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I've rented that place in both the Ozarks and the Adirondacks. I think its just the "vacation house you can rent out" kit, but someone really loved carpet.
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I used wago connectors when I was replacing some stuff and now I guess I have doomed my family.  I mean something else in this house the PO messed up will probably kill us first, but I shouldn't have added to the list.
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Renaissance Robot posted:You can't fool me, that shower unit is just a bathtub on its side! Son of a...
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Ashcans posted:I used wago connectors when I was replacing some stuff and now I guess I have doomed my family. I used a bunch of Wago style connectors fixing all the broken grounds in my house. Surely they are better than what the "electrician" did. (they used crimp ferrules, but without the proper crimp tool. So the crimps were all just falling apart after 5 years and every outlet was loosing ground. They also only left about half an inch of usable wire sticking out of the wall, so wire nuts where a no-go.)
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Here's a crappy construction tale: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-10/california-bullet-train-bridge-snafu quote:The bridge work began in 2016 and was supposed to be completed in 12 months. Relocation of underground utilities became a problem, as there were schedule glitches, according to rail authority and Madera County officials. Months turned into years, during which thousands of residents were forced to take long detours around the site.
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I'm glad he decided to use his amazing powers for the good of humanity.
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larson is now posting his comics online, the ban has been lifted 
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Ashcans posted:I used wago connectors when I was replacing some stuff and now I guess I have doomed my family. Is it specifically the wago connectors or any other connector of the same style that's a no go? Amusingly here in Sweden the electricians won't use the wire nuts but rely entirely on the wago style stuff. Our old kitchen was redone in the early 2000s by a non electrician that used wire nuts all over the place and our electrician just shook his head and sighed when he saw it.
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The Euro style lever-lock Wagos are actually pretty good, since they don't rely entirely on spring tension to hold the wire. The British "choco block" style connectors (look like industrial terminal strips) are the absolute king of wire connectors imo.
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Guy Axlerod posted:Man's gotta eat. Read my mind. Fuckin Bo-bandy.
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With that clipping, this may belong to crappy coding thread  Bathtubs love stairs  Bathtubs/Stairs slow burn, 500,000+ words   But not as much as toilets love kitchens   But is Bed here to break up their bliss?  
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I'm the dining room toilet.. Also the bath you can roll into from bed.
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Elviscat posted:The Euro style lever-lock Wagos are actually pretty good, since they don't rely entirely on spring tension to hold the wire. I mostly do Low Voltage stuff, and bought from some lighting company that sent Wago 221's with their Power Supplies. Now I buy boxes and boxes of'em. They're great because they don't gently caress up the wires, and I often have stuff that may get prototyped in the shop a bit before being sent to site. Or, I often have little scraps I use and re-use for demos where a full size plug would be in the way. With wire nuts, I'll have to eventually start clipping the wire shorter as it gets mangled.
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Darchangel posted:Son of a... ｂｉｔｃｈ
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This one is for sous vide cooking an entire pig
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Javid posted:
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CarForumPoster posted:You'd have to be one HELL of a goon for this to be a legit concern. How do you think the stairs cracked in the first place?
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Facebook Aunt posted:How do you think the stairs cracked in the first place? The oxidation combined with a relatively high unit cell volume of FeO2 to Fe-C alloys Nah it’s cause he fat
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Clayton Bigsby posted:Is it specifically the wago connectors or any other connector of the same style that's a no go? All evidence points to "whatever Americans do, it's better to not do". Not just in construction or electrics, but very much in construction.
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That goes back for quite a while too, wasn't the USA really behind on banning asbestos and lead based paint?
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By popular demand posted:That goes back for quite a while too, wasn't the USA really behind on banning asbestos and lead based paint? Seriouspost: They're 100% going to unban both within the next four years.
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Hell, just because America is the only country to figure out how much a life is worth in dollars doesn't mean you can be mad that its reflected in codes and practices. Cutting corners saves millions and only kills a few people. 
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Yea, and it's not like any of those are important people, so it's hardly worth noting.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Seriouspost: They're 100% going to unban both within the next four years. Welcome to two years ago. 
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CarForumPoster posted:You'd have to be one HELL of a goon for this to be a legit concern. That's called spalling, and will 100% lead to the destruction of the concrete over time. Speaking of: "nice high-rise bridge you built there to connect your large neighborhood to your downtown core. Be a shame if it failed after only 35 years" https://www.google.com/amp/s/sccinsight.com/2020/03/28/what-happened-to-the-west-seattle-bridge/%3famp I really feel like over the next few decades we're going to see some consequences from the boom of using post-tensioned concrete for every major civil engineering project, like it's one of those things that has amazing properties on paper as an engineered system, but if one small error is made in constructing it, it's doomed to fail. Like that horrible one-step insulation/stucco poo poo that got used on a bunch of timber framed houses, and just funneled water into the framing and rotted whole walls out.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Seriouspost: They're 100% going to unban both within the next four years. Asbestos was never banned in the US. It is banned for certain uses, and allowed for others. Same thing in Canada.
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More like AWORSTOS amirite?
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Phanatic posted:Asbestos was never banned in the US. It is banned for certain uses, and allowed for others. Same thing in Canada. Same with lead paint. It's still used in heavy industrial situations, especially as a bridge paint
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Phanatic posted:Asbestos was never banned in the US. It is banned for certain uses So? Soon, it won't be.
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Do you have anything to add to that weird one-line assertion? I doubt any companies are very interested in accepting the liabilities surrounding producing asbestos products that produce friable fibers, even if TSCA was lifted entirely.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:All evidence points to "whatever Americans do, it's better to not do". Not just in construction or electrics, but very much in construction. This thread and the OSHA thread have both revealed a bunch of trades that are done differently in America, the UK and Europe, and everyone insists they are doing it Correctly despite having maybe witnessed alternative techniques and standards once 20 years ago. With the exception of really obvious deficiencies (ring mains in the UK, US electrical plugs being unsafe (but compact)), there's rarely any data or science presented to to show why (for example) construction workers in Australia wearing shorts is an unacceptable risk compared to them wearing long pants in the US. It's fascinating watching people from around the world exchanging notes and being baffled to the point of incomprehension that someone would install a split AC instead of central AC in a home, and insist that it's impossible and no one sells them (or vice versa), despite google being a click away.
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I just googled Ring Mains and really wish I had not. Confirming that US plugs suck, tho
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That was a good post, I wanted to refute that statement but I would not have done it as well. I feel similarly when people insist that homes aren't built as well now as they used to be. And perhaps they aren't, but I've lived in houses from the 1900s to the 1980s and am in construction now, things are made by people and there are quality issues with all of them. At least new houses are designed for modern wardrobes, have enough outlets, and are free from the hazards we know about like asbestos and lead paint. I know I'm comparing quality with code, but code is the only one I have a comparison for. Not sure how to measure the decline of craftsmanship over time.
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The length of the punchlist when the project is "done"
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Elviscat posted:That's called spalling, and will 100% lead to the destruction of the concrete over time. They seem to be uses a lot in slab foundations with plumbing underneath. I honestly don't understand how you're supposed to replace the plumbing without razing the building.
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Slanderer posted:This thread and the OSHA thread have both revealed a bunch of trades that are done differently in America, the UK and Europe, and everyone insists they are doing it Correctly despite having maybe witnessed alternative techniques and standards once 20 years ago. With the exception of really obvious deficiencies (ring mains in the UK, US electrical plugs being unsafe (but compact)), there's rarely any data or science presented to to show why (for example) construction workers in Australia wearing shorts is an unacceptable risk compared to them wearing long pants in the US. It's fascinating watching people from around the world exchanging notes and being baffled to the point of incomprehension that someone would install a split AC instead of central AC in a home, and insist that it's impossible and no one sells them (or vice versa), despite google being a click away. The pants vs shorts thing is because on a construction site (or in a factory) is because you're working with sharp materials that can cut through skin easily, as well as stuff that you don't want making skin contact. If you're wearing long pants, you're usually wearing denim jeans, which are sturdy enough to provide a good layer of protection; shorts mean bare skin from the knee to the socks. Being able to cope with the heat better isn't worth the risk.
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