lihkg kids had done. And the narrative was just too perfect for the international press. The first few men in black who threw the gas bombs were a little fishy. But the mass number of fire bombs that were thrown in later months were definitely thrown by the yellow ribbon kids, "raptor slayer group" and what not. BUT! None of these details are important unless you are the kind who spent hours watching HK protest live streams. What's important is the fundamental gap between the HK cultural bubble and the mainland culture. I have yet to met a HKer (including tons of HK youtubers who think they know allllll about CCP) understand exactly when they crossed the "red line". What crossed the red line and made Xi the pooh bring down a garbage truck upon the HKers was staging a protest on Oct 1st, the 70th anniversary birthday of the People Republic of China. It is already 10 months past the parade and I still have not met a single HKer online who understand how important that celebration was to CCP and Xi. You know that national security law loophole has always been part of Basic Law. You should know the CCP had always had the power to use it. But Beijing didn't have to write the National Security Law to cover so wide an area, reaching people outside of HK, establishing an office so soon and start arresting people so soon. This could have played out with softer repurcussion in a different timeline.
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Aug 11, 2020 00:53
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https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/1292844686726574080
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Aug 11, 2020 01:01
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BabyFinland said on the latest You Can't Win, "It seems like the easiest way for the CIA to really isolate any sort of movement is to give them twenty bucks. Write up a receipt for it and then now they're all connected to the CIA, they're all CIA agents."
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Aug 11, 2020 01:23
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2020 01:39
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It was a mostly internal affair until the Beijing Liason Office defaced, that prolly is what truly crossed over the red line after storming of Legco
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Aug 11, 2020 01:45
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:of course, using hastily drawn financial links to asertain the true nature of protest movements is a foolproof method that works 100% of the time. for example, this is how we can tell that Black Lives Matter is actually controlled by the CIA and George Soros: Foundations and philanthropists donate to progressive causes in the West to try to control movement and prevent them from getting too radical. Many of the people writing grants asking for money from foundations know this, and think its a manageable risk. People complain about the non-profit industrial complex all the time, partly in that context. Ignoring these relationships or pretending that Trump speaks accurately about their nature is dumb. People in places like Hong Kong either know they're collaborating with the US when they take NED funds, or they're naive fools.
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Aug 11, 2020 01:48
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The decision to use National Congress to pass the National Security Law instead of Article 23 was probably when Carrie Lam said "the bill is dead" (July?). That was the only time she looked like she wanted to cry and quit. But IMO to make the new law so hursh was after the Oct 1st protest.
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Aug 11, 2020 01:54
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2020 03:29
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sincx posted:edit: took out some details just in case haha coward, just because I wasn't paying attention for years doesn't mean you can take away my constitution rights to forums drama like this!!!
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Aug 11, 2020 03:45
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sincx posted:You can argue over how much effect foreign interference had on the Hong Kong protests, but you'd be nuts to deny that foreign interference existed. No doubt there was foreign interference. I just question how significant it was and if it even matters. At this point the tendrils of empire run into any possible flashpoint. Is it really such a big deal to take aid when it's offered? There's no ethical protest under capitalism. And the crumbling U.S. diplomatic-intelligence complex is just a ramshackle mess of dueling agencies (as seen in Syria) at this point, so it's not as if they had a cohesive game plan in HK. What, they were going to back the rioters into winning and then march in greeted as liberators? Not even Pompeo believes in that.
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Aug 11, 2020 05:45
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this whole conversation reminds me of gradenko talking about duerte leaning into domestic chinagate criticisms of his foreign policy except the hong kong protest leaders werent just blowing smoke they would like physically go to the united states hang out with our ghouls and express support for bizarro extradition treaties with mainland china scratched out and the united states penciled in its more than a little ridiculous given that our own protest movements get labeled fifth columnists by supposedly leftist media if an rt journalist so much as makes reference to their existence
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Aug 11, 2020 07:19
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2020 07:45
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sincx posted:Good read: Use outline next time - much more readable: https://outline.com/juh2Rh
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Aug 11, 2020 07:52
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Aug 11, 2020 07:54
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The new hot poo poo is printfriendly https://www.printfriendly.com/p/g/VJpUwS
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Aug 11, 2020 07:58
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Some Guy TT posted:this whole conversation reminds me of gradenko talking about duerte leaning into domestic chinagate criticisms of his foreign policy except the hong kong protest leaders werent just blowing smoke they would like physically go to the united states hang out with our ghouls and express support for bizarro extradition treaties with mainland china scratched out and the united states penciled in something I do also want to throw out there is that when Duterte began attacking Rappler* and other media outlets critical of his administration, one of the lines of attack that was brought up was that these organizations had received funding from the NED:  ___ * Rappler is a media organization founded/funded by Pierre Omidyar, so similar to The Intercept, except they also do lots of general and on-the-ground reporting. It's currently headed by Maria Ressa, formerly of CNN, who is now currently defended herself from a bogus libel charge.
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Aug 11, 2020 08:12
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Maximo Roboto posted:No doubt there was foreign interference. I just question how significant it was and if it even matters. At this point the tendrils of empire run into any possible flashpoint. Is it really such a big deal to take aid when it's offered? There's no ethical protest under capitalism. And the crumbling U.S. diplomatic-intelligence complex is just a ramshackle mess of dueling agencies (as seen in Syria) at this point, so it's not as if they had a cohesive game plan in HK. What, they were going to back the rioters into winning and then march in greeted as liberators? Not even Pompeo believes in that. That's bullshit, the fact that the empire's plans occasionally fail doesn't mean that they are irrelevant. No, they probably didn't expect to get a US protectorate out the protests, though given some of their past overreaches that's less certain than you might think, but I'd say their realistic game plan was pretty clear: escalate things enough to create a bloodbath to make the PRC look bad. Unfortunately for them, the PRC is a little more experienced at dealing with these provocations these days, and comfortable middle class HKers are less inclined to martyr themselves than ambitious elite students who think they have a narrow window to overthrow socialism and make themselves oligarchs.
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Aug 11, 2020 08:32
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Obviously it didn't provoke the sort of response to turn the city into a full-scale uprising, but even a massacre of protesters couldn't have done that. The current state of the security law doesn't exactly make the PRC look good, and it makes One Country, Two Systems look pretty dead and certainly not encouraging to reunification voices in Taiwan.
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Aug 11, 2020 09:34
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https://twitter.com/rachelmercer/status/1292776567492542465?p=v
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Aug 11, 2020 12:30
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loving love typing in fat lines of code using a tiny phone digital keyboard
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Aug 11, 2020 12:46
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Is this "Room Salon" a SK code word for something terrible? I don't follow SK news.
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Aug 11, 2020 13:36
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its a kind of private room where you get expensive foreign liquor and hire hot girls to hang out with you and maybe sing karaoke im like ninety percent sure that rich american assholes do something similar we just dont really have a word for the kind of dedicated business establishment that offers this service
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Aug 11, 2020 13:43
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Some Guy TT posted:its a kind of private room where you get expensive foreign liquor and hire hot girls to hang out with you and maybe sing karaoke weird as hell
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Aug 11, 2020 13:45
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stephenthinkpad posted:Is this "Room Salon" a SK code word for something terrible? I don't follow SK news. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nth_room_case https://podbay.fm/podcast/1474001390/e/1586500759
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Aug 11, 2020 13:51
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i should also mention that the sexual assault investigation into the seoul mayor who killed himself last month also got started from sniffing around into suspicious expenses that were charged to a room salon basically anyone whos ever gone to one should really be having an are we the baddies moment
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Aug 11, 2020 13:52
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Some Guy TT posted:basically anyone whos ever gone to one should really be having an are we the baddies moment That would be like 9 out of 10 adult Korean men. Room Salons are a super common thing. The closest comparison I think you could make would be to a strip club or something, but just because they are places adult men go to drink and be gross (like, ogling) with women who are paid to give them attention, and are sometimes fronts for prostitution or other sketchy stuff.
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Aug 11, 2020 14:01
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i have never been to a strip club either plz stop depressing me with the creepy sex poo poo normal men like to do
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Aug 11, 2020 14:03
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Some Guy TT posted:im like ninety percent sure that rich american assholes do something similar we just dont really have a word for the kind of dedicated business establishment that offers this service
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Aug 11, 2020 14:03
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Some Guy TT posted:i have never been to a strip club either plz stop depressing me with the creepy sex poo poo normal men like to do If it makes you feel any better that creepy sex poo poo normal men like to do usually stops way before rape dungeons and poo poo. I think that's all a pretty big outlier. I hope, anyway.
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Aug 11, 2020 14:09
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Some Guy TT posted:i should also mention that the sexual assault investigation into the seoul mayor who killed himself last month also got started from sniffing around into suspicious expenses that were charged to a room salon Are you telling me Kiyru is a baddy
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Aug 11, 2020 14:11
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Some Guy TT posted:its a kind of private room where you get expensive foreign liquor and hire hot girls to hang out with you and maybe sing karaoke So it's the SK equivalent of the Japanese hostess club? Weird.
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Aug 11, 2020 18:11
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Aug 11, 2020 21:30
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stephenthinkpad posted:Well he just died early. Mao would have been a great man had he died 20 years earlier (last time I said this it triggered Typo of all people.) He was still a shitlord his whole life due to his treatment of women. Agreed that he would have been much less of a shitlord tho!
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Aug 11, 2020 21:56
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